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How do 5' steps work while flying?

It seems easy in theory but I'm guessing it would require a flight check, and then the oddities if that check fails. Or that could be easy but if you take a full round action while flying and fail the flight check to hover, then what happens?

Also from 5' step: You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed.

Is that an odd way of saying you need to have the movement mode to use it?

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BigP4nda wrote:

Question about the Tiefling alternate racial trait: Oversized Limbs

Oversized limbs allows you to wield weapons one size category larger than you without penalty. Would this allow you to dual-wield two Medium-sized two-handed weapons?

As you increase or decrease the size category of a weapon, the effort is moved the same number of steps. So would oversized limbs change what your appropriately sized weapon is? It doesn't say that, so could you still wield Medium weapons regularly?

Let's compare a Large creature with a Medium Tiefling:

Large creature with 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively two one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, and then an additional -2 for inappropriately sized weapons for a total of -8/-12

Medium Tiefling with Oversized Limbs wielding 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively a large-sized creature, so that would make the greatswords one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, but because it is still a Medium creature it wouldn't incur the -2 penalty, so totalin at just -6/-10

Is this viable? Or is it not how it's supposed to work?

I'm not aware of that being an alternate racial trait, so I'll answer for the most similar thing I know about, the over-sized limbs chart entry on the random d100 chart of fiendish heritage. In the unlikely chance of rolling this one (hey, it could happen, I saw a paladin get the +2 Cha on that once), it has really weird and specific wording: You can use Large weapons without penalty for the size. So it wouldn't help you use two Medium greatswords, but you could use two Large longswords (which do the same damage as Medium greatswords) just fine. Also weird: A Small (or smaller) character with this ability seems to be able to use Large weapons with no penalty, and the same for a Huge (or larger). A weirdly worded ability all around, interesting find!

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ZanThrax wrote:

Mark, if you wanted to do an AMA on Reddit, it would be pretty easy. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/ (/r/Pathfinder is the PFS subreddit, /r/Pathfinder_RPG is the more general one) has only two mods: https://www.reddit.com/user/Karthas and https://www.reddit.com/user/Deatvert so if you created an account to use when you wanted to post as Mark Seifter and messaged one (or both https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FPathfinder_RPG ) of them, they'd be able to put up an announcement sticky in the sub so that the users knew it was coming up.

Or you can just post a new self-post ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/submit?selftext=true ) with a title like "In X hours, I'll start answering your questions in this thread; AM(almost)A" and the users would likely vote it up and start asking a bunch of questions (many of which will wind up being personal and/or rude, but you can chose to ignore those if you wanted).

In either case, the mods might ask you to privately provide them with some simple proof of identity and then they'd mark your username with some flair that basically says that they know that you're you.

Cool, interesting info. I've never done one of those on either side, and I thought that the ones that matter were usually in the AMA section, rather than their own subreddit. Would you say they're much ruder/nastier than our own forums generally are? For future consideration of whether I try to do something like that, I probably wouldn't want to do something that was going to be super-draining or demoralizing.

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Diego Rossi wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Tels wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:

Today I had a brainstorm that turned out to be a bust where I thought I might be able to make a "Mark Seifter, Game Designer" page and thus have a Facebook page without having to log into my personal Facebook page (which makes me feel super privacy invaded every moment I'm on there for a variety of reasons). However, I just discovered that I have to be logged into my personal account anyway to deal with that page, thus logging in for the first time in maybe a year or two, so seems like a bust. Anyways, the upside is that I do have that page now and you can like it at facebook/MarkSeifterGameDesigner. If I get enough likes, I probably won't notice due to having to log into Facebook, but then maybe I'll post some cool game design stuff on there when I do.

I wonder about the overall use/interest in those sorts of fan pages (Facebook or otherwise), so feel free to respond in this thread about your experiences with them (or opinions for lack of experiences). On the plus, side, it seems like it could be a good way to foster a positive discourse, perhaps, kind of like these AMA threads usually are much nicer and more fun than an average thread.

Mark Seifter, Game Designer.

You might consider dropping into the Pathfinder RPG group from time to time. It has nearly 11,000 followers and many of them don't seem to know about, or use the Pazio forums. Might be interesting to see what they have to say, or maybe do an AMA post on there, or something.

Potentially something to look into! Since I have to be logged in with my personal account, which makes me uncomfortable, I probably won't be active enough for a satisfying AMA though.

You only need a different e-mail and possibly a different phone number to make a new facebook account.

In theory you can only have an account linked to a living person,...

That's actually a really clever idea, though I wonder if it's too late having linked to my personal page already. It's certainly something to look into!

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Seannoss wrote:

How do 5' steps work while flying?

It seems easy in theory but I'm guessing it would require a flight check, and then the oddities if that check fails. Or that could be easy but if you take a full round action while flying and fail the flight check to hover, then what happens?

Also from 5' step: You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed.

Is that an odd way of saying you need to have the movement mode to use it?

Yeah, it's a sticky wicket. Our group came across this and here's how we do it:

At the start of your turn, roll the Fly check to see if you have to move half your speed. If you make it, you can do lesser movement, hover in place, 5-foot step, and the like. However, no 5-foot-stepping up because that's its own separate flying situation that costs extra movement than usual.

