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Scott Romanowski wrote:

Another status report:

I reported a scenario tonight. I now have 46 GM session listed, two of which are "GM ranking +2". My total used to be 49 tables.

Sorry, I forgot to mention the important fact: the web site only lists me as having 42 tables of credit. I should have 50.


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Getting closer guys. I am sitting at 82 so 98 isn't far off now.... appreciate the work you are putting in on this.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Some mising ones reappeared. Now on 74/78 - most likely the 4 modules I ran are counting as 1

Silver Crusade

Hmm... I think mine improved since yesterday, too. I think it had me in the low 40s, and now it says 47. I believe it should be 53, so it's closer.

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We had a small change with yesterday's site roll that should have improved these numbers vastly. Again, I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused. I'm hoping to give the last straggling products a good kick back into place before PaizoCon gets here.

Scarab Sages

Chris,
My thanks to you, the tech team, and anyone else involved in resolving the table credit issue. I know with both Paizocon and GenCon on the horizon, everyone there is swamped with their respective preparations. I just wanted to make sure I passed on my appreciation to all involved and my thanks for another reminder of why I chose Pathfinder as my tabletop RPG of choice.

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

I second Preston's thoughts.

Hopefully this could be helpful info. It seems as though I have a single count for all of my tables run but the ones that garner 2 credit (APs and such) are only counting for one. That's what it seems like anyway when I do the math.

RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

I've got my stars back!

But I'm still missing 2 tables of credit, FYI, and I don't think I've ever GM'd a module

The Exchange

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Mine is in significantly better shape today as well! Yay!

Of non-missing reports, I am currently at 92 tables run. Doing a count, that number should be 93, so there is apparently still one scenario not being counted. On the plus side, all of my modules DO count as 2 table credits except for Master of the Fallen Fortress, and I am not sure that one is intended to count as 2, since it was a Free RPG day module, and not a full-length module.

The other upshot of this is that just the other night, at PlayOnCon, I ran hard mode Waking Rune for my 100th table credit. Now I EXTRA wish my stars were showing up!

Good work, website team, and thanks for chasing these geese around for us!

Liberty's Edge

Starfinder Superscriber

The system tells me I have 30 tables of credit, which is still a few short (it should be 33 assuming modules are worth 2, I believe). I still seem only to have one star, though.

Will watch and see what happens....

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Card Game, Companion, Pawns Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Very close for me now. Shows 85 table credits and it was at 89 at the start of this.

Looks like it only applied 1 table credit for Master of the Fallen Fortress. Before it gave 2 credits but it may be correct now. I am not sure.

I am also not showing table credits for scenarios that I have run more than once or did not apply GM credit toward. I only have 3 of these.

Thought this information might be helpful.


Got most of my credits back, still missing 14 I think.

Problems noted with We Be Goblins and Master of Fallen Fortress mainly, they are not giving the Extra Table credits for Modules yet. Also it's omitting credit for additional reruns GM'ing We be Goblins. It says I ran the Module earlier and gives 0 credit for running it again.

I hope this helps.

I know it's going to be rough having Paizocom and having to explain to new players/GM's why they are not getting the proper credit. With D&D Next coming out tomorrow it may cost us Pathfinder GM's players!
I certainly hope the program is fixed and all credit restored before Gencon, that would be much more embarrassing and costly in terms of getting new players/GM's.

Liberty's Edge

Starfinder Superscriber

Eh, I wouldn't worry about this costing players or GMs. It's transient. And, newer players aren't going to be terribly concerned about credit; they may not even realize that there's an online credit system. For players, it really doesn't matter; it's a backup to the real system, which is the chronicle sheets they carry around. GMs probably don't get too concerned about their credits until they are approaching their first shiny star, and at that point they're committed by having GMed 20 or more games.

Silver Crusade

Heya Chris,

Hope the ramp up to PaizoCon isn't killing y'all... Here is some more feedback.

