paizo.com Recent Posts in Paragon Surge FAQpaizo.com Recent Posts in Paragon Surge FAQ2014-07-26T16:28:38Z2014-07-26T16:28:38ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQK177Y C47 (alias of Noireve)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2822014-07-30T17:15:12Z2014-07-30T17:15:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Marcus Robert Hosler wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote> I don't really have want them nerfed, but I do want Simulacrum fixed. </blockquote>How is it broken? Several folks from Paizo have commented on it being the GM's job to determine exactly what the copy gets. </blockquote>Just to be clear it is not broken in the sense of being OP necessarily, but broken in the sense that it does not work all that well if every GM might give you a different answer. That is the broken I meant for this. </blockquote>I can't guarantee you that my hypothetical blog is going to limit it down to an exact formula (well, I can't even guarantee the blog itself, but you know what I mean) since monsters can sometimes be all over the place with how they do what they do, so an exact formula may be impossible. </blockquote><p>You could have simulacrum subject to the same restrictions as summoned monsters and half the CL of all abilities.
<p>That would prevent things like free wishes and lantern archon postal services. </blockquote><p>Actually... reducing CL would do squat the Sno-Cone Wish Factory... altering whether they get SLAs or not would... but then you run into the issue of 'Well when would htey get it?" Because a lot of SLAs are intrinsic to the creature simply BEING what it is (like Aasimars have Daylight for simply BEING an aasimar).Marcus Robert Hosler wrote:Mark Seifter wrote: wraithstrike wrote: Buri wrote: wraithstrike wrote: I don't really have want them nerfed, but I do want Simulacrum fixed.
How is it broken? Several folks from Paizo have commented on it being the GM's job to determine exactly what the copy gets. Just to be clear it is not broken in the sense of being OP necessarily, but broken in the sense that it does not work all that well if every GM might give you a different answer. That is the broken I...K177Y C47 (alias of Noireve)2014-07-30T17:15:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQTriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2812014-07-26T15:32:33Z2014-07-26T15:32:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote>Why are you glad you abstained? </blockquote><p>Because this ruling means squat to me thanks to that.andreww wrote:Why are you glad you abstained?
Because this ruling means squat to me thanks to that.TriOmegaZero2014-07-26T15:32:33ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQandrewwhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2792014-07-16T21:03:03Z2014-07-16T21:03:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TriOmegaZero wrote:</div><blockquote> Well I'm glad I abstained from Paragon Surge with my Life Oracle. Not that it matters now that she is two scenarios from retirement. </blockquote><p>Why are you glad you abstained? It is still an excellent spell and was far from game breaking, especially in PFS, prior to the FAQ. It provided an enormous amount of flexibility yes, especially for a class with a limited list of spells known, but was hardly a massive increase in actual character power.
<p>In PFS in particular it was far harder to take advantage of the various downtime options it opened up as you don't really get much downtime and your spells don't persist between scenarios. </p>
<p>Personally I am still using it on my Lore Oracle. It was extremely helpful in grabbing Magic Circle versus Evil for the first encounter in [Spoiler omitted].</p>TriOmegaZero wrote:Well I'm glad I abstained from Paragon Surge with my Life Oracle. Not that it matters now that she is two scenarios from retirement.
