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Rynjin wrote:
Snapshot?

So the FAQ queue thing broke when they stopped the spam bots. Somebody, Mark said who but I forget the name, Went and manually ran the script/Created a script to get a "Snapshot" or a of what the FAQ queue looked like at that moment.

EDIT: Ninja'd by the man himself


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Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Snapshot?
The tech team still couldn't fix the FAQ Queue, so Robot Chris, in her capacity as Community Glitter-Robot, scraped every FAQ thread up to a certain point by hand and built an Excel file that acts, essentially, as a snapshot of what the FAQ Queue looked like at the time she built it.

Someone needs to give Chris a cake because damn, that's a lotta work.

So he trawls every thread by hand and tallies them?


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I was thinking about giving my player's druid an armor bonus when they use wildshape, something smaller like +1 per 4 druid levels or around there. I really don't like how the only way a druid can get an armor bonus as via an expensive item that brings them from zero armor to all.

Do you think an idea like that could work or better achieved through other means? I was thinking about feats but druids already have at least one automatic feat with natural spell.

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Rynjin wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Snapshot?
The tech team still couldn't fix the FAQ Queue, so Robot Chris, in her capacity as Community Glitter-Robot, scraped every FAQ thread up to a certain point by hand and built an Excel file that acts, essentially, as a snapshot of what the FAQ Queue looked like at the time she built it.

Someone needs to give Chris a cake because damn, that's a lotta work.

So he trawls every thread by hand and tallies them?

She, even.

But basically, yes, to my understanding, but she at least does have access to the set of threads with FAQ clicks (it's what the broken FAQ queue became) that has a bunch of those closed triangles like when you hide one of the subforums, preventing you from doing any kind of search, so she at least doesn't have to look through every post on every thread. When she did this, I told everyone in the FAQ Queue thread to go offer up an apology in the Apologize to Chris Lambertz for all your misdeeds here thread as an offering. If you guys want to send her a cake, I'm sure that would be much better. Being a Community Manager means that most of what she has to deal with are people who are upset with some aspect of the community, and I feel like the ones who usually get desserts sent to us are us in the PDT.

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Seannoss wrote:

I was thinking about giving my player's druid an armor bonus when they use wildshape, something smaller like +1 per 4 druid levels or around there. I really don't like how the only way a druid can get an armor bonus as via an expensive item that brings them from zero armor to all.

Do you think an idea like that could work or better achieved through other means? I was thinking about feats but druids already have at least one automatic feat with natural spell.

Right now, the main options are buying a bunch of different bardings for every form you choose or wild. Mage armor also works as a cheap solution for +4 and seems to be a favorite that I've seen for druids with weird and non-barding friendly wild shape choices (like elementals).


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Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Snapshot?
The tech team still couldn't fix the FAQ Queue, so Robot Chris, in her capacity as Community Glitter-Robot, scraped every FAQ thread up to a certain point by hand and built an Excel file that acts, essentially, as a snapshot of what the FAQ Queue looked like at the time she built it.

Someone needs to give Chris a cake because damn, that's a lotta work.

So he trawls every thread by hand and tallies them?

She, even.

Gah, dammit. I remember now being told that a while back too, but I forgot. I've been carefully avoiding saying either he or she for months now when talking to/about her. =/

Mark Seifter wrote:
But basically, yes, to my understanding, but she at least does have access to the set of threads with FAQ clicks (it's what the broken FAQ queue became) that has a bunch of those closed triangles like when you hide one of the subforums, preventing you from doing any kind of search, so she at least doesn't have to look through every post on every thread. When she did this, I told everyone in the FAQ Queue thread to go offer up an apology in the Apologize to Chris Lambertz for all your misdeeds here thread as an offering. If you guys want to send her a cake, I'm sure that would be much better. Being a Community Manager means that most of what she has to deal with are people who are upset with some aspect of the community, and I feel like the ones who usually get desserts sent to us are us in the PDT.

