paizo.com Recent Posts in Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower Tillerpaizo.com Recent Posts in Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower Tiller2014-07-14T17:00:03Z2014-07-14T17:00:03ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerGlen Irvinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#122014-10-18T08:40:26Z2014-10-18T08:40:26Z<p>Rorimac Tosscobble made his debut in Slave Ships of Absalom.</p>
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<p>I enjoyed playing this character in spite of myself. I still don't like the upcoming feat tax for his prestige class, but I think I like playing Rorimac Tosscobble.</p>Rorimac Tosscobble made his debut in Slave Ships of Absalom.
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I enjoyed playing this character in spite of myself. I still don't like the upcoming feat tax for his prestige class, but I think I like playing Rorimac Tosscobble.Glen Irving2014-10-18T08:40:26ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerGlen Irvinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#112014-07-16T22:00:47Z2014-07-16T22:00:47Z<p>@pH Yes, that is my evil plan</p>
<p>@Derwalt, @EvilPaladin I shall note these suggestions, thanks. But as you say, the feats are no use unless someone has them as well!</p>@pH Yes, that is my evil plan
@Derwalt, @EvilPaladin I shall note these suggestions, thanks. But as you say, the feats are no use unless someone has them as well!Glen Irving2014-07-16T22:00:47ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerEvilPaladin (alias of ArmouredMonk13)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#102014-07-14T23:38:28Z2014-07-14T23:38:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Glen Irving wrote:</div><blockquote>Teamwork feats are so bloody useless I can't believe that one person would willingly take them, let alone two people in a team. Sweet Desna, I have to waste my pitiful number of feat slots on useless teamwork feats!</blockquote><p>Actually, there are some that are quite useful, such as Outflank, Precise Strike, and Escape Route. My Inquisitor has used these to save his life in PFS before [the latter more than the formers in the dept. of life-saving]. Of course, they suck if you aren't playing with the same people each time and/or aren't an Inquisitor/Cavalier/Etc.Glen Irving wrote:Teamwork feats are so bloody useless I can't believe that one person would willingly take them, let alone two people in a team. Sweet Desna, I have to waste my pitiful number of feat slots on useless teamwork feats!
Actually, there are some that are quite useful, such as Outflank, Precise Strike, and Escape Route. My Inquisitor has used these to save his life in PFS before [the latter more than the formers in the dept. of life-saving]. Of course, they suck if you aren't...EvilPaladin (alias of ArmouredMonk13)2014-07-14T23:38:28ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerDerwalthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#92014-07-14T11:50:04Z2014-07-14T11:50:04Z<p>For a rogue the teamwork feat "Outflank" might not be too bad - you just need to pair up with someone and convince them to take it too...</p>For a rogue the teamwork feat "Outflank" might not be too bad - you just need to pair up with someone and convince them to take it too...Derwalt2014-07-14T11:50:04ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerpH unbalancedhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#82014-07-14T11:54:27Z2014-07-14T11:43:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Glen Irving wrote:</div><blockquote> He's got to be some use in combat at level 1, so Weapon Finesse instead of Skill Focus (Sleight of Hand). He's not really a filcher until 4th level anyway </blockquote><p>Are you sure you can't hold out until Level 2 and pick it up as a Rogue Talent? (Finesse Rogue)
<p>The best way to manage your small number of feats is to leverage as many of them into Rogue Talents as possible.</p>
<p>EDIT: Or you can always cheat and use Weapon Finesse the feat at 1st level, and then use your rebuild to replace it with something else before you play your first game at level 2, thus taking Finesse Rogue.</p>Glen Irving wrote:He's got to be some use in combat at level 1, so Weapon Finesse instead of Skill Focus (Sleight of Hand). He's not really a filcher until 4th level anyway
Are you sure you can't hold out until Level 2 and pick it up as a Rogue Talent? (Finesse Rogue) The best way to manage your small number of feats is to leverage as many of them into Rogue Talents as possible.
EDIT: Or you can always cheat and use Weapon Finesse the feat at 1st level, and then use your rebuild to replace...pH unbalanced2014-07-14T11:43:49ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerGlen Irvinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#72014-07-14T09:12:02Z2014-07-14T09:12:02Z<p>Bellflower Tiller pre-requisites:
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Alignment: Chaotic good
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Feats: Any two teamwork feats
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Skills: Disguise 5 ranks, Knowledge (local) 3 ranks, Stealth 5 ranks, Survival 5 ranks
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Special: Sneak attack +2d6</p>
<p>Teamwork feats are so bloody useless I can't believe that one person would willingly take them, let alone two people in a team. Sweet Desna, I have to waste my pitiful number of feat slots on useless teamwork feats!</p>Bellflower Tiller pre-requisites:
Alignment: Chaotic good
Feats: Any two teamwork feats
Skills: Disguise 5 ranks, Knowledge (local) 3 ranks, Stealth 5 ranks, Survival 5 ranks
Special: Sneak attack +2d6
Teamwork feats are so bloody useless I can't believe that one person would willingly take them, let alone two people in a team. Sweet Desna, I have to waste my pitiful number of feat slots on useless teamwork feats!Glen Irving2014-07-14T09:12:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerGlen Irvinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#62014-07-14T09:08:28Z2014-07-14T09:08:28Z<p>He's got to be some use in combat at level 1, so Weapon Finesse instead of Skill Focus (Sleight of Hand). He's not really a filcher until 4th level anyway</p>
<p>Rorimac Tosscobble
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Male Halfling Rogue (Filcher) 1
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CG Small humanoid (halfling)
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Init +3; Senses Perception +7
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Defense
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AC 16, touch 14, flat-footed 13 (+2 armor, +3 Dex, +1 size)
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hp 11 (1d8+3)
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Fort +3, Ref +6, Will +2; +2 vs. fear
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Offense
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Speed 20 ft.