Back up to 108 tables, still only 3 stars which is kinda weird, but we're getting close, the actual total is up to 115. As others have reported the difference looks to be how the free RPG day modules are reporting. (Just my 2¢... They really should count as 1 table since they are a 5hour session...)

Shadow Lodge

Looks like the Free RPG producs are the ones lacking ... Im Missing 12 that I can see (maybe a few more that Im missing)

Grand Lodge

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Mine is still wrong; I'm now showing 42 tables of credit where as I think I should have 57.

Grand Lodge

Well, getting better, still no there yet.

81 tables of credit showing, should be 91 or 92 I think.

Known or suspected anomalies:
Free RPG Modules:
2011-03-18 Pathfinder Module: Master of the Fallen Fortress (PFRPG)
2011-06-18 Pathfinder Module: We Be Goblins! (PFRPG)
2014-05-18 Pathfinder Module: Master of the Fallen Fortress (PFRPG)

Retired scenarios:
2010-11-12 #11: The Third Riddle (OGL) PDF (Retired)
2011-09-02 Intro 2: First Steps—Part II: To Delve the Dungeon Deep (PFRPG) PDF (Retired)
2011-09-16 Intro 3: First Steps—Part III: A Vision of Betrayal (PFRPG) PDF (Retired)
2012-01-14 Intro 3: First Steps—Part III: A Vision of Betrayal (PFRPG) PDF (Retired)

Rerun Tier 1-2 modules:
2013-10-18 Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep (PFRPG) - The Accursed Halls
2013-12-21 Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep (PFRPG) - The Accursed Halls
2014-03-15 Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep (PFRPG) - The Accursed Halls
Given the error message with these tables, they may be counting as 0 tables.

And, of course, I am scheduled to run Accursed Halls this coming Sunday. Heh.

I think those are the ones providing reporting issues for GM table credit count.

Silver Crusade

I'm still missing close to 20 table credits. I do think that the free RPG day scenarios and modules might be the problem. Specially Master of the Fallen Fortress keeps saying player has already run that and keeps stating April 7, 2014 no matter which one of my new characters I run and apply the new table credit to. That and my stars show one day and don't next day. Not sure if this helps but I ran a scenario at Virtuacon last year and it's listed under my sessions as session 19. Does that mean they trying to give me 19 credits for 1 game or is that the session number of the scenario I ran?

Silver Crusade

I'm short 6 tables, I believe. I don't see any pattern. Unlike others, I haven't run any of the free RPG day modules, and I've only run one normal module. The rest are standard scenarios. Unless First Steps doesn't count as "standard". But I've GMed those more than 6 times.

Actually, I just counted, and I GMed the two retired First Steps scenarios exactly 6 times combined. So retired scenarios are the only things I can find that exactly match the number of tables I'm missing.


Right now I show as having 60 something tables of credit, which I'm fairly certain is short about 10 or so tables, but only 2 GM stars. I know I was at 3, working towards 4.

I'm at a convention right now but I'll take a closer look when I get back.

Shadow Lodge

I got two tables back, but still no new star and still missing an unknown number (under 10).

Of the ones Kinoven listed, these are the one's I'm most inclined to think (at least for me).

Pathfinder Module: Master of the Fallen Fortress
First Steps—Part II: To Delve the Dungeon Deep
First Steps—Part III: A Vision of Betrayal
(add)The Confirmation

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Thanks for the hard work on this Chris.

I'm still approximately 20 short.

I now have 107 credit and 3 stars.

Grand Lodge

<Magistry> Athansor wrote:

Right now I show as having 60 something tables of credit, which I'm fairly certain is short about 10 or so tables, but only 2 GM stars. I know I was at 3, working towards 4.

I'm at a convention right now but I'll take a closer look when I get back.

I think it only updates stars when a session is reported. I went to report a session and deleted the session without saving it and the stars updated. You might try that.

Accursed Halls seems to be counting for me now.

We Be Goblins and We Be Goblins Too seem to still not be being counted though (which accounts for the 10 missing credits for me).