Chris does a lot of work, that's for sure. IIRC she's also responsible for putting up most of the blog posts? Which from what I understand is a bit of an ordeal with this site. Either that or Liz.


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Mark Seifter wrote:
Right now, the main options are buying a bunch of different bardings for every form you choose or wild. Mage armor also works as a cheap solution for +4 and seems to be a favorite that I've seen for druids with weird and non-barding friendly wild shape choices (like elementals).

Can't elementals wear armour? They turn up wearing it in at least one PFS scenario.

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Rynjin wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Snapshot?
The tech team still couldn't fix the FAQ Queue, so Robot Chris, in her capacity as Community Glitter-Robot, scraped every FAQ thread up to a certain point by hand and built an Excel file that acts, essentially, as a snapshot of what the FAQ Queue looked like at the time she built it.

Someone needs to give Chris a cake because damn, that's a lotta work.

So he trawls every thread by hand and tallies them?

She, even.

Gah, dammit. I remember now being told that a while back too, but I forgot. I've been carefully avoiding saying either he or she for months now when talking to/about her. =/

Mark Seifter wrote:
But basically, yes, to my understanding, but she at least does have access to the set of threads with FAQ clicks (it's what the broken FAQ queue became) that has a bunch of those closed triangles like when you hide one of the subforums, preventing you from doing any kind of search, so she at least doesn't have to look through every post on every thread. When she did this, I told everyone in the FAQ Queue thread to go offer up an apology in the Apologize to Chris Lambertz for all your misdeeds here thread as an offering. If you guys want to send her a cake, I'm sure that would be much better. Being a Community Manager means that most of what she has to deal with are people who are upset with some aspect of the community, and I feel like the ones who usually get desserts sent to us are us in the PDT.

Chris does a lot of work, that's for sure. IIRC she's also responsible for putting up most of the blog posts? Which from what I understand is a bit of an ordeal with this site. Either that or Liz.

She and Liz are a team of two, so I imagine they collaborate on a bunch of stuff, even though they hold separate titles.

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andreww wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Right now, the main options are buying a bunch of different bardings for every form you choose or wild. Mage armor also works as a cheap solution for +4 and seems to be a favorite that I've seen for druids with weird and non-barding friendly wild shape choices (like elementals).
Can't elementals wear armour? They turn up wearing it in at least one PFS scenario.

That's the only time I've ever heard of it (though this isn't the first time I've heard of that adventure), and there's certainly a lot of things that happen in at least one adventure that don't normally happen in the rules.


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Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Snapshot?
The tech team still couldn't fix the FAQ Queue, so Robot Chris, in her capacity as Community Glitter-Robot, scraped every FAQ thread up to a certain point by hand and built an Excel file that acts, essentially, as a snapshot of what the FAQ Queue looked like at the time she built it.

Someone needs to give Chris a cake because damn, that's a lotta work.

So he trawls every thread by hand and tallies them?

She, even.

But basically, yes, to my understanding, but she at least does have access to the set of threads with FAQ clicks (it's what the broken FAQ queue became) that has a bunch of those closed triangles like when you hide one of the subforums, preventing you from doing any kind of search, so she at least doesn't have to look through every post on every thread. When she did this, I told everyone in the FAQ Queue thread to go offer up an apology in the Apologize to Chris Lambertz for all your misdeeds here thread as an offering. If you guys want to send her a cake, I'm sure that would be much better. Being a Community Manager means that most of what she has to deal with are people who are upset with some aspect of the community, and I feel like the ones who usually get desserts sent to us are us in the PDT.

[guilt trip]it would be a shame if she did all of that work and then nothing came of it.[/guilt trip]

So any chance of a FAQ update today?

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Gisher wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Snapshot?
The tech team still couldn't fix the FAQ Queue, so Robot Chris, in her capacity as Community Glitter-Robot, scraped every FAQ thread up to a certain point by hand and built an Excel file that acts, essentially, as a snapshot of what the FAQ Queue looked like at the time she built it.

