The Great Catastrophe! Proto-Settlements into the real deal.


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I was thinking about the "Great Catastrophe" that Lee Hammock talked about in the Gobbocast, and I had two ideas that I would like to put forth, and get a general reaction.

First Idea:
Since the World Wound is to the North West a large group of demons ravages the Echo woods. Afterwards, Crusaders, Hell Knights(Pyke), and opportunists begin to move in and help remove the threat. Us, the players, will be displaced and have to rebuild the settlements.

Second Idea:
A large group of Barbarians from Numeria attempts to push the Numerian border further south, burning, raping, and pillaging along the way. The PCs, Thornkeep, Hell Knights, and maybe even some Goblin/Bandits all help to push the Barbarians out, but are left to rebuild.

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We want to be barbarian friendly, not hold any vestigial mistrust and all. I'm always down for some demon killin', and even the Golgothans won't like them creating all kinds of bad publicity. As a Desnan, I vote to throw in some Lamashtuan lackeys to sort out also.

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I really like "the Great Burning" Perhaps a micro-meteor bombardment, maybe even leading to the creation of a new and interesting encounter point in one of the future-expansion badlands hexes.

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Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
I really like "the Great Burning" Perhaps a micro-meteor bombardment, maybe even leading to the creation of a new and interesting encounter point in one of the future-expansion badlands hexes.

Could even lead to some interesting confusion via a sudden "mass-regeneration" in game.

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A battle between Rovagug and Pharasma, where Rovagug's scourge gains the early victory of destroying many of the NPC settlements, but Pharasma wins the day by granting the new stewards of the River Kingdoms with the ability to respawn, thus driving away the scourge of Rovagug, and then the rebuilding begins.

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Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
...micro-meteor bombardment...

Any chance the Great Catastrophe will be what creates the Starmetal hexes in the River Kingdoms? That'd allow a somewhat-simple way to accommodate the map's resources and the needs of the GW-folk behind the scenes.

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Well those are cause of being close to Numeria, so sort of already explained.

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T7V Jazzlvraz wrote:
Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
...micro-meteor bombardment...
Any chance the Great Catastrophe will be what creates the Starmetal hexes in the River Kingdoms? That'd allow a somewhat-simple way to accommodate the map's resources and the needs of the GW-folk behind the scenes.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

If another smaller 'ship' crashed into the river kingdoms.

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TEO Cheatle wrote:
Well those are cause of being close to Numeria, so sort of already explained.

Some sources talk about Skymetal having long-since been exhausted in at least some Numerian sites, so I wondered whether the same fate might've befallen ancient River Kingdoms sites, and thus maybe we need a new infusion?

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Yea, those are closer to the epicenter of the crash, we are quite a bit a ways away. I would think that if there were a catastrophe like you are suggesting, we would end up looking like Numeria, with a lot less vegetation.

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Ustalav is right across the river. Undead invasion/Zombie Apocalypse.

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Couldn't they open their eyes and see.

Zog and the goblins were to blame for any harm that would befall the rift. They had created the rift in an accident - and they still played around with it - like gods.
Fools - all of us who trusted Rhyn and settled in these lands - still with goblins work(ing) on it.
Couldn't they see that the forces creating the rift just needed to do something wrong - inevitable if you trusted goblins - and catastrophes on worldwide proportions like earthquakes or even the apocalypse could happen.

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And maybe this was always planned by the goblins anyhow - lure us in and then kill us and loot us.
Just knowing goblins we are tougher and survive.

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Theodum wrote:
...kill us and loot us...

They're goblins. They're more random than that; they might stop at the killing...or wander off somewhere in the middle of it.

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As soon as they found fireworks or something shiny they would end up stealing that and wondering/running away.

Their behavior is well documented in the Jade Regent and Rise of the Rune Lord adventure paths.

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I have a feeling that as busy as GW is, it will be something that is heavy on story (as in: find out through announcement) and light on graphics and player participation.

I would LOVE to be wrong about that, naturally. ;)

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I got the impression it might be the first Monster Casting event.

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Nihimon wrote:
I got the impression it might be the first Monster Casting event.

Now that would be cool.

Just make them tough enough that they can get the wrecking done proper, while we beat on them. :)


Bluddwolf wrote:
A battle between Rovagug and Pharasma, where Rovagug's scourge gains the early victory of destroying many of the NPC settlements, but Pharasma wins the day by granting the new stewards of the River Kingdoms with the ability to respawn, thus driving away the scourge of Rovagug, and then the rebuilding begins.

But won't we already be able to respawn? The GCat is supposed to take place at the end of EE.