@Needing to have the listed speed, it's saying you can't 5-foot step when swimming or climbing without swim or climb speed.


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Mark Seifter wrote:
Seannoss wrote:

How do 5' steps work while flying?

It seems easy in theory but I'm guessing it would require a flight check, and then the oddities if that check fails. Or that could be easy but if you take a full round action while flying and fail the flight check to hover, then what happens?

Also from 5' step: You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed.

Is that an odd way of saying you need to have the movement mode to use it?

Yeah, it's a sticky wicket. Our group came across this and here's how we do it:

At the start of your turn, roll the Fly check to see if you have to move half your speed. If you make it, you can do lesser movement, hover in place, 5-foot step, and the like. However, no 5-foot-stepping up because that's its own separate flying situation that costs extra movement than usual.

@Needing to have the listed speed, it's saying you can't 5-foot step when swimming or climbing without swim or climb speed.

What about out of Grease? (I kid, I kid....) =p

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Huh, haven't posted in this thread yet. Guess now's as good a time as any to start.

There was a question in another thread I was wondering about:

If you're using kinetic blade with telekinesis (which states you hold onto an object to transfer the power of your blast into it), do you need to be proficient in it to wield it as a weapon. Also do your attacks gain any of the qualities of that held item (assuming a spear, do you get reach? What about for just a long stick that isn't normally a weapon but is as long as a spear?) How about brace, trip, or anything like that? I figured crit range wouldn't apply, but it's still something that could be discussed.

Sorry if this has already been asked, and hope you have a great day!

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N. Jolly wrote:

Huh, haven't posted in this thread yet. Guess now's as good a time as any to start.

There was a question in another thread I was wondering about:

If you're using kinetic blade with telekinesis (which states you hold onto an object to transfer the power of your blast into it), do you need to be proficient in it to wield it as a weapon. Also do your attacks gain any of the qualities of that held item (assuming a spear, do you get reach? What about for just a long stick that isn't normally a weapon but is as long as a spear?) How about brace, trip, or anything like that? I figured crit range wouldn't apply, but it's still something that could be discussed.

Hope you have a great day!

It just counts as any other object; you don't need proficiency, and you don't add other qualities of it; it does your telekinetic blast damage, and you choose whether to make it one-handed (and thus two-handable) or light (and thus finessable).

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Mark Seifter wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Tels wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:

Today I had a brainstorm that turned out to be a bust where I thought I might be able to make a "Mark Seifter, Game Designer" page and thus have a Facebook page without having to log into my personal Facebook page (which makes me feel super privacy invaded every moment I'm on there for a variety of reasons). However, I just discovered that I have to be logged into my personal account anyway to deal with that page, thus logging in for the first time in maybe a year or two, so seems like a bust. Anyways, the upside is that I do have that page now and you can like it at facebook/MarkSeifterGameDesigner. If I get enough likes, I probably won't notice due to having to log into Facebook, but then maybe I'll post some cool game design stuff on there when I do.

I wonder about the overall use/interest in those sorts of fan pages (Facebook or otherwise), so feel free to respond in this thread about your experiences with them (or opinions for lack of experiences). On the plus, side, it seems like it could be a good way to foster a positive discourse, perhaps, kind of like these AMA threads usually are much nicer and more fun than an average thread.

Mark Seifter, Game Designer.

You might consider dropping into the Pathfinder RPG group from time to time. It has nearly 11,000 followers and many of them don't seem to know about, or use the Pazio forums. Might be interesting to see what they have to say, or maybe do an AMA post on there, or something.

Potentially something to look into! Since I have to be logged in with my personal account, which makes me uncomfortable, I probably won't be active enough for a satisfying AMA though.

You only need a different e-mail and possibly a different phone number to make a new facebook account.

In theory you can only have an account
That's actually a really clever idea, though I wonder if it's too late having linked to my personal page already. It's certainly something to look into!

You can give your old account administrative abilities for the page to your new account, but the link to the old account stay.

If you want to separate them completely the best option seem to create a new page "Mark Seifter, Game Designer" with a slightly different name.

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Diego Rossi wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Tels wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:

Today I had a brainstorm that turned out to be a bust where I thought I might be able to make a "Mark Seifter, Game Designer" page and thus have a Facebook page without having to log into my personal Facebook page (which makes me feel super privacy invaded every moment I'm on there for a variety of reasons). However, I just discovered that I have to be logged into my personal account anyway to deal with that page, thus logging in for the first time in maybe a year or two, so seems like a bust. Anyways, the upside is that I do have that page now and you can like it at facebook/MarkSeifterGameDesigner. If I get enough likes, I probably won't notice due to having to log into Facebook, but then maybe I'll post some cool game design stuff on there when I do.

I wonder about the overall use/interest in those sorts of fan pages (Facebook or otherwise), so feel free to respond in this thread about your experiences with them (or opinions for lack of experiences). On the plus, side, it seems like it could be a good way to foster a positive discourse, perhaps, kind of like these AMA threads usually are much nicer and more fun than an average thread.

Mark Seifter, Game Designer.