Someone needs to give Chris a cake because damn, that's a lotta work.

So he trawls every thread by hand and tallies them?

She, even.

But basically, yes, to my understanding, but she at least does have access to the set of threads with FAQ clicks (it's what the broken FAQ queue became) that has a bunch of those closed triangles like when you hide one of the subforums, preventing you from doing any kind of search, so she at least doesn't have to look through every post on every thread. When she did this, I told everyone in the FAQ Queue thread to go offer up an apology in the Apologize to Chris Lambertz for all your misdeeds here thread as an offering. If you guys want to send her a cake, I'm sure that would be much better. Being a Community Manager means that most of what she has to deal with are people who are upset with some aspect of the community, and I feel like the ones who usually get desserts sent to us are us in the PDT.

[guilt trip]it would be a shame if she did all of that work and then nothing came of it.[/guilt trip]

So any chance of a FAQ update today?

Better question!

How do we go about getting the Roobit a cake?


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Rysky wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Snapshot?
The tech team still couldn't fix the FAQ Queue, so Robot Chris, in her capacity as Community Glitter-Robot, scraped every FAQ thread up to a certain point by hand and built an Excel file that acts, essentially, as a snapshot of what the FAQ Queue looked like at the time she built it.

Someone needs to give Chris a cake because damn, that's a lotta work.

So he trawls every thread by hand and tallies them?

She, even.

But basically, yes, to my understanding, but she at least does have access to the set of threads with FAQ clicks (it's what the broken FAQ queue became) that has a bunch of those closed triangles like when you hide one of the subforums, preventing you from doing any kind of search, so she at least doesn't have to look through every post on every thread. When she did this, I told everyone in the FAQ Queue thread to go offer up an apology in the Apologize to Chris Lambertz for all your misdeeds here thread as an offering. If you guys want to send her a cake, I'm sure that would be much better. Being a Community Manager means that most of what she has to deal with are people who are upset with some aspect of the community, and I feel like the ones who usually get desserts sent to us are us in the PDT.

[guilt trip]it would be a shame if she did all of that work and then nothing came of it.[/guilt trip]

So any chance of a FAQ update today?

Better question!

How do we go about getting the Roobit a cake?

And what kind does she like?

Silver Crusade

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Gisher wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Snapshot?
The tech team still couldn't fix the FAQ Queue, so Robot Chris, in her capacity as Community Glitter-Robot, scraped every FAQ thread up to a certain point by hand and built an Excel file that acts, essentially, as a snapshot of what the FAQ Queue looked like at the time she built it.

Someone needs to give Chris a cake because damn, that's a lotta work.

So he trawls every thread by hand and tallies them?

She, even.

But basically, yes, to my understanding, but she at least does have access to the set of threads with FAQ clicks (it's what the broken FAQ queue became) that has a bunch of those closed triangles like when you hide one of the subforums, preventing you from doing any kind of search, so she at least doesn't have to look through every post on every thread. When she did this, I told everyone in the FAQ Queue thread to go offer up an apology in the Apologize to Chris Lambertz for all your misdeeds here thread as an offering. If you guys want to send her a cake, I'm sure that would be much better. Being a Community Manager means that most of what she has to deal with are people who are upset with some aspect of the community, and I feel like the ones who usually get desserts sent to us are us in the PDT.

[guilt trip]it would be a shame if she did all of that work and then nothing came of it.[/guilt trip]

So any chance of a FAQ update today?

Better question!

How do we go about getting the Roobit a cake?

And what kind does she like?

Equally better question!


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Given last week's FAQ, do you think the Arcane Trickster's tricky spell ability should be revised, or do you think it's just primarily to be able to attempt to use a spell while silenced? I'll admit, I thought it was tricky since it wasn't spotted, but I suppose it could be tricky because it gets around such problems...