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Melee dagger +4 (1d3/19-20) and
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rapier +4 (1d4/18-20) and
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sap +4 (1d4 nonlethal)
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Ranged shortbow +4 (1d4/×3)
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Special Attacks sneak attack +1d6
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Statistics
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Str 10, Dex 17, Con 14, Int 13, Wis 12, Cha 13
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Base Atk +0; CMB -1; CMD 12
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Feats Weapon Finesse
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Traits blessed, child of the streets
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Skills Acrobatics +5 (+1 jump), Appraise +5, Climb +2, Diplomacy +5, Disable Device +8, Escape Artist +7, Knowledge (local) +5, Perception +7 (+8 to locate traps), Sleight of Hand +8, Stealth +11, Use Magic Device +5; Racial Modifiers +2 Acrobatics, +2 Climb, +2 Perception
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Languages Common, Halfling, Tien
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SQ trapfinding +1
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Combat Gear acid; Other Gear leather armor, arrows (20), dagger, rapier, sap, shortbow, backpack, belt pouch, candle (2), chalk, fishhook (2), flint and steel, sewing needle, signal whistle, string or twine, sunrod, thieves' tools, thread (50 ft.), tindertwig (4), donkey, blowgun, hammer, hooded lantern, mug/tankard, oil, pack saddle, piton, rope (50 ft.), sack, sack, torch, trail rations, waterskin, whetstone, 4 gp
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Special Abilities
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Blessed (1/day) +1 to all saving throws
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Fearless +2 racial bonus vs Fear saves.
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Sneak Attack +1d6 Attacks deal extra dam if flank foe or if foe is flat-footed.
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Trapfinding +1 Gain a bonus to find or disable traps, including magical ones.</p>He's got to be some use in combat at level 1, so Weapon Finesse instead of Skill Focus (Sleight of Hand). He's not really a filcher until 4th level anyway
Rorimac Tosscobble
Male Halfling Rogue (Filcher) 1
CG Small humanoid (halfling)
Init +3; Senses Perception +7
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Defense
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AC 16, touch 14, flat-footed 13 (+2 armor, +3 Dex, +1 size)
hp 11 (1d8+3)
Fort +3, Ref +6, Will +2; +2 vs. fear
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Offense
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Speed 20 ft.
Melee...Glen Irving2014-07-14T09:08:28ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerPhosphorushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#52014-07-13T23:35:06Z2014-07-13T23:35:06Z<p>I look forward to <s>killing</s>, er, meeting him!</p>I look forward to killing, er, meeting him!Phosphorus2014-07-13T23:35:06ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerGlen Irvinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#42014-07-13T21:10:48Z2014-07-13T21:10:48Z<p>Keep your dangling items secure or watch out, because Rorimac is about!</p>
<p><b>Rorimac Tosscobble</b>
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Male Halfling Rogue (Filcher) 1
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CG Small humanoid (halfling)
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Init +3; Senses Perception +7
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Defense
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AC 16, touch 14, flat-footed 13 (+2 armor, +3 Dex, +1 size)
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hp 11 (1d8+3)
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Fort +3, Ref +6, Will +2; +2 vs. fear
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Offense
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Speed 20 ft.
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Melee dagger +1 (1d3/19-20)
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Ranged shortbow +4 (1d4/×3)
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Special Attacks sneak attack +1d6
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Statistics
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Str 10, Dex 17, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 14
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Base Atk +0; CMB -1; CMD 12
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Feats Skill Focus (Sleight of Hand)
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Traits blessed, child of the streets
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Skills Acrobatics +5 (+1 jump), Appraise +5, Climb +2, Diplomacy +6, Disable Device +8, Escape Artist +7, Knowledge (local) +5, Perception +7 (+8 to locate traps), Sleight of Hand +11, Stealth +11, Use Magic Device +6; Racial Modifiers +2 Acrobatics, +2 Climb, +2 Perception
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Languages Common, Halfling, Tien
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SQ trapfinding +1
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Other Gear leather armor, arrows (20), dagger, shortbow, backpack, belt pouch, candle (2), chalk, fishhook (2), flint and steel, sewing needle, signal whistle, string or twine, thieves' tools, thread (50 ft.), tindertwig (4), trail rations (7), donkey, hammer, hooded lantern, mug/tankard, oil, pack saddle, piton, rope (50 ft.), sack, sack, torch, waterskin, whetstone, 39 gp
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Special Abilities
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Blessed (1/day) +1 to all saving throws
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Fearless +2 racial bonus vs Fear saves.