You might consider dropping into the Pathfinder RPG group from time to time. It has nearly 11,000 followers and many of them don't seem to know about, or use the Pazio forums. Might be interesting to see what they have to say, or maybe do an AMA post on there, or something.

Potentially something to look into! Since I have to be logged in with my personal account, which makes me uncomfortable, I probably won't be active enough for a satisfying AMA though.

You only need a different e-mail and possibly a different phone number to make a new facebook account.

In
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Admin access on another account would suffice for me. It's mostly that my privacy settings and list of things I disallowed Facebook to do with my personal account used to be pretty high, so high that some number of years back they had to send me an e-mail about the fact that a change eliminating some of the privacy options caused some of my choices to be no longer allowed, so I would have to accept looser options to continue using Facebook. I clicked yes, but at that point, the combination of personal info, other people who aren't me being able to tag me in things (thus meaning I'm not the one with control over what personal info goes up), and Facebook's restricting the privacy options caused me to feel really skeeved whenever it's open now. I know I should probably be skeeved by Google's data-mining too (among other companies who make things I use), but since I don't have uncontrolled personal data on my Google account, for some reason it doesn't make me uncomfortable in the same way. Being able to have an account open with no personal info on it would solve everything!


Mark Seifter wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:

Question about the Tiefling alternate racial trait: Oversized Limbs

Oversized limbs allows you to wield weapons one size category larger than you without penalty. Would this allow you to dual-wield two Medium-sized two-handed weapons?

As you increase or decrease the size category of a weapon, the effort is moved the same number of steps. So would oversized limbs change what your appropriately sized weapon is? It doesn't say that, so could you still wield Medium weapons regularly?

Let's compare a Large creature with a Medium Tiefling:

Large creature with 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively two one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, and then an additional -2 for inappropriately sized weapons for a total of -8/-12

Medium Tiefling with Oversized Limbs wielding 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively a large-sized creature, so that would make the greatswords one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, but because it is still a Medium creature it wouldn't incur the -2 penalty, so totalin at just -6/-10

Is this viable? Or is it not how it's supposed to work?

I'm not aware of that being an alternate racial trait, so I'll answer for the most similar thing I know about, the over-sized limbs chart entry on the random d100 chart of fiendish heritage. In the unlikely chance of rolling this one (hey, it could happen, I saw a paladin get the +2 Cha on that once), it has really weird and specific wording: You can use Large weapons without penalty for the size. So it wouldn't help you use two Medium greatswords, but you could use two Large longswords (which do the same damage as Medium greatswords) just fine. Also weird: A Small (or smaller) character with this ability seems to be able to use Large weapons with no penalty, and the same for a Huge (or larger). A weirdly worded ability all around, interesting find!

(That's what I meant by alternate racial trait, since you now have the option to use fiendish heritage without taking the feat)

Except that it doesn't say that it no longer can wield medium weapons effectively. it isn't actually a large creature, just a medium creature with large arms.
Unless what you mean is that's not how it was intended to work, help me understand what brought you to interpret it as not allowing you to wield medium weapons anymore...

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BigP4nda wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:

Question about the Tiefling alternate racial trait: Oversized Limbs

Oversized limbs allows you to wield weapons one size category larger than you without penalty. Would this allow you to dual-wield two Medium-sized two-handed weapons?

As you increase or decrease the size category of a weapon, the effort is moved the same number of steps. So would oversized limbs change what your appropriately sized weapon is? It doesn't say that, so could you still wield Medium weapons regularly?

Let's compare a Large creature with a Medium Tiefling:

Large creature with 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively two one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, and then an additional -2 for inappropriately sized weapons for a total of -8/-12

Medium Tiefling with Oversized Limbs wielding 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively a large-sized creature, so that would make the greatswords one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, but because it is still a Medium creature it wouldn't incur the -2 penalty, so totalin at just -6/-10

Is this viable? Or is it not how it's supposed to work?

I'm not aware of that being an alternate racial trait, so I'll answer for the most similar thing I know about, the over-sized limbs chart entry on the random d100 chart of fiendish heritage. In the unlikely chance of rolling this one (hey, it could happen, I saw a paladin get the +2 Cha on that once), it has really weird and specific wording: You can use Large weapons without penalty for the size. So it wouldn't help you use two Medium greatswords, but you could use two Large longswords (which do the same damage as Medium greatswords) just fine. Also weird: A Small (or smaller) character with this ability seems to be able to use Large weapons with no penalty, and the same for a Huge (or larger). A weirdly worded ability all around, interesting find!
(That's what I meant by alternate racial trait, since you now have the option to use fiendish heritage without taking the feat)...

You can totally use Medium weapons (assuming you are Medium, or I guess Large, or in some cases Small); the (weirdly-worded) d100 chart possibility you mention doesn't change that. But it also doesn't change how you wield them, so it wouldn't open up more options for Medium weapons than you already have. It doesn't mention them at all.


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If someone playing a telekineticist wanted to use the same item or items with their telekinetic blast over and over again, what would you suggest? Once you get even to the mid-levels, even adamantine is going to start getting dinged up, after all. I've pondered the possibility of a feat that allows you to use kinetic blast either without damaging the object if you choose to, or at least reducing the damage by half to the object (before hardness), a special utility talent allowing you to not deal damage and also keep it there as if it were a shield (+2 static shield bonus), creating a unique magic item that isn't damaged by being used for a telekinetic blast (but not sure what the price should be there), creating a special magic item that just happens to have a lot of hardness and/or repairs itself reasonably quickly (more like fast healing than living steel), but again, not sure what the price should be there...any suggestions/thoughts as to how you would handle it?