Why are you glad you abstained? It is still an excellent spell and was far from game breaking, especially in PFS, prior to the FAQ. It provided an enormous amount of flexibility yes, especially for a class with a limited list of spells known, but was hardly a massive increase in actual character power. In PFS in particular it was far harder...andreww2014-07-16T21:03:03ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQTriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2782014-07-16T19:58:49Z2014-07-16T19:58:49Z<p>Well I'm glad I abstained from Paragon Surge with my Life Oracle. Not that it matters now that she is two scenarios from retirement.</p>Well I'm glad I abstained from Paragon Surge with my Life Oracle. Not that it matters now that she is two scenarios from retirement.TriOmegaZero2014-07-16T19:58:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQChromnoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2772014-07-16T19:45:19Z2014-07-16T19:45:19Z<p>Overall, I like this errata, it reduces potential abuse, while still making Paragon surge a very useful utility to an otherwise focused oracle. Now you can get raise dead, or water breathing in those must have situations, but you're not competing with the wizard or cleric when it comes to overall options. Elegantly done.</p>Overall, I like this errata, it reduces potential abuse, while still making Paragon surge a very useful utility to an otherwise focused oracle. Now you can get raise dead, or water breathing in those must have situations, but you're not competing with the wizard or cleric when it comes to overall options. Elegantly done.Chromnos2014-07-16T19:45:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQChris Lambertzhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2762014-07-15T17:58:41Z2014-07-15T17:58:41Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Removed a post. Don't refer to other posters as "trolls."</span></p>Removed a post. Don't refer to other posters as "trolls."Chris Lambertz2014-07-15T17:58:41ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQTorbynehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2752014-07-14T22:21:52Z2014-07-14T22:21:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>Or you just use Wish or Miracle to cast it in a single round. Much easier, much more RAW. Though personally, I believe that as long as you start casting the spell the blood money components are for in the same round that components are being "used". Because you know... they are. </blockquote><p>I tend to the view that material components are the same as any other spell components and that you therefore have to have access to them for the entire cast in the same way that somatic or verbal components are used throughout. That makes the components used up at the end of the spell and handily removes blood money as a concern for simulacrum.
<p>I do however have a sneaking feeling that there was a FAQ or dev comment on this a while back which said they were used up in the first round of casting. </p>
<p>Even if blood money cannot be used for simulacrum it is still out of whack. 7500gp for 15HD colossal tarrasque cavalry is just madness. </blockquote><p>Madness?! THIS IS THE OBLIGITORY SPARTA JOKE!andreww wrote:Anzyr wrote:Or you just use Wish or Miracle to cast it in a single round. Much easier, much more RAW. Though personally, I believe that as long as you start casting the spell the blood money components are for in the same round that components are being "used". Because you know... they are.
I tend to the view that material components are the same as any other spell components and that you therefore have to have access to them for the entire cast in the same way that somatic or...Torbyne2014-07-14T22:21:52ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQMarcus Robert Hoslerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2742014-07-14T22:16:10Z2014-07-14T22:16:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote> I don't really have want them nerfed, but I do want Simulacrum fixed. </blockquote>How is it broken? Several folks from Paizo have commented on it being the GM's job to determine exactly what the copy gets. </blockquote>Just to be clear it is not broken in the sense of being OP necessarily, but broken in the sense that it does not work all that well if every GM might give you a different answer. That is the broken I meant for this. </blockquote>I can't guarantee you that my hypothetical blog is going to limit it down to an exact formula (well, I can't even guarantee the blog itself, but you know what I mean) since monsters can sometimes be all over the place with how they do what they do, so an exact formula may be impossible. </blockquote><p>You could have simulacrum subject to the same restrictions as summoned monsters and half the CL of all abilities.
<p>That would prevent things like free wishes and lantern archon postal services.</p>Mark Seifter wrote:wraithstrike wrote: Buri wrote: wraithstrike wrote: I don't really have want them nerfed, but I do want Simulacrum fixed.
How is it broken? Several folks from Paizo have commented on it being the GM's job to determine exactly what the copy gets. Just to be clear it is not broken in the sense of being OP necessarily, but broken in the sense that it does not work all that well if every GM might give you a different answer. That is the broken I meant for this. I can't...Marcus Robert Hosler2014-07-14T22:16:10ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQandrewwhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2732014-07-14T22:09:09Z2014-07-14T22:09:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>Or you just use Wish or Miracle to cast it in a single round. Much easier, much more RAW. Though personally, I believe that as long as you start casting the spell the blood money components are for in the same round that components are being "used". Because you know... they are. </blockquote><p>I tend to the view that material components are the same as any other spell components and that you therefore have to have access to them for the entire cast in the same way that somatic or verbal components are used throughout. That makes the components used up at the end of the spell and handily removes blood money as a concern for simulacrum.
