Mark Thomas 66 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16 |
Mark Thomas 66 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16 |
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aboyd wrote:Will is about willpower, or your brain. Why would being able to bench press 400 pounds mean your brain is strong?If will are connected to brain does that mean int giving a willpower ?
Also some spell are torturing not charm. Using will saves. I think STR will reduce the pain.
It has to do with your mind's resilience, the ability to endure, not the intellect. Wisdom is sort of like Con for mental stats.
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Why? Because it's been that way for 20 years, with wisdom adding to generic will saves since D&D 3.0. Even before that wisdom was the stat to add a generic magic defense bonus.
So, the answer is tradition.
But aside from that, physical stat don't at all make sense for mental resilience. I could see an argument for making any of the mental stats add to will saves, and have considered house ruling being able to add either Wisdom or Charisma to will saves.
Mark Thomas 66 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16 |
There was even a 3.0 fest for that. Force of Personality added Cha to Will saves.
I'm pretty sure that one didn't make the transition because it made Sorcerers mentally unassailable and mentally tougher than Wizards. Didn't quite go with decades of extensive training vs I'm a badass because I was born that way
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I find it weird.
Where are you from? What is your native language?
I wager this is a language issue: "Strength" can mean many things in English, potentially including "mental strength" or "the ability to endure hardship or resist or fight" - but in D&D/Pathfinder, the word "Strength" has always meant "physical prowess".
Some helpful examples of famous characters with very high Strength:
Heracles (Greek mythology)
The Juggernaut (Marvel Comics)
Superman (DC Comics)
Samson (Jewish mythology)
The Tick (independent comics/TV mythos)
Some of these characters might also have "strong" willpower (using a different definition of the same word), but not necessarily (in fact, some of the ones I mentioned are specifically well-known for "strong body, weak mind").
By contrast, examples of famous characters that would be considered, were they D&D/Pathfinder characters, to have very high Wisdom, and probably "strong" willpower (there's that word again, I can see why you might be confused) as well:
Cpt. Jean-Luc Picard (Star Trek)
Professor Charles Xavier (Marvel Comics)
Ra's al Ghul (DC Comics)
Sherlock Holmes (Victorian literature)
Socrates (historical figure)
The trouble with "Wisdom" is that it's the least well-defined of the 6 D&D stats (and the one I'm least satisfied with): Common sense, judgment, senses, piety, and willpower?!? It's kind of a goulash. It isn't even clear that the Biblical King Solomon would be considered to have a high "Wisdom" - in D&D/Pathfinder terms, he might have had a high Intelligence, and not a particularly high Wisdom at all...so that's another word to be wary of, I'm afraid.