Mark Seifter wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:

Question about the Tiefling alternate racial trait: Oversized Limbs

Oversized limbs allows you to wield weapons one size category larger than you without penalty. Would this allow you to dual-wield two Medium-sized two-handed weapons?

As you increase or decrease the size category of a weapon, the effort is moved the same number of steps. So would oversized limbs change what your appropriately sized weapon is? It doesn't say that, so could you still wield Medium weapons regularly?

Let's compare a Large creature with a Medium Tiefling:

Large creature with 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively two one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, and then an additional -2 for inappropriately sized weapons for a total of -8/-12

Medium Tiefling with Oversized Limbs wielding 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively a large-sized creature, so that would make the greatswords one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, but because it is still a Medium creature it wouldn't incur the -2 penalty, so totalin at just -6/-10

Is this viable? Or is it not how it's supposed to work?

I'm not aware of that being an alternate racial trait, so I'll answer for the most similar thing I know about, the over-sized limbs chart entry on the random d100 chart of fiendish heritage. In the unlikely chance of rolling this one (hey, it could happen, I saw a paladin get the +2 Cha on that once), it has really weird and specific wording: You can use Large weapons without penalty for the size. So it wouldn't help you use two Medium greatswords, but you could use two Large longswords (which do the same damage as Medium greatswords) just fine. Also weird: A Small (or smaller) character with this ability seems to be able to use Large weapons with no penalty, and the same for a Huge (or larger). A weirdly worded ability all around, interesting find!
(That's what I meant by alternate racial trait, since you now have the option to use fiendish heritage
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See this is where the fuzziness was for me. No it doesn't say that technically, but A Medium two-handed weapon is essentially a Large one-handed weapon (with a penalty), so that would mean I could wield this "large one-handed weapon" without the penalty.

OR i guess it could do absolutely nothing but remove the penalty for wielding a weapon one size category larger than you....yeah that seems to make more sense with the wording. Was getting all excited for nothing >.>

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BigP4nda wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:

Question about the Tiefling alternate racial trait: Oversized Limbs

Oversized limbs allows you to wield weapons one size category larger than you without penalty. Would this allow you to dual-wield two Medium-sized two-handed weapons?

As you increase or decrease the size category of a weapon, the effort is moved the same number of steps. So would oversized limbs change what your appropriately sized weapon is? It doesn't say that, so could you still wield Medium weapons regularly?

Let's compare a Large creature with a Medium Tiefling:

Large creature with 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively two one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, and then an additional -2 for inappropriately sized weapons for a total of -8/-12

Medium Tiefling with Oversized Limbs wielding 2 medium-sized greatswords: Effectively a large-sized creature, so that would make the greatswords one-handed weapons, so -6/-10 for TWF, but because it is still a Medium creature it wouldn't incur the -2 penalty, so totalin at just -6/-10

Is this viable? Or is it not how it's supposed to work?

I'm not aware of that being an alternate racial trait, so I'll answer for the most similar thing I know about, the over-sized limbs chart entry on the random d100 chart of fiendish heritage. In the unlikely chance of rolling this one (hey, it could happen, I saw a paladin get the +2 Cha on that once), it has really weird and specific wording: You can use Large weapons without penalty for the size. So it wouldn't help you use two Medium greatswords, but you could use two Large longswords (which do the same damage as Medium greatswords) just fine. Also weird: A Small (or smaller) character with this ability seems to be able to use Large weapons with no penalty, and the same for a Huge (or larger). A weirdly worded ability all around, interesting find!
(That's what I meant by alternate racial trait, since you now have the
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It would seem that it also lets you wield, say, a Large greatsword, which you normally couldn't do at all. Weapon sizes are weird in Pathfinder, but that thing about a Large longsword being a Medium greatsword is something from 3.0.


If it helps to think about it, a medium greatsword and a large longsword might have the same stats but wouldn't necessarily be the same thing in terms of the way the weight is distributed, how long the hilt is, the length of the blade, etc.


So I have an idea for a pathfinder session I am running for the pc party's friend to become possesed by a demon. But he is a bladebound maguas and I was curious how he (the demon) and the blade would interact. Would the blade not serve him or would it.

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As an intelligent item, the black blade would follow its own agenda, though at best if it disagreed with the demon, it could try to assert its Ego score against the demon and take control itself (and if that doesn't work, refuse to spend points from its personal pool).