<p>I do however have a sneaking feeling that there was a FAQ or dev comment on this a while back which said they were used up in the first round of casting. </p>
<p>Even if blood money cannot be used for simulacrum it is still out of whack. 7500gp for 15HD colossal tarrasque cavalry is just madness.</p>Anzyr wrote:Or you just use Wish or Miracle to cast it in a single round. Much easier, much more RAW. Though personally, I believe that as long as you start casting the spell the blood money components are for in the same round that components are being "used". Because you know... they are.
I tend to the view that material components are the same as any other spell components and that you therefore have to have access to them for the entire cast in the same way that somatic or verbal...andreww2014-07-14T22:09:09ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQAnzyrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2722014-07-14T22:06:07Z2014-07-14T22:06:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DrDeth wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DrDeth wrote:</div><blockquote><p>It takes a very stretched spellcaster to cast 7500gps Blood money. </p>
<p>But we all agree Simulacrum is poorly worded, even the devs agree. There's a FAQ thread on this you know </blockquote><p>15 strength damage is nothing at level 13. Even if you start with a 7 Monstrous Physique III and Bulls Strength take that to 17. Just have your friendly local cleric hit you with restoration after you have cast it to clear the lot at once for 100gp or nothing if they have False Focus.
<p>Alternatively you are level 13. Just magic jar into an Ogre with its base strength of 21. Its not as if an ogre is actually capable of doing anything to you at this level. </blockquote>Umm, Simulacrum has a casting time of 12 hours, and Blood money must be used within one round. </blockquote>Yep, at which point you get into an argument about whether or not material components are used up at the start of the cast, during the whole period, or at the end. Really the whole thing is just a horrible mess and could do with being set on fire and rebuilt or, in the case of blood money, returned to the npc only plot device special effect it was originally created to be. </blockquote><p>Or you just use Wish or Miracle to cast it in a single round. Much easier, much more RAW. Though personally, I believe that as long as you start casting the spell the blood money components are for in the same round that components are being "used". Because you know... they are.andreww wrote:DrDeth wrote: andreww wrote: DrDeth wrote:It takes a very stretched spellcaster to cast 7500gps Blood money.
But we all agree Simulacrum is poorly worded, even the devs agree. There's a FAQ thread on this you know
15 strength damage is nothing at level 13. Even if you start with a 7 Monstrous Physique III and Bulls Strength take that to 17. Just have your friendly local cleric hit you with restoration after you have cast it to clear the lot at once for 100gp or nothing if they...Anzyr2014-07-14T22:06:07ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQandrewwhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2712014-07-14T22:06:00Z2014-07-14T22:06:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DrDeth wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>Or you know they just do it while magic jarred into an ogre and don't take any damage at all. </blockquote>Which, in effect makes you "immune from Strength Damage", no? </blockquote><p>No, it just means that the ogre takes it. Assuming the "you" when you magic jar is the ogre which would seem t make sense given it is his blood you are spilling.DrDeth wrote:andreww wrote:Or you know they just do it while magic jarred into an ogre and don't take any damage at all.
Which, in effect makes you "immune from Strength Damage", no? No, it just means that the ogre takes it. Assuming the "you" when you magic jar is the ogre which would seem t make sense given it is his blood you are spilling.andreww2014-07-14T22:06:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQandrewwhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2702014-07-14T22:04:49Z2014-07-14T22:04:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DrDeth wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote> If you can't find a summon on your list with Restoration, or your party cleric can't be trusted, I think you have bigger problems. I absolutely have ways to mitigate the 50 STR damage I take when I cast free Wishes, </blockquote>Doe your DM really allow you to get Unlimited Free wishes from Blood Money? If so, <i>I think you have bigger problems</i> than I. </blockquote><p>To be honest, the one thing that tends to get overlooked in these discussions is actually whether or not making this available has all that much effect on the game. Look at what wish can do for you:
<p>1. Travel - cool, the group can already do this with teleport or plane shift. </p>
<p>2. Return life - check, the group already has access to raise dead and isn't far off resurrection if it really needs it.</p>
<p>3. Duplicate other arcane spells up to level 8 or divine to level 6 - powerful but you aren't likely to be having your efreeti follow you around to have it occur during combat. You might get access to something a bit earlier than normal but really it isn't much you cannot already achieve with scrolls if you must. You already have access to the cleric list through the groups cleric/druid. </p>
<p>4. Undo harmful effects - you mean the sorts of things we can already fix with Heal. Ok, not sure why we need a genie for this. </p>