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Endoralis wrote:

Mark I had a few questions in the Kineticist Guide Thread, What are your thoughts? The was for Omnikinesis was a spelling error I mean Wasn't

Going based on your previous answers can we assume they changed the archetypes in some way? Or was there not enough pagecount for the changes?

Omnikinesis doesn't need any change, but you're absolutely right about metakinetic master. Looks like we missed that one in development, and I missed it in my mini-playtest because it wasn't level 19. Choosing either the breath of life metahealer or the level 17 "heal both" metahealer and reducing the total burn from the chosen metahealer from 2 to 1 (your choice of who doesn't take it) would be most thematically similar to metakinetic master, though allowing you to apply two mercies (or metahealer abilities) to the same heal would also be an appropriate choice. If you get to level 19 with your chirurgeon, I think your GM should let you use one of those two options.

I see I see, Im curious what the thought process was on the tradeouts of Infusion Specialization, Metakinesis and Infernal Buffer were to the KC's abilities?

Was the 3rd level ability supposed to at least count the Kineticist as having Lay on hands for the purposes of feats and other abilities that affect such?

As it Currently is, The KC has no way of reducing any ability but Kinetic healer... but it cant reduce that either from any of its abilities save Internal buffer.. which requires set up the day before and only scales at twice the number. Due to that Omnikinesis always costs burn and since alot of Utility Talents cost burn to use... the KC has no way of reducing those. While the Base Kineticist does. Would it be too much to allow the Buffer to instead be tripled and also apply to Utility Talents? Or at least Omnikinesis as to balance out losing both infusions and infusion Specialization?


Mark Seifter wrote:
Seannoss wrote:

I was thinking about giving my player's druid an armor bonus when they use wildshape, something smaller like +1 per 4 druid levels or around there. I really don't like how the only way a druid can get an armor bonus as via an expensive item that brings them from zero armor to all.

Do you think an idea like that could work or better achieved through other means? I was thinking about feats but druids already have at least one automatic feat with natural spell.

Right now, the main options are buying a bunch of different bardings for every form you choose or wild. Mage armor also works as a cheap solution for +4 and seems to be a favorite that I've seen for druids with weird and non-barding friendly wild shape choices (like elementals).

I'm unclear on this, myself. Does the recent FAQ mean that a druid in medium or heavy wild armor cannot fly in that armor?


Mark Seifter wrote:


No offense taken, especially since I wasn't even at the company when the archetype was written. However, as a general fan of the more "cloistered" side of clerics myself as well, I (and many others), think the archetype is pretty cool. Its existence won't stop me from working on other similar options in the future, of course.

Fair enough.... good to hear the possibility of future "clothy clerics"!

Is there a chance of Paizo ever doing a version of the 3.5 Archivist? An INT based divine caster would be great!

Also has the door closed on any future ACG errata? During play testing it was a shame there was no thread geared towards feedback on archetypes. Without wanting to step on toes, I had some ideas for tweaking the Ecclesitheurge?


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Mark Seifter wrote:
That's the only time I've ever heard of it (though this isn't the first time I've heard of that adventure), and there's certainly a lot of things that happen in at least one adventure that don't normally happen in the rules.

Given that elementals can choose their own shape and are often depicted as being generally humanoid is there any reason they couldn't wear armour? Likewise something that is rather unclear is whether you can cast spells while in elemental form. They can clearly speak as they have a language but it isn't clear if they can complete somatic components. Obviously druids can get by with Natural Spell but it is unclear if people using Elemental Body can.

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Mark, how exactly would a witch use water lung to sleep? She can't use cackle to extend it to keep water lung going until she falls asleep. Although I like the imagery of that. Does it just turn on automatically? Or does she begin sleeping when she drops unconscious from drowning and it activates auto-magically?


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Mark, you worked on the Unchained Rogue talents, yes? Do you feel that making the Eldritch Raider Minor and Major Eldritch Magic talents scale the same way as the Unchained Major Magic would be fair? They scale 1-to-1 in uses to Chained Major Magic but obviously getting uses equal to half your Rogue level scales differently between first and third level spells.