Mark Seifter wrote:
As an intelligent item, the black blade would follow its own agenda, though at best if it disagreed with the demon, it could try to assert its Ego score against the demon and take control itself (and if that doesn't work, refuse to spend points from its personal pool).

alright sweet thanks


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Luthorne wrote:
If someone playing a telekineticist wanted to use the same item or items with their telekinetic blast over and over again, what would you suggest? Once you get even to the mid-levels, even adamantine is going to start getting dinged up, after all. I've pondered the possibility of a feat that allows you to use kinetic blast either without damaging the object if you choose to, or at least reducing the damage by half to the object (before hardness), a special utility talent allowing you to not deal damage and also keep it there as if it were a shield (+2 static shield bonus), creating a unique magic item that isn't damaged by being used for a telekinetic blast (but not sure what the price should be there), creating a special magic item that just happens to have a lot of hardness and/or repairs itself reasonably quickly (more like fast healing than living steel), but again, not sure what the price should be there...any suggestions/thoughts as to how you would handle it?

Did you miss this one, or just delaying answering? Wasn't sure since you answered a few after my post, but my apologies if it was the latter.

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Luthorne wrote:
Luthorne wrote:
If someone playing a telekineticist wanted to use the same item or items with their telekinetic blast over and over again, what would you suggest? Once you get even to the mid-levels, even adamantine is going to start getting dinged up, after all. I've pondered the possibility of a feat that allows you to use kinetic blast either without damaging the object if you choose to, or at least reducing the damage by half to the object (before hardness), a special utility talent allowing you to not deal damage and also keep it there as if it were a shield (+2 static shield bonus), creating a unique magic item that isn't damaged by being used for a telekinetic blast (but not sure what the price should be there), creating a special magic item that just happens to have a lot of hardness and/or repairs itself reasonably quickly (more like fast healing than living steel), but again, not sure what the price should be there...any suggestions/thoughts as to how you would handle it?
Did you miss this one, or just delaying answering? Wasn't sure since you answered a few after my post, but my apologies if it was the latter.

Ah, just missed it b/c someone in another thread I was in was talking on a similar topic and I conflated them in my head. I think many of your suggestions are pretty viable, particularly something like a Thick Aether feat that halves the damage to the object at your option before hardness.


Mark Seifter wrote:
ZanThrax wrote:

Mark, if you wanted to do an AMA on Reddit, it would be pretty easy. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/ (/r/Pathfinder is the PFS subreddit, /r/Pathfinder_RPG is the more general one) has only two mods: https://www.reddit.com/user/Karthas and https://www.reddit.com/user/Deatvert so if you created an account to use when you wanted to post as Mark Seifter and messaged one (or both https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FPathfinder_RPG ) of them, they'd be able to put up an announcement sticky in the sub so that the users knew it was coming up.

Or you can just post a new self-post ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/submit?selftext=true ) with a title like "In X hours, I'll start answering your questions in this thread; AM(almost)A" and the users would likely vote it up and start asking a bunch of questions (many of which will wind up being personal and/or rude, but you can chose to ignore those if you wanted).

In either case, the mods might ask you to privately provide them with some simple proof of identity and then they'd mark your username with some flair that basically says that they know that you're you.

Cool, interesting info. I've never done one of those on either side, and I thought that the ones that matter were usually in the AMA section, rather than their own subreddit. Would you say they're much ruder/nastier than our own forums generally are? For future consideration of whether I try to do something like that, I probably wouldn't want to do something that was going to be super-draining or demoralizing.

Reddit in general is, unfortunately, a much ruder/nastier place than the Paizo forums. But that's mostly the large subreddits (the ones that have millions of subscribers) and the default subreddits (the ones that you see when you look at it without logging in). The small communities - like /r/Pathfinder_RPG - tend to be much better. If anything I'd suggest that /r/Pathfinder_RPG is a much calmer, much more polite place than the Paizo boards.

As for it potentially being particularly demoralizing, if you go with the "I'm going to start answering questions in this thread in X hours" plan, the users will have voted interesting questions to the top of the thread and voted the rude stuff down, so that when you come back to it, you can just ignore everything below a certain score.

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Today the potential FAQ turned out to be answered by an earlier FAQ:

PDT wrote:
Question wrote:
Can a Rogue gain Sneak Attack damage dice using a Ranged Longbow attack while in flanking position with an ally?
No FAQ Required: As per the Gang Up FAQ "flanking specifically refers to melee attacks," so no, the rogue can't do so. As an aside, though it isn't the question asked here, someone threatening with a ranged weapon can provide a flank to an ally who is using a melee weapon.

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ZanThrax wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
ZanThrax wrote:

Mark, if you wanted to do an AMA on Reddit, it would be pretty easy. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/ (/r/Pathfinder is the PFS subreddit, /r/Pathfinder_RPG is the more general one) has only two mods: https://www.reddit.com/user/Karthas and https://www.reddit.com/user/Deatvert so if you created an account to use when you wanted to post as Mark Seifter and messaged one (or both https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FPathfinder_RPG ) of them, they'd be able to put up an announcement sticky in the sub so that the users knew it was coming up.

Or you can just post a new self-post ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/submit?selftext=true ) with a title like "In X hours, I'll start answering your questions in this thread; AM(almost)A" and the users would likely vote it up and start asking a bunch of questions (many of which will wind up being personal and/or rude, but you can chose to ignore those if you wanted).

In either case, the mods might ask you to privately provide them with some simple proof of identity and then they'd mark your username with some flair that basically says that they know that you're you.