Shadow Lodge

I'm still missing a bunch. :(

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Big improvement, stars showed up again. On 75/78 tables.
This rules out modules in general, as I ran more than 3.

If we be Goblins and the Thornkeep modules are reporting as 1 each, the missing numbers could be explained, no other combo makes sense in my list....except random missing ones which would be a pain to debug.

Hope this helps finding the causes for the discrepancies reported by many

Shadow Lodge

kinevon wrote:


Known or suspected anomalies:
Free RPG Modules:
2011-03-18 Pathfinder Module: Master of the Fallen Fortress (PFRPG)
2011-06-18 Pathfinder Module: We Be Goblins! (PFRPG)
2014-05-18 Pathfinder Module: Master of the Fallen Fortress (PFRPG)

Retired scenarios:
2010-11-12 #11: The Third Riddle (OGL) PDF (Retired)
2011-09-02 Intro 2: First Steps—Part II: To Delve the Dungeon Deep (PFRPG) PDF (Retired)
2011-09-16 Intro 3: First Steps—Part III: A Vision of Betrayal (PFRPG) PDF (Retired)
2012-01-14 Intro 3: First Steps—Part III: A Vision of Betrayal (PFRPG) PDF (Retired)

Rerun Tier 1-2 modules:
2013-10-18 Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep (PFRPG) - The Accursed Halls
2013-12-21 Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep (PFRPG) - The Accursed Halls
2014-03-15 Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep (PFRPG) - The Accursed Halls
Given the error message with these tables, they may be counting as 0 tables.

Add to list of suspected

We Be Goblins Too
Dawn of the Scarlet Sun
Risen from the Sands

I had a scenario that wasn't showing up for me period

after some probing and trying other things I THINK if an event does not have a reported date it will not show up in the system

you may look at trying to duplicate that on your end

also while at PaizoCon I spoke to CS about this issue and was told this is a display issue on our end ... apparently their end still shows everything


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

[ update ]

Well I have 3 Stars again which makes feel warm and fuzzy , but am still tables short - I was just short of my fourth star and now am sitting at just under 20 behind which means I am not so happy I work hard for my stars and my fourth lets me run specials.

Could the table count have something to do with the weighting of tables for credit. Some games originally were worth two credits and are now worth one after a particular date? is that correct/likely?

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

As far as I can tell, at present, what has changed is that the Free RPG Day modules no longer grant +2 to GM ranking...?

Shadow Lodge

Luke_Parry wrote:
As far as I can tell, at present, what has changed is that the Free RPG Day modules no longer grant +2 to GM ranking...?

Pretty sure that's not the case for a couple of reasons

1 ) I was over 150 (158 or so IIRC) before the bug hit ... now Im just getting back to 140 so the math doesn't work (I only have 6 that aren't showing GM+2)

2) that would be a fairly significant change and I would trust that we would be alerted to that fact if it indeed were to happen ... not a situation like this that leaves us guessing

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

It is definitely part of the problem though. The free RPG day modules no longer show GM+2 over to the side. While Thornkeep does show the GM+2
(those are the only modules I have run for PFS).


For the free RPG modules it never made sense to me why they were +2 GM credit when they took only one slot to run. If that is Paizo's intention I wish they would just announce that and give the reasoning behind it.

The Exchange

roysier wrote:
For the free RPG modules it never made sense to me why they were +2 GM credit when they took only one slot to run. If that is Paizo's intention I wish they would just announce that and give the reasoning behind it.

I agree that it does not make sense. Probably what happened was all "modules" got folded into the same category when the campaign manager asked the website team to give x2 credit for modules. After the Free RPG Day issue was recognized, the manager either A) didn't want to strip away the extra credit that had been granted, or B) didn't want to bother the swamped website team with another request. This was likely part of the system that Mike inherited.