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TEO Cheatle wrote:
I was thinking about the "Great Catastrophe" that Lee Hammock talked about in the Gobbocast, and I had two ideas that I would like to put forth, and get a general reaction.

Sorry, snorted when I read this. Been a comic book reader since way back. When I read the words "Great Catastrophe" I automatically think about Jack Kirby's Kamandi comic book. Which was something of a rip-off of Planet of the Apes but multiple animal species became intelligent while human intelligence declined.

I like the barbarian horde swept through idea. There's also the idea of a comet passing so close to the planet that it caused earthquakes and fires all over the place.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Bluddwolf wrote:
A battle between Rovagug and Pharasma, where Rovagug's scourge gains the early victory of destroying many of the NPC settlements, but Pharasma wins the day by granting the new stewards of the River Kingdoms with the ability to respawn, thus driving away the scourge of Rovagug, and then the rebuilding begins.
But won't we already be able to respawn? The GCat is supposed to take place at the end of EE.

Not addressing the respawn part of your comment, but the GCat is supposed to take place when they are ready for us to take over settlements ourselves. Until then, all settlements will effectively be NPC operated.

It's to allow training facilities throughout the map, while giving us the freedom to decide what we want in our hexes when take them over.

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T7V Jazzlvraz wrote:
They're goblins. They're more random than that; they might stop at the killing...or wander off somewhere in the middle of it.

Unless their are doing the biding of some huge boss monster.

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I hope that whatever befalls the NPC proto-settlements in the GCat, it leaves residue monsters to take down before the proto-settlements can be reclaimed.

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Harad Navar wrote:
...doing the biding of some huge boss monster.

Whom they'll also ignore...they're goblins. If he eats a few, the rest won't care.

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Forgive an old man and his tremulous memory but there was talk a couple of years ago, I vaguely have the impression it was either from one of the devs or attributed to the devs, that there would be a barbarian invasion.

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Being wrote:
...there would be a barbarian invasion.

That's Day One of Early Enrollment, right there.

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T7V Jazzlvraz wrote:
Being wrote:
...there would be a barbarian invasion.
That's Day One of Early Enrollment, right there.

Heheh. Made me smile.


On the subject of meteors and Scarred Lands: I really hope there'll be akatas at some point.

I mean, they look freakin' awesome.

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I am also a fan of weird-looking alien creatures and Cthulhu-esque eldritch horrors. Hope we get an update at some point with those sorts of fun times. :)

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Bunibuni13th wrote:
There's also the idea of a comet passing so close to the planet that it caused earthquakes and fires all over the place.

(Moderate fantasy) scientifically speaking NO NO no no no no no no nonononononononono no no no. No.

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TEO Cheatle wrote:

I was thinking about the "Great Catastrophe" that Lee Hammock talked about in the Gobbocast, and I had two ideas that I would like to put forth, and get a general reaction.

First Idea:
Since the World Wound is to the North West a large group of demons ravages the Echo woods. Afterwards, Crusaders, Hell Knights(Pyke), and opportunists begin to move in and help remove the threat. Us, the players, will be displaced and have to rebuild the settlements.

Second Idea:
A large group of Barbarians from Numeria attempts to push the Numerian border further south, burning, raping, and pillaging along the way. The PCs, Thornkeep, Hell Knights, and maybe even some Goblin/Bandits all help to push the Barbarians out, but are left to rebuild.

Well for me personally, part of the reason I wanted to be north was because of the World Wound incursion potential. I would of also liked being by the Spire, but it looks like that's a long way out to being something anyways. Will still love to visit just to see what's there now however.

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Quietus, you look so much more... rugged, without your hood on.

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Bringslite of Fidelis wrote:
T7V Jazzlvraz wrote:
Being wrote:
...there would be a barbarian invasion.
That's Day One of Early Enrollment, right there.
Heheh. Made me smile.

We're already here.

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I was wondering ,
When the event destroy's the NPC settlements and allows PC ones ,Do they have to be rebuilt in the same hex or would it be possible to rebuild/restart in one of the neighbouring hex's ?

This would allow some shuffling about for defence/resources/expansion etc.

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Moon Madness

My understanding is, that it will be the same spot. Otherwise the whole landrush wouldn't be truly fair - but it is worthwhile to ask in case I'm wrong

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The settlement hexes are precisely spaced out and placed. So no, you won't be able to rebuild in a neighboring hex.

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Ravenlute wrote:
The settlement hexes are precisely spaced out and placed. So no, you won't be able to rebuild in a neighboring hex.

This.