Cool, interesting info. I've never done one of those on either side, and I thought that the ones that matter were usually in the AMA section, rather than their own subreddit. Would you say they're much ruder/nastier than our own forums generally are? For future consideration of whether I try to do something like that, I probably wouldn't want to do something that was going to be super-draining or demoralizing.
Reddit in general is, unfortunately, a much ruder/nastier place than the Paizo forums. But that's mostly the large...

Thanks, that's useful info in case I wind up dipping my toes in that stuff!


When using kinetic blade/whip can you use any object like a rock or spec of dust?

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Dragon78 wrote:
When using kinetic blade/whip can you use any object like a rock or spec of dust?

I don't think a speck of dust is really defined as an object in Pathfinder, but you could use a rock or even a marble if you like. For blade, you're basically smashing them with the rock (the name may be "blade" but it doesn't have to be a blade and can deal bludgeoning damage), whereas with whip, you've basically got a super long morningstar-type thing with the chain made of aether and the rock as the ball at the end.


If you and another both have Paired Opportunists, Outflank, and Seize the Moment, and one of you scores a critical hit, what is the sequence of AoOs that follow?
Do the two feats stack? Or is it still considered as the same instance, preventing additional AoOs?


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There's one thing I've been wondering for awhile...how do constant spell-like abilities with a duration of concentration actually function, particularly divination spells that provide different amounts of information depending on how long they've concentrated? Such as a noble drow's constant detect magic or a succubus' constant detect good...the Universal Monster Rules say, "Reactivating a constant spell-like ability is a swift action," so. Does a constant spell-like ability with a duration of concentration end when the user is not concentrating on it, but can easily reactivate it as a swift action? Does it remain active without requiring concentration, but only provide information as if they had spent one round viewing it? Or is the spell-like ability supposed to provide concentration due to its ungoing duration without having to actually concentrate? It's a bit odd, though the first seems most 'as written'?


I really loved the playtest medium; any news on when or if anything is going to be done with that?


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In this FAQ on archetype stacking, it says that altering a parent class feature in any way makes it incompatible with other archetypes that changed that stuff, citing "adding an additional class skill to the class" as something that causes incompatibility.

If I have an archetype that in one case alters class skills (let's say it changes the list itself around), and a different archetype that does not alter class skills, but has a separate ability that adds class skills, are they still compatible?

For example, would Lore Warden (Scholastic adds class skills but is not a feature that alter class skills, so might be considered analogous to taking a feat that adds class skills) be compatible with a fighter archetype that alters class skills? What about a sorcerer bloodline adding a class skill separately onto a class that alters the base skill list?

What about something that "alters" the bonus feat list by introducing an entirely new ability, rather than doing it directly? If a hypothetical fighter archetype got a class feature called "Super-Awesome Stunts" that said they could take them in place of a normal bonus feat, would it then be incompatible with every fighter archetype that touches bonus feats?

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BigP4nda wrote:

If you and another both have Paired Opportunists, Outflank, and Seize the Moment, and one of you scores a critical hit, what is the sequence of AoOs that follow?

Do the two feats stack? Or is it still considered as the same instance, preventing additional AoOs?

They seem to be the same opportunity, but you would still both get an AoO from PO. The advantage of the Seize the Moment is that it's usually hard to trigger both Outflank and Paired Opportunists.

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Luthorne wrote:
There's one thing I've been wondering for awhile...how do constant spell-like abilities with a duration of concentration actually function, particularly divination spells that provide different amounts of information depending on how long they've concentrated? Such as a noble drow's constant detect magic or a succubus' constant detect good...the Universal Monster Rules say, "Reactivating a constant spell-like ability is a swift action," so. Does a constant spell-like ability with a duration of concentration end when the user is not concentrating on it, but can easily reactivate it as a swift action? Does it remain active without requiring concentration, but only provide information as if they had spent one round viewing it? Or is the spell-like ability supposed to provide concentration due to its ungoing duration without having to actually concentrate? It's a bit odd, though the first seems most 'as written'?

For constant SLAs that usually have a concentration duration, this has come up in our games. We rule that the constant duration replaces the concentration duration (the swift reactivation being for if it gets dispelled), and you have to start spending actions and concentrating on it to get past the round 1 info.

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Wolin wrote:
I really loved the playtest medium; any news on when or if anything is going to be done with that?

This is a common question here: Nothing concrete. I still hope we get it some day. I'm thinking that chances may be slightly higher than last time someone asked in this thread, but perhaps not.

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Q: does one with the Lucid Dreamer feat gain any advantage using the dream or minor dream spells? (i.e. dream council has explicit instructions for those who take this feat, but it seems there should be a basic level of extra interactions allowed for that feat's users when casting or receiving messages from those two spells...)

For instance, t'would be neat if someone with that feat could enter the caster's dreamscape by expending a use of the same spell, similar to the dream council clause...

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Forrestfire wrote:

In this FAQ on archetype stacking, it says that altering a parent class feature in any way makes it incompatible with other archetypes that changed that stuff, citing "adding an additional class skill to the class" as something that causes incompatibility.

If I have an archetype that in one case alters class skills (let's say it changes the list itself around), and a different archetype that does not alter class skills, but has a separate ability that adds class skills, are they still compatible?

For example, would Lore Warden (Scholastic adds class skills but is not a feature that alter class skills, so might be considered analogous to taking a feat that adds class skills) be compatible with a fighter archetype that alters class skills? What about a sorcerer bloodline adding a class skill separately onto a class that alters the base skill list?

What about something that "alters" the bonus feat list by introducing an entirely new ability, rather than doing it directly? If a hypothetical fighter archetype got a class feature called "Super-Awesome Stunts" that said they could take them in place of a normal bonus feat, would it then be incompatible with every fighter archetype that touches bonus feats?

Not all archetypes tell you what they alter, especially older ones before the idea to make altering clear even existed (they used to say they replaced things and then lead to confusion when it was really altering, or sometimes just say nothing). We've been trying to make sure we are thorough with the latest offerings in the RPG line. Lore Warden alters class skills and would not stack with any other archetype that altered class skills. The hypothetical super-awesome stunts archetype would alter bonus feats and wouldn't stack with another archetype that does so.

That all said, if the alterations seem to not touch each other, I'd consider houseruling to allow a particular combination.


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Mark Seifter wrote:

Not all archetypes tell you what they alter, especially older ones before the idea to make altering clear even existed (they used to say they replaced things and then lead to confusion when it was really altering, or sometimes just say nothing). We've been trying to make sure we are thorough with the latest offerings in the RPG line. Lore Warden alters class skills and would not stack with any other archetype that altered class skills. The hypothetical super-awesome stunts archetype would alter bonus feats and wouldn't stack with another archetype that does so.

That all said, if the alterations seem to not touch each other, I'd consider houseruling to allow a particular combination.

That is good to know. Thanks for your quick response!

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This just in: Something kineticist-related just came back from layout for copyfitting and is actually slightly under on length, for the first time in the history of the class (of not being massively over); yay!


Mark Seifter wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:

If you and another both have Paired Opportunists, Outflank, and Seize the Moment, and one of you scores a critical hit, what is the sequence of AoOs that follow?

Do the two feats stack? Or is it still considered as the same instance, preventing additional AoOs?
They seem to be the same opportunity, but you would still both get an AoO from PO. The advantage of the Seize the Moment is that it's usually hard to trigger both Outflank and Paired Opportunists.

So they don't stack, but the you could still see benefit from the feat by adding an extra chance of triggering PO? Is that what you're saying?

Because Outflank triggers off of your own critical hit, while StM is triggered off your ally's critical hit.

Now let's say this for example: If I score a critical hit, allowing me to make another AoO, which due to PO grants my ally another AoO, and then THEY score a critical hit with their AoO, granting me ANOTHER AoO, which in turn grants them one more AoO due to PO. Is that how that would work?
This is different from the original interpretation of the following AoO sequence:


  • I score a critical hit
  • Outflank grants me an Attack of Opportunity
  • Paired Opportunists grants my ally an AoO
  • At the same time, my ally's Seize the Moment kicks in from my Critical Hit
  • Paired Opportunists then grants my another AoO.
  • Totalling to 1 Critical Hit, then 2 AoOs from me, and 2 from my ally.

You said this wouldn't work this way due to Outflank and Seize the Moment granting conflicting AoOs for the same opportunity.

Now the situation is a bit different:


  • Critical Hit triggers Outflank
  • Paired Opportunists grants ally an AoO
  • Ally scores a Critical Hit on their AoO
  • Their outflank triggers granted them another AoO
  • My Seize the Moment triggers off of their Critical Hit
  • Resulting in the initial Critical Hit, 1 Critical AoO, 2 AoOs from me, then an additional AoO from my ally
  • I think it's safe to assume you could not continuously chain AoOs for consecutive critical hits.

Please tell me if I am grasping the correct concept here or if I am clouded by fantastical delusions. This combination seems a bit too good to be true.

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Outflank gives the ally an AoO, not the critting character. I think it works like this (assuming adjacent but flanking allies with Outflank and PO, or just adjacent allies with Seize and PO):

Ally A gets a critical hit, triggering Outflank or Seize, and then due to PO both characters get an AoO. Ally B actually gets a critical hit off that AoO; this triggers Outflank or Seize, giving both of them another AoO. If you guys keep critting, I think you can probably keep taking more and more AoOs, subject to your Combat Reflexes limit or Desna deciding she's paid you back for whatever you used to bribe her for that many crits and ending your crit spree.


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Mark Seifter wrote:

Outflank gives the ally an AoO, not the critting character. I think it works like this (assuming adjacent but flanking allies with Outflank and PO, or just adjacent allies with Seize and PO):

Ally A gets a critical hit, triggering Outflank or Seize, and then due to PO both characters get an AoO. Ally B actually gets a critical hit off that AoO; this triggers Outflank or Seize, giving both of them another AoO. If you guys keep critting, I think you can probably keep taking more and more AoOs, subject to your Combat Reflexes limit or Desna deciding she's paid you back for whatever you used to bribe her for that many crits and ending your crit spree.

Okay yeah, thanks for clearing that up. It's pretty awesome how paired with a high critical rate build, this can prove to be a fatal combination. Can't wait to try it out


I always have a hard time finding the FAQ list. Can you provide a link to the full FAQ list so I can bookmark it?