<p>5. Inherent bonuses - OK this is pretty much the only thing which you do not easily have access to given the cost of tomes and manuals. But is giving everyone +4 to their stats such a hugely distorting effect? It is powerful surely and probably worth treating the group as a level or so higher in terms of what they can face but the effect on their primary stats is something they are liable to get later in ther careers in any event. It is actually of greater benefit to our martial friends and they are far more MAD than the wizard. </p>
<p>Now of course you can choose to go for greater effects than this but that opens you up to the entire world of genie wish twisting madness which no vaguely sane person would want. </p>
<p>In short while this is a very powerful tactic I think people probably overestimate how effective it is because they overvalue what wish is actually capable of doing and assume it can do anything without consequence.</p>DrDeth wrote:Anzyr wrote: If you can't find a summon on your list with Restoration, or your party cleric can't be trusted, I think you have bigger problems. I absolutely have ways to mitigate the 50 STR damage I take when I cast free Wishes,
Doe your DM really allow you to get Unlimited Free wishes from Blood Money? If so, I think you have bigger problems than I. To be honest, the one thing that tends to get overlooked in these discussions is actually whether or not making this available has...andreww2014-07-14T22:04:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQDrDethhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2682014-07-14T21:56:35Z2014-07-14T21:56:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>Or you know they just do it while magic jarred into an ogre and don't take any damage at all. </blockquote><p>Which, in effect makes you "immune from Strength Damage", no?andreww wrote:Or you know they just do it while magic jarred into an ogre and don't take any damage at all.
Which, in effect makes you "immune from Strength Damage", no?DrDeth2014-07-14T21:56:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQandrewwhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2672014-07-14T21:55:49Z2014-07-14T21:55:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DrDeth wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DrDeth wrote:</div><blockquote><p>It takes a very stretched spellcaster to cast 7500gps Blood money. </p>
<p>But we all agree Simulacrum is poorly worded, even the devs agree. There's a FAQ thread on this you know </blockquote><p>15 strength damage is nothing at level 13. Even if you start with a 7 Monstrous Physique III and Bulls Strength take that to 17. Just have your friendly local cleric hit you with restoration after you have cast it to clear the lot at once for 100gp or nothing if they have False Focus.
<p>Alternatively you are level 13. Just magic jar into an Ogre with its base strength of 21. Its not as if an ogre is actually capable of doing anything to you at this level. </blockquote>Umm, Simulacrum has a casting time of 12 hours, and Blood money must be used within one round. </blockquote><p>Yep, at which point you get into an argument about whether or not material components are used up at the start of the cast, during the whole period, or at the end. Really the whole thing is just a horrible mess and could do with being set on fire and rebuilt or, in the case of blood money, returned to the npc only plot device special effect it was originally created to be.DrDeth wrote:andreww wrote: DrDeth wrote:It takes a very stretched spellcaster to cast 7500gps Blood money.
But we all agree Simulacrum is poorly worded, even the devs agree. There's a FAQ thread on this you know
15 strength damage is nothing at level 13. Even if you start with a 7 Monstrous Physique III and Bulls Strength take that to 17. Just have your friendly local cleric hit you with restoration after you have cast it to clear the lot at once for 100gp or nothing if they have False...andreww2014-07-14T21:55:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQDrDethhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2662014-07-14T22:19:11Z2014-07-14T21:55:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote> If you can't find a summon on your list with Restoration, or your party cleric can't be trusted, I think you have bigger problems. I absolutely have ways to mitigate the 50 STR damage I take when I cast free Wishes, </blockquote><p>Doe your DM really allow you to get Unlimited Free wishes from Blood Money? If so, <i>I think you have bigger problems</i> than I.Anzyr wrote:If you can't find a summon on your list with Restoration, or your party cleric can't be trusted, I think you have bigger problems. I absolutely have ways to mitigate the 50 STR damage I take when I cast free Wishes,
Doe your DM really allow you to get Unlimited Free wishes from Blood Money? If so, I think you have bigger problems than I.DrDeth2014-07-14T21:55:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQDrDethhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2652014-07-14T21:52:38Z2014-07-14T21:52:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DrDeth wrote:</div><blockquote><p>It takes a very stretched spellcaster to cast 7500gps Blood money. </p>
<p>But we all agree Simulacrum is poorly worded, even the devs agree. There's a FAQ thread on this you know </blockquote><p>15 strength damage is nothing at level 13. Even if you start with a 7 Monstrous Physique III and Bulls Strength take that to 17. Just have your friendly local cleric hit you with restoration after you have cast it to clear the lot at once for 100gp or nothing if they have False Focus.