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Sneak Attack +1d6 Attacks deal extra dam if flank foe or if foe is flat-footed.
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Trapfinding +1 Gain a bonus to find or disable traps, including magical ones.</p>Keep your dangling items secure or watch out, because Rorimac is about!
Rorimac Tosscobble
Male Halfling Rogue (Filcher) 1
CG Small humanoid (halfling)
Init +3; Senses Perception +7
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Defense
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AC 16, touch 14, flat-footed 13 (+2 armor, +3 Dex, +1 size)
hp 11 (1d8+3)
Fort +3, Ref +6, Will +2; +2 vs. fear
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Offense
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Speed 20 ft.
Melee dagger +1 (1d3/19-20)
Ranged shortbow +4 (1d4/×3)
Special Attacks sneak attack +1d6...Glen Irving2014-07-13T21:10:48ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerPhosphorushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#32014-07-13T12:45:46Z2014-07-13T12:45:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Glen Irving wrote:</div><blockquote></p>
<p>I rolled the Halfling Rogue (Filcher) archetype to Bellflower Tiller.</p>
<p>I don't like playing halflings. I have never played a halfling. I'm still not sure what's wrong with the filcher archetype. </blockquote><p>1. It is a rogue.
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2. It is a rogue.
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3. See number one.
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4. It sounds hilarious, you filcher!
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5. You give up evasion & uncanny dodge, two of the best rogue features.
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6. Don't forget that part of the challenge is to make use of the theme of the archetype in play...</p>
<p>Besides it doesn't really need to be that bad... The Bellflower Tiller makes up for it.</p>
<p>PS Small races are great! We need more halflings at Auckland PFS. My halfling is lonely...</p>
<p>PPS Giggle, snigger</p>
<p>PPPS If you want to feel better look at how bad a True Primitive Barbarian Gnome is...</p>Glen Irving wrote:I rolled the Halfling Rogue (Filcher) archetype to Bellflower Tiller.
I don't like playing halflings. I have never played a halfling. I'm still not sure what's wrong with the filcher archetype.
1. It is a rogue.
2. It is a rogue.
3. See number one.
4. It sounds hilarious, you filcher!
5. You give up evasion & uncanny dodge, two of the best rogue features.
6. Don't forget that part of the challenge is to make use of the theme of the archetype in play...Besides it doesn't...Phosphorus2014-07-13T12:45:46ZRe: Forums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerChris Sharpehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#22014-07-13T16:37:06Z2014-07-13T11:16:48Z<p>You don't like Halflings? How can you call yourself a kiwi Glen?</p>
<p>It's okay, I must admit I'm the same when it comes to halfings, and as for your filcher I hope you stick with the theme and try to steal things left and right.</p>
<p>I'll also enjoy the moment you get fireballed, and when someone says "Oh but the Rogue takes 0 because he passed his reflex save" and people will wonder why you're still upset.</p>You don't like Halflings? How can you call yourself a kiwi Glen?
It's okay, I must admit I'm the same when it comes to halfings, and as for your filcher I hope you stick with the theme and try to steal things left and right.
I'll also enjoy the moment you get fireballed, and when someone says "Oh but the Rogue takes 0 because he passed his reflex save" and people will wonder why you're still upset.Chris Sharpe2014-07-13T11:16:48ZForums: Advice: Halfling, Rogue (Filcher) to Bellflower TillerGlen Irvinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r9e5?Halfling-Rogue-to-Bellflower-Tiller#12014-07-14T17:00:03Z2014-07-13T10:32:00Z<p>I put my name forward to make characters using the worst archetypes and classes possible, see <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r69r&page=3?A-Challenge-Worst-archetypes-ever-for-a-PFS#138" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a> for the list of candidates.</p>
<p>Here I shall record my thoughts for posterity. I have no doubt this thread is no more interesting than ant tracks in the dirt. I also know Phosphorus giggles and sniggers at our hapless attempts to survive this crazy idea. </p>
<p>I rolled the Halfling Rogue (Filcher) archetype to Bellflower Tiller.</p>
<p>I don't like playing halflings. I have never played a halfling. I'm still not sure what's wrong with the filcher archetype.</p>
<p>The Bellflower Tiller prestige class, that looks damn terrible. I'm going to waste 18 play slots on this?</p>
<p>Stay tuned for the stat-up of the character!</p>I put my name forward to make characters using the worst archetypes and classes possible, see here for the list of candidates.
Here I shall record my thoughts for posterity. I have no doubt this thread is no more interesting than ant tracks in the dirt. I also know Phosphorus giggles and sniggers at our hapless attempts to survive this crazy idea.
I rolled the Halfling Rogue (Filcher) archetype to Bellflower Tiller.
I don't like playing halflings. I have never played a halfling. I'm still...Glen Irving2014-07-13T10:32:00Z