BigP4nda wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:

Outflank gives the ally an AoO, not the critting character. I think it works like this (assuming adjacent but flanking allies with Outflank and PO, or just adjacent allies with Seize and PO):

Ally A gets a critical hit, triggering Outflank or Seize, and then due to PO both characters get an AoO. Ally B actually gets a critical hit off that AoO; this triggers Outflank or Seize, giving both of them another AoO. If you guys keep critting, I think you can probably keep taking more and more AoOs, subject to your Combat Reflexes limit or Desna deciding she's paid you back for whatever you used to bribe her for that many crits and ending your crit spree.

Okay yeah, thanks for clearing that up. It's pretty awesome how paired with a high critical rate build, this can prove to be a fatal combination. Can't wait to try it out

Follow-up question. If my ally has used up their available AoOs for that round, but I haven't, would Paired Opportunists still activate? but with only me being able to make the AoO

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BigP4nda wrote:
I always have a hard time finding the FAQ list. Can you provide a link to the full FAQ list so I can bookmark it?

It's up at the very-top-right of the page. Look for "Help/FAQ". ^_^


Kalindlara wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:
I always have a hard time finding the FAQ list. Can you provide a link to the full FAQ list so I can bookmark it?
It's up at the very-top-right of the page. Look for "Help/FAQ". ^_^

That takes me to the messageboards and Paizo FAQ, I'm talking about the Pathfinder rules FAQ

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BigP4nda wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:
I always have a hard time finding the FAQ list. Can you provide a link to the full FAQ list so I can bookmark it?
It's up at the very-top-right of the page. Look for "Help/FAQ". ^_^
That takes me to the messageboards and Paizo FAQ, I'm talking about the Pathfinder rules FAQ

Sorry, I should have provided more detail. Once you've clicked on "Help/FAQ", look at the sidebar on the right. Scroll down until you see the book you're looking for.


Kalindlara wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:
I always have a hard time finding the FAQ list. Can you provide a link to the full FAQ list so I can bookmark it?
It's up at the very-top-right of the page. Look for "Help/FAQ". ^_^
That takes me to the messageboards and Paizo FAQ, I'm talking about the Pathfinder rules FAQ
Sorry, I should have provided more detail. Once you've clicked on "Help/FAQ", look at the sidebar on the right. Scroll down until you see the book you're looking for.

Is there not a completely compiled list with all the FAQ together? sometimes I don't know what book the faq I'm looking for would be categorized under

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BigP4nda wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
BigP4nda wrote:
I always have a hard time finding the FAQ list. Can you provide a link to the full FAQ list so I can bookmark it?
It's up at the very-top-right of the page. Look for "Help/FAQ". ^_^
That takes me to the messageboards and Paizo FAQ, I'm talking about the Pathfinder rules FAQ
Sorry, I should have provided more detail. Once you've clicked on "Help/FAQ", look at the sidebar on the right. Scroll down until you see the book you're looking for.
Is there not a completely compiled list with all the FAQ together? sometimes I don't know what book the faq I'm looking for would be categorized under

There is not, unfortunately. I occasionally have to check one or two books before I find what I'm looking for.

That said, checking this account's posts might be useful as well. ^_^


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Mark Seifter wrote:
This just in: Something kineticist-related just came back from layout for copyfitting and is actually slightly under on length, for the first time in the history of the class (of not being massively over); yay!

Headline: "Has Paizo Given Up On the Kineticist? What Their Latest Minimal Effort Tells Us."


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Mr. Mark Seifter,

If one were to use the playtest Medium should one use the spell list and spells known of the final version?

Scarab Sages

Dear Mark!

I have a somewhat time-critical question, since the answer might influence what kind of character I'll be playing for the next year or two...

I'm preparing a Kineticist for an upcoming campaing, and I'm really excited to finally get the chance to play one. I've been pining for this ever since the playtest came out! :) Since we're playing Hell's Rebels, I'm even going for a Halfling Overwhelming Soul, although everybody is moaning about how bad the OS is. I'll risk it. Between the high Charisma and the Kintargo background, she could go for Air/Air and be an opera singer. :D

However! The main problem I have with Air/Air is how incredibly empty the first five levels are. Sure, flight at 6th is golden, and there's Torrent, Magnetic, and Chain later, but before that, the fun and versatility that other Kineticists get seems lost on the Aero. (I'm sure you agree that Gusting Infusion is rather pointless, and there's nothing appropriate for Electricity...)

So my questions are:

* Will you publish new low-level infusions soon, especially for Air and Electricity? Might we be allowed to get a sneak peek at them?
* If not, would you be willing to give your inofficial blessing on one or two fan-made infusions?

For instance, something harmless but fun such as this would completely sell me on the Aero/Aero:

Buffeting Infusion, 1st level, 1 Burn, air. Whirling eddies tug at the target of your air blast, foiling its balance and imposing a –2 penalty on armor class for one round (Reflex negates).

Shocking Infusion, 2nd level, 2 Burn, electric. The target of your electric blast suffers debilitating muscle spasms, inflicting the Shaken condition for one round (Fort negates). On a critical hit, the target is Stunned instead (reduced to Shaken with a successful save). Only living creatures and robots are susceptible to this infusion.

Whaddya think? :)

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