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I've searched, but my google-fu is weak. I know there has been a ton of questions on sacred summons and it being no where close to as awesome as it initially appears. My question pertains to the synergy (or lack thereof) between these two feats. More specifically, my character is a NG cleric of Sarenrae (a NG deity). Will I be able to cast as a standard action the NG animals listed under the summon good monster creature list?
Sacred Summons only works with "creatures whose alignment subtype or subtypes exactly match your aura". So a silvanshee (with the good subtype) would qualify, but a Pseudodragon (which doesn't) would not.
The more specific question is whether the Celestial template adds alignment subtypes to the creatures it affects. Since there's nothing in the description of the template that says it does, it doesn't. So they aren't affected by Sacred Summons.
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Sacred Summons only works with "creatures whose alignment subtype or subtypes exactly match your aura". So a silvanshee (with the good subtype) would qualify, but a Pseudodragon (which doesn't) would not.
The more specific question is whether the Celestial template adds alignment subtypes to the creatures it affects. Since there's nothing in the description of the template that says it does, it doesn't. So they aren't affected by Sacred Summons.
Actually his aura is CG as it always matches his gods not his own.
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It's not a bad Feat, or the combination of the two. It's just limited. A lot of people originally thought that it allowed you to Summon all the creatures listed as having a given alignment, which it does not do. Only the ones that have an Alignment Subtype and that match your Cleric's Aura. Those start to kick in at SM 3 or higher.
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Actually his aura is CG as it always matches his gods not his own.Sacred Summons only works with "creatures whose alignment subtype or subtypes exactly match your aura". So a silvanshee (with the good subtype) would qualify, but a Pseudodragon (which doesn't) would not.
The more specific question is whether the Celestial template adds alignment subtypes to the creatures it affects. Since there's nothing in the description of the template that says it does, it doesn't. So they aren't affected by Sacred Summons.
Pretty sure that if his god is Sarenrae, his aura is NG. Considering Sarenrae is NG and all.
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So... Is there a rules consensus that Summon Good Monster does not assign alignment subtypes for the Sacred Summons spell? It provides alignments in the table with the spell description.
My boyfriend is playing a Cleric of Shelyn in PFS. He was hoping to use Sacred Summons to get some standard action summons. We thought that Summon Good Monster feat might provide the fix needed for him to do so...
Hmm
A list of what is available via this feat at each Summon Monster would certainly be useful. Especially if it included things like the summoning rings from Advanced Class Guide.
So exactly how many monsters have Celestial template without an alignment subtype or fiendish template without an alignment subtype? It really seems like the templates should give the alignment subtype.
Templates don't give the alignment subtype. You'd need to go through the list and see which creatures have what alignment subtypes and it only works if it exactly matches. So if you're LG, you can only do things that are LG, you can't do ones with just he good subtype or CG subtypes. Sacred summons options are small, this feat does add though, I think you have 1 per level at SM3 and later to sacred summon.
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The issue is that this is for PFS. If it is not rules as written, it won't work. We had hoped that Summon Good Monster had assigned alignment subtypes so that Sacred Summons could work for the NG monsters listed there.
As a reach cleric, standard action summons would be workable. Full round summons don't work.
Sigh. I am thinking that Omar will not be a summoner if Summon Good Monster does not open up the alignment subtypes.
Hmm
Magda, thanks for the input. I've enjoyed the posts I've seen where you've given insight into running clerics and value any advice you have.
My cleric of Shelyn is 2nd level and trying to figure out his next few feats.
With the standard Summon Monster spells assuming that the monsters with an asterisk (Celestial) do not pick up an alignment sub-type there are no monsters that a follower of Shelyn (NG) could summon via Sacred Summons.
The Advanced Class Guide added the Ring of Summoning Affinity in several different flavors. They start adding creatures at Summon Monster 3, you would just need to pick the correct ring to work with Sacred Summons.
Pretty expensive at a little over 7K, but as an example the one for Agathion (NG) would give two creatures (Silvanshee at SM 3 and Vulpinal at SM 5) that a follower of Shelyn could use Sacred Summons with. The ring is also capable of summoning the Silvanshee once. These are the same creatures that Summon Good Monster would add to the choices.
The ring for Angel would allow you to get Cassisian angels -- a type that doesn't appear on the Summon Good Monster list. None of the other creatures it allows would come in by 9th level.
Part of it is likely that I'm spoiled from running a summoner, but without a standard action summons it is hard to justify summon monster spells for a reach cleric and the Sacred Summons doesn't appear to give those who follow a NG god enough to make it worth the feat.
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Thanks for telling us about the Ring of Summoning Affinity. Cool!
Lacking Sacred Summons, a reach cleric can use Summon Monster as a missile weapon. Use when you are pretty sure you won't get an AoO. Works great. Another trick is to summon a Lantern Archon before opening a door, and have it cast Aid on the entire party. So Summon Monster is still worthwhile, it's just not the obvious round 1 goto spell.