Obviously this would be a house game so whatever works, works. But I'm curious to hear your opinion on it and if you feel it would overshadow non-Eldritch Raiders heavily.


Quick question about Automatic Bonus Progression: Does a character have to be attuned to a weapon to benefit from its special abilities?

IE If I'm a melee-focused fighter attuned to my two daggers who carries a flaming longbow for ranged support, do I benefit from the flaming special ability when I use the bow even though I'm not attuned to it?

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Is the ranger combat feat Eldritch Fangs the same thing as Eldritch Claws? Outside of the a style feat list, I can find no mention of the first feat.

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Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
Mark, how exactly would a witch use water lung to sleep? She can't use cackle to extend it to keep water lung going until she falls asleep. Although I like the imagery of that. Does it just turn on automatically? Or does she begin sleeping when she drops unconscious from drowning and it activates auto-magically?

There is no use limit on water lung. She can keep applying it to herself every minute until she is unconscious.


I imagine it would be hard to sleep casting spell like abilities. They require concentration, and I don't know about you, but the kind of stuff that requires concentration keeps me awake when I'm trying to sleep.

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andreww wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Right now, the main options are buying a bunch of different bardings for every form you choose or wild. Mage armor also works as a cheap solution for +4 and seems to be a favorite that I've seen for druids with weird and non-barding friendly wild shape choices (like elementals).
Can't elementals wear armour? They turn up wearing it in at least one PFS scenario.

That PFS scenario notes that they've been given special training to do that. It's not a normal elemental thing.

Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
Mark, how exactly would a witch use water lung to sleep? She can't use cackle to extend it to keep water lung going until she falls asleep. Although I like the imagery of that. Does it just turn on automatically? Or does she begin sleeping when she drops unconscious from drowning and it activates auto-magically?

Easy. The hex says the witch can extend it, so she can. You don't need to think into it any further than that.


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Jeff Merola wrote:
andreww wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Right now, the main options are buying a bunch of different bardings for every form you choose or wild. Mage armor also works as a cheap solution for +4 and seems to be a favorite that I've seen for druids with weird and non-barding friendly wild shape choices (like elementals).
Can't elementals wear armour? They turn up wearing it in at least one PFS scenario.
That PFS scenario notes that they've been given special training to do that. It's not a normal elemental thing.

I'd imagine that implies they can, say, buy Light Armor Proficiency as a Feat though, which means Elementals are CAPABLE OF wearing armor, even if most don't have the training to properly do so.


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Considering elementals can be humanoid and are shapechangers I'm not exactly sure why they wouldn't be able to wear armour....

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thegreenteagamer wrote:
I imagine it would be hard to sleep casting spell like abilities. They require concentration, and I don't know about you, but the kind of stuff that requires concentration keeps me awake when I'm trying to sleep.

Nah. Repeatedly using your spell-like abilities is like counting sheep for witches.


Jeff Merola wrote:
That PFS scenario notes that they've been given special training to do that. It's not a normal elemental thing.

If you look at the relevant stat blocks the fire elementals are wearing regular mithril chain shirts which impose no penalty, the magma elementals actually have armour proficiency feats in place of some of their regular ones.

It rather strongly suggests that there is no reason why an elemental could not wear armour which would make sense given they are regularly depicted as humanoid.

As far as the mention of training goes that only refers to the use of weapons and presumably refers to the fire elementals having weapon proficiency feats.


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Since we now know Wood and Void elementals weren't included in Bestiary 5, what creatures would you use as a substitute for Spark of Life until/if we do ?


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How does the burn system from kineticists work in regards to simulacrums ?

Are simulacrums still allowed to use summoning abilities (including summon monster spells, spark of life ) ?


When we get the simulacrum blog, could we get one for Animate Object too, possibly to help with use with Aether Puppet ?

Also, when using the spell Animate Objects, can that object be created with more Construction points than the base amount you get from it's size ? The information under the creature listing says that having more CP would raise CR but not whether the spell is capable of doing it.


