Best way to use Reach Weapons


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Grand Lodge

Seriously, Armor Spikes.

You said you wanted to go Fighter, and they are certainly proficient with them.

By the way, what's your race?


I'd take a look at the meteor hammer. You will need to use a feat for exotic weapon proficency or spend 1500 on a cracked ioun stone but the weapon can be reach or non-reach as decided by you on the start of your turn. You also can get a free +1 AC out of the deal as well as have a weapon that cand be both silver and cold iron (each side of the weapon). All in all it's not a bad investment of a feat.

Silver Crusade

blackbloodtroll wrote:
Seriously, Armor Spikes.

Now I recall that the armor spikes were also quite useful for flanking purposes. I very rarely attacked with them, but there were quite a few instances when allies were able to get a +2 flank bonus due to the armor spikes. Probably worth the 10 lb weight for a strong PC.

Grand Lodge

You can get Mithral Armor Spikes. Halves the weight, and counts as silver.


Imbicatus wrote:
Insain Dragoon wrote:
ShadowDax wrote:
Insain Dragoon wrote:
Cap. Darling wrote:
2ndGenerationCleric wrote:
Free action let go of weapon with one hand, strike enemy with spiked gauntlet, free action regrab weapon.
You dont threaten, within 5ft. if you hold the reach weapon with the gauntlet hand. And the free actions are also not really part of the attack and therefore not doable outsideren your own turn.
How do fighters threaten with bows on AoOs? Since drawing an arrow is a free action and one needs an arrow to fire a bow.
The feats snapshot, and improved snapshot I believe.

Those feats have no language allowing the player to make free actions out of your turn, so you cannot make those AoOs because you can't make a free action to draw the arrow. At least that's how it works if you say you can't AoO while wearing a gauntlet since it's a free action to remove your hand from the polearm.

Either they both work pr neither work.

Per the FAQ, Snap Shot allows you to reload your weapon as part of the ranged attack attack of opportunity, as long as you can reload your weapon with a free action.

This.


Cap. Darling wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
Insain Dragoon wrote:
ShadowDax wrote:
Insain Dragoon wrote:
Cap. Darling wrote:
2ndGenerationCleric wrote:
Free action let go of weapon with one hand, strike enemy with spiked gauntlet, free action regrab weapon.
You dont threaten, within 5ft. if you hold the reach weapon with the gauntlet hand. And the free actions are also not really part of the attack and therefore not doable outsideren your own turn.
How do fighters threaten with bows on AoOs? Since drawing an arrow is a free action and one needs an arrow to fire a bow.
The feats snapshot, and improved snapshot I believe.

Those feats have no language allowing the player to make free actions out of your turn, so you cannot make those AoOs because you can't make a free action to draw the arrow. At least that's how it works if you say you can't AoO while wearing a gauntlet since it's a free action to remove your hand from the polearm.

Either they both work pr neither work.

Per the FAQ, Snap Shot allows you to reload your weapon as part of the ranged attack attack of opportunity, as long as you can reload your weapon with a free action.
This.

I love inconsistent rules.

Free actions are ok on AoOs because I arbitrarily decided that bows should be able to. Not gonna put this in reprintings of the rulebook that specifically for this one case you can make free actions as part of you AoO, but instead will place it into a FAQ.


Insain Dragoon wrote:
Cap. Darling wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
Insain Dragoon wrote:
ShadowDax wrote:
Insain Dragoon wrote:
Cap. Darling wrote:
2ndGenerationCleric wrote:
Free action let go of weapon with one hand, strike enemy with spiked gauntlet, free action regrab weapon.
You dont threaten, within 5ft. if you hold the reach weapon with the gauntlet hand. And the free actions are also not really part of the attack and therefore not doable outsideren your own turn.
How do fighters threaten with bows on AoOs? Since drawing an arrow is a free action and one needs an arrow to fire a bow.
The feats snapshot, and improved snapshot I believe.

Those feats have no language allowing the player to make free actions out of your turn, so you cannot make those AoOs because you can't make a free action to draw the arrow. At least that's how it works if you say you can't AoO while wearing a gauntlet since it's a free action to remove your hand from the polearm.

Either they both work pr neither work.

Per the FAQ, Snap Shot allows you to reload your weapon as part of the ranged attack attack of opportunity, as long as you can reload your weapon with a free action.
This.

I love inconsistent rules.

Free actions are ok on AoOs because I arbitrarily decided that bows should be able to. Not gonna put this in reprintings of the rulebook that specifically for this one case you can make free actions as part of you AoO, but instead will place it into a FAQ.

to me it makes Perfect sense. If the free action is part of an other action and you get that action for free then you can do it. I think it was spelled out cleare in 3.0 or 3.5 but it still makes sense. At least to me.:)


So you would agree that someone could free action ungrip polearm, AoO with gauntlet, then regrip polearm?

Grand Lodge

Why bother with a Gauntlet?

It doesn't work. Even if you disagree, then why would you want to fight that battle, when Armor Spikes works RAW with out any finagling, or debate.


Because the rules in this game often lack internal consistency and that's bad game design.

Grand Lodge

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Insain Dragoon wrote:
Because the rules in this game often lack internal consistency and that's bad game design.

There is already another thread, in the Rules Forum, where you can discuss this.

If you don't want to necro it, then create a new one, and discuss it in in the proper place.


Insain Dragoon wrote:
So you would agree that someone could free action ungrip polearm, AoO with gauntlet, then regrip polearm?

No because you dont get a AoO with both hands on the polearm.

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