Last year at GenCon the campaign arranged We Be Goblins! & We Be Goblins Too! in 2.5 hour mini slots, expecting volunteers to sprint the players through the adventure in half the time it normally takes. None of the volunteers were enthusiastic about it, but imagine if you did this for 10 slots. You'd go from zero Stars to 2 Stars (40 sessions) in the space of 4 days! You'd probably go crazy and start a fire in your hotel room before the con ended ;)

Shadow Lodge

I don't disagree however I trust that Paizo or PFS would make an announcement that free RPG Day stuff was being made 1 credit

we aren't dealing with an MMO here where Stealth nerfs are common

furthermore ... a change of that magnitude would likely be started at GenCon ... rather than 2 months before

Campaign Coordinators have always been very good about being very crystal clear when they make decisions of this magnitude

Silver Crusade

They've already said there's a bug in their web site, not an intentional change. Besides, some of us have incorrect counts without ever having run any of those modules.

Shadow Lodge

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I have 88 of 117... really just posting so I can find it in "my posts" section because it keeps taking me forever to find this thread waiting on updates.


roysier wrote:
For the free RPG modules it never made sense to me why they were +2 GM credit when they took only one slot to run. If that is Paizo's intention I wish they would just announce that and give the reasoning behind it.

They are probably giving the GM's extra credit for recruiting new players to the game, which is what most of the Free RPG Day modules are best for... a GOOD idea if you ask me.

Anyway, I'm still short of table count. Which brings to mind the old adage...
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
I saw no problem with the site/program before so why did someone start reprogramming it?

Silver Crusade

Things seem to be improving every few days. I should have 150 table credits now, although it shows 142.

Silver Crusade

My count now shows 53. It should be 54, but the one that's missing is last night's game that I haven't logged yet. :P So as far as I can tell, Paizo's software is now accurate.

Edit: Just added last night's session: up to 54, as it should be. 6 more sessions to that 3rd star. :)

Liberty's Edge

Starfinder Superscriber

Yep, I'm at 35, which is also what I believe I'm supposed to be at. (Based on my excessively anal PFS scenarios spreadsheet....) Things seem to be fixed.

Paizo Glitterati Robot

Yup, coulda sworn I posted before leaving the office, but I was able to track down the final problem in our system. If you notice anything else missing, please let us know :)

Silver Crusade

Chris Lambertz wrote:
Yup, coulda sworn I posted before leaving the office, but I was able to track down the final problem in our system. If you notice anything else missing, please let us know :)

Thanks!

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

I do appear to still be down a single table out of all of mine. Haven't a clue which one it could be however.

Grand Lodge

Like TOZ, I am short either one or two tables of credit.

I show 92 tables, copying my GM credits into a spreadsheet, setting a value of 1 for scenarios, 2 for the modules, and 0 for the reported Beginner Box Bash, I get 93.

If the BBB actually gives a table credit, for having run all four encounters, I should be at 94, instead.

All the numbers look good, although most, but not all, of the repeat Thornkeep Accursed Halls sessions give the already run message. As far as I can see, all the modules show the GM Rating +2 message.

Grand Lodge

I will check mine again later and compare against chronicles but I envy the guys who kept it all in spreadsheets. Would be a lot easier for me.

Edit: found one with a double claim for the Confirmation but I believe its a multi play for level 1s and that you can play it once with a level 2. Have emailed a report back via the link on the sessions page.

There is some missing credit for recent events but I am unsure if thats because they haven't been reported yet or not.

Grand Lodge

I am still off by 8 or 9 tables. I'll do a thorough double check when I wake up this morning, but I was at 130 when the troubles started, ran a couple of games at Paizocon, one of which has been reported, and now sit at 122.


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Shadow Lodge

I am missing one as well. It is showing 39, and when I counted (twice) I counted 40. Much closer, though.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Card Game, Companion, Pawns Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

My numbers and stars look correct now. 90 table credits and 3 stars. Thanks.

The Exchange

I'm still down a significant number (45) from my pre-glitch amount.

Silver Crusade

One issue seems to be that We be Goblins Too! is not showing GM ranking +2.

Assuming that is the issue with my table credits then that still does not resolve the entire problem. My only guess at that point would be that perhaps the retired scenarios are not part of the tally. (First steps II and First steps III)

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