Mark, I think my question got missed in the shuffle.

How do "imbue with spell ability" and "spellcasting contract" work when cast by spontaneous casters such as oracles?

The issue is the spells specifically refer to prepared spells of which (most) oracles have none.

Are most oracles simply out of luck?

imbue with spell ability::

Imbue with Spell Ability
School evocation; Level cleric 4
Casting Time 10 minutes
Components V, S, DF
Range touch
Target creature touched; see text
Duration permanent until discharged (D)
Saving Throw Will negates (harmless); Spell Resistance yes (harmless)
You transfer some of your currently prepared spells, and the ability to cast them, to another creature. Only a creature with an Intelligence score of at least 5 and a Wisdom score of at least 9 can receive this boon. Only cleric spells from the schools of abjuration, divination, and conjuration (healing) can be transferred. The number and level of spells that the subject can be granted depends on its Hit Dice; even multiple castings of imbue with spell ability can't exceed this limit.
HD of Recipient Spells Imbued
2 or lower One 1st-level spell
3–4 One or two 1st-level spells
5 or higher One or two 1st-level spells and one 2nd-level spell
The transferred spell's variable characteristics (range, duration, area, and the like) function according to your level, not the level of the recipient.

Once you cast imbue with spell ability, you cannot prepare a new 4th-level spell to replace it until the recipient uses the imbued spells or is slain, or until you dismiss the imbue with spell ability spell. In the meantime, you remain responsible to your deity or your principles for the use to which the spell is put. If the number of 4th-level spells you can cast decreases, and that number drops below your current number of active imbue with spell ability spells, the more recently cast imbued spells are dispelled.

To cast a spell with a verbal component, the subject must be able to speak. To cast a spell with a somatic component, it must be able to move freely. To cast a spell with a material component or focus, it must have the materials or focus.

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MichaelCullen wrote:

Mark, I think my question got missed in the shuffle.

How do "imbue with spell ability" and "spellcasting contract" work when cast by spontaneous casters such as oracles?

The issue is the spells specifically refer to prepared spells of which (most) oracles have none.

Are most oracles simply out of luck?

** spoiler omitted **...

Right here. ^_^


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I clearly failed my perception check. I looked and searched like 4 times. Man that's bad.

With the understanding that imbue with spell ability and spellcasting contract(lesser) would not work with spontaneous casters because they require spells prepared.

Could a spontaneous caster get around that requirement with wish, limited wish or miracle. Relying on the clause in those spells allowing them to, "Produce any other effect whose power level is in line with the above effects". Effectively swapping spell prepared for spell known and spell per day available?

I am looking for ways for spontaneous casters to grant spells per day and limited wish, wish and miracle may be my best bet.


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You could do so with THIS feat.

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hi,mark!

does the eidolon gain the benefit and weaknesses of it's Alignment subtype? such as chaotic, evil, lawful,and good subtype.


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If you could cast the Create Demiplane spell, what kind of demiplane would you build ?


Do you think there will ever be a mythic ability/feat to progress elemental overflow further ?


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Actually the question of Mythic material for Occult classes in general is a good one. They're neither Arcane or Divine, so classes like the Psychic are s@&& outta luck when it comes to Mythic paths, mostly.


Mark, could you settle a dispute between me and a friend? Does Rapid Shot and Haste stack? Can I get two extra shots in during a full round attack?


Add two-weapon fighting, quick draw, and thrown weapons to that rapid shot conundrum. :-)


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Spermy The Cat wrote:
Mark, could you settle a dispute between me and a friend? Does Rapid Shot and Haste stack? Can I get two extra shots in during a full round attack?

Why wouldn't they 'stack'?


Gisher wrote:
Spermy The Cat wrote:
Mark, could you settle a dispute between me and a friend? Does Rapid Shot and Haste stack? Can I get two extra shots in during a full round attack?
Why wouldn't they 'stack'?

According to my friend, "This effect is not cumulative with similar effects" means absolutely everything that would grant you an extra attack. He wants an errata or Word of God saying, explicitly, what Haste can stack with, Rapid Shot or other.

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How is Rapid Shot any different than a Monk spending a ki point in a flurry of blows?

Per the linked FAQ, "The extra attack described in the ki pool ability doesn't say it works like haste, nor does it say that it doesn't stack with haste, so the monk would get two additional attacks (one from spending a ki point as part of a flurry, one from haste)."

In order not to stack Rapid Shot would need to explicitly state it doesn't stack, not explicitly say it does.


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Clear example of a GM thinks a combo is too powerful and wants to ban it by twisting the rules to meet his opinion rather than just admitting he doesn't like that a player is more powerful than be expected.

See also - Heaven Forbid I Just Up The Power Level of the Bad Guys


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thegreenteagamer wrote:

Clear example of a GM thinks a combo is too powerful and wants to ban it by twisting the rules to meet his opinion rather than just admitting he doesn't like that a player is more powerful than be expected.

See also - Heaven Forbid I Just Up The Power Level of the Bad Guys

Hey now, he may be difficult to work with sometimes, but he's my best friend. Let's keep this clean, Ok?

Imbicatus wrote:

How is Rapid Shot any different than a Monk spending a ki point in a flurry of blows?

Per the linked FAQ, "The extra attack described in the ki pool ability doesn't say it works like haste, nor does it say that it doesn't stack with haste, so the monk would get two additional attacks (one from spending a ki point as part of a flurry, one from haste)."

In order not to stack Rapid Shot would need to explicitly state it doesn't stack, not explicitly say it does.

I showed him that last night, and he didn't accept that. Or the Fast Bombs one.


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Spermy The Cat wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Spermy The Cat wrote:
Mark, could you settle a dispute between me and a friend? Does Rapid Shot and Haste stack? Can I get two extra shots in during a full round attack?
Why wouldn't they 'stack'?
According to my friend, "This effect is not cumulative with similar effects" means absolutely everything that would grant you an extra attack. He wants an errata or Word of God saying, explicitly, what Haste can stack with, Rapid Shot or other.

Your name is Spermy the Cat!

How has No one brought this up yet!

:-D


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Spermy The Cat wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:

Clear example of a GM thinks a combo is too powerful and wants to ban it by twisting the rules to meet his opinion rather than just admitting he doesn't like that a player is more powerful than be expected.

See also - Heaven Forbid I Just Up The Power Level of the Bad Guys

Hey now, he may be difficult to work with sometimes, but he's my best friend. Let's keep this clean, Ok?

Imbicatus wrote:

How is Rapid Shot any different than a Monk spending a ki point in a flurry of blows?

Per the linked FAQ, "The extra attack described in the ki pool ability doesn't say it works like haste, nor does it say that it doesn't stack with haste, so the monk would get two additional attacks (one from spending a ki point as part of a flurry, one from haste)."

In order not to stack Rapid Shot would need to explicitly state it doesn't stack, not explicitly say it does.

I showed him that last night, and he didn't accept that. Or the Fast Bombs one.

My apologies. I had full blown snark mode on. It was uncalled for. :-( I'm trying to be less of a jerk lately.


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Spermy The Cat wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Spermy The Cat wrote:
Mark, could you settle a dispute between me and a friend? Does Rapid Shot and Haste stack? Can I get two extra shots in during a full round attack?
Why wouldn't they 'stack'?
According to my friend, "This effect is not cumulative with similar effects" means absolutely everything that would grant you an extra attack. He wants an errata or Word of God saying, explicitly, what Haste can stack with, Rapid Shot or other.

Weird. By that reasoning Haste shouldn't stack with iterative attacks either. So no Haste with TWF or Spell Combat/Spellstrike combos? None of the things we've mentioned magically speed you up the way that Haste or a Speed weapon do so they aren't 'similar effects.'

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