<p>Alternatively you are level 13. Just magic jar into an Ogre with its base strength of 21. Its not as if an ogre is actually capable of doing anything to you at this level. </blockquote><p>Umm, Simulacrum has a casting time of 12 hours, and Blood money must be used within one round.andreww wrote:DrDeth wrote:It takes a very stretched spellcaster to cast 7500gps Blood money.
But we all agree Simulacrum is poorly worded, even the devs agree. There's a FAQ thread on this you know
15 strength damage is nothing at level 13. Even if you start with a 7 Monstrous Physique III and Bulls Strength take that to 17. Just have your friendly local cleric hit you with restoration after you have cast it to clear the lot at once for 100gp or nothing if they have False Focus....DrDeth2014-07-14T21:52:38ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQandrewwhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2642014-07-14T21:42:42Z2014-07-14T21:42:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Wait, those are minutes per level effects, no? When they wear off aren't you at 0 str? Can you make it to your neighborhood cleric in time? What if you can't find one? What if he has better things to do?</p>
<p>Personally, I love this kind of theorycrafting. For every advantage you can invent for yourself I can match it with a disadvantage. </blockquote><p>Rumour has it that Int is the primary stat for Wizards and as such they are likely to have their required cleric healer standing next to them while they cast Simulacrum.
<p>Or you know they just do it while magic jarred into an ogre and don't take any damage at all.</p>Buri wrote:Wait, those are minutes per level effects, no? When they wear off aren't you at 0 str? Can you make it to your neighborhood cleric in time? What if you can't find one? What if he has better things to do?
Personally, I love this kind of theorycrafting. For every advantage you can invent for yourself I can match it with a disadvantage.
Rumour has it that Int is the primary stat for Wizards and as such they are likely to have their required cleric healer standing next to them while...andreww2014-07-14T21:42:42ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQAnzyrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2632014-07-14T21:39:19Z2014-07-14T21:39:19Z<p>If you can't find a summon on your list with Restoration, or your party cleric can't be trusted, I think you have bigger problems. I absolutely have ways to mitigate the 50 STR damage I take when I cast free Wishes, thanks to Heal being just aces for chaincasting the Wishes to get inherent stat boosts. Standard action instant stat fix just great.</p>
<p>So whats my disadvantage match now? Genuinely curious Mr. I-Love-This-Kind-Of-Theorycrafting.</p>If you can't find a summon on your list with Restoration, or your party cleric can't be trusted, I think you have bigger problems. I absolutely have ways to mitigate the 50 STR damage I take when I cast free Wishes, thanks to Heal being just aces for chaincasting the Wishes to get inherent stat boosts. Standard action instant stat fix just great.
So whats my disadvantage match now? Genuinely curious Mr. I-Love-This-Kind-Of-Theorycrafting.Anzyr2014-07-14T21:39:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQBurihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2622014-07-14T21:36:03Z2014-07-14T21:36:03Z<p>Wait, those are minutes per level effects, no? When they wear off aren't you at 0 str? Can you make it to your neighborhood cleric in time? What if you can't find one? What if he has better things to do?</p>
<p>Personally, I love this kind of theorycrafting. For every advantage you can invent for yourself I can match it with a disadvantage.</p>Wait, those are minutes per level effects, no? When they wear off aren't you at 0 str? Can you make it to your neighborhood cleric in time? What if you can't find one? What if he has better things to do?
Personally, I love this kind of theorycrafting. For every advantage you can invent for yourself I can match it with a disadvantage.Buri2014-07-14T21:36:03ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQandrewwhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2612014-07-14T21:23:07Z2014-07-14T21:23:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DrDeth wrote:</div><blockquote><p>It takes a very stretched spellcaster to cast 7500gps Blood money. </p>
<p>But we all agree Simulacrum is poorly worded, even the devs agree. There's a FAQ thread on this you know </blockquote><p>15 strength damage is nothing at level 13. Even if you start with a 7 Monstrous Physique III and Bulls Strength take that to 17. Just have your friendly local cleric hit you with restoration after you have cast it to clear the lot at once for 100gp or nothing if they have False Focus.
<p>Alternatively you are level 13. Just magic jar into an Ogre with its base strength of 21. Its not as if an ogre is actually capable of doing anything to you at this level.</p>DrDeth wrote:It takes a very stretched spellcaster to cast 7500gps Blood money.
But we all agree Simulacrum is poorly worded, even the devs agree. There's a FAQ thread on this you know
15 strength damage is nothing at level 13. Even if you start with a 7 Monstrous Physique III and Bulls Strength take that to 17. Just have your friendly local cleric hit you with restoration after you have cast it to clear the lot at once for 100gp or nothing if they have False Focus. Alternatively you are...andreww2014-07-14T21:23:07ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQDrDethhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2602014-07-14T21:12:22Z2014-07-14T21:12:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote>I want an official version so that as a player no matter if I sit down with GM A or GM B, I know how the spell works.</blockquote><p>You never have that guarantee with any GM.
<p>To everyone else on this: my god, people, either be a GM with a backbone or don't try to pull every potentially vaguely worded thing through whatever loops you think you can and certainly don't act surprised when you run into someone who doesn't run it how you think it goes. </blockquote>Your army of free 15HD tarrasques involves no loopholes whatsoever. It doesn't take any form of stretched wording or awkward interpretation. Simulacrum as written is simply terrible and Blood Money makes it worse. </blockquote><p>It takes a very stretched spellcaster to cast 7500gps Blood money.
<p>But we all agree Simulacrum is poorly worded, even the devs agree. There's a FAQ thread on this you know.</p>
<p>What does this have to do with Paragon Surge?</p>andreww wrote:Buri wrote: wraithstrike wrote:I want an official version so that as a player no matter if I sit down with GM A or GM B, I know how the spell works.
You never have that guarantee with any GM. To everyone else on this: my god, people, either be a GM with a backbone or don't try to pull every potentially vaguely worded thing through whatever loops you think you can and certainly don't act surprised when you run into someone who doesn't run it how you think it goes. Your army of...DrDeth2014-07-14T21:12:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQBurihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2592014-08-01T17:31:08Z2014-07-14T21:02:46Z<p>Then remove it from your game. That's the only way to gain the consistency you so desperately want.</p>Then remove it from your game. That's the only way to gain the consistency you so desperately want.Buri2014-07-14T21:02:46ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Paragon Surge FAQandrewwhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r8xa&page=6?Paragon-Surge-FAQ#2582014-07-14T20:59:47Z2014-07-14T20:59:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote>I want an official version so that as a player no matter if I sit down with GM A or GM B, I know how the spell works.</blockquote><p>You never have that guarantee with any GM.
<p>To everyone else on this: my god, people, either be a GM with a backbone or don't try to pull every potentially vaguely worded thing through whatever loops you think you can and certainly don't act surprised when you run into someone who doesn't run it how you think it goes. </blockquote><p>Your army of free 15HD tarrasques involves no loopholes whatsoever. It doesn't take any form of stretched wording or awkward interpretation. Simulacrum as written is simply terrible and Blood Money makes it worse.Buri wrote:wraithstrike wrote:I want an official version so that as a player no matter if I sit down with GM A or GM B, I know how the spell works.
You never have that guarantee with any GM. To everyone else on this: my god, people, either be a GM with a backbone or don't try to pull every potentially vaguely worded thing through whatever loops you think you can and certainly don't act surprised when you run into someone who doesn't run it how you think it goes. Your army of free 15HD...andreww2014-07-14T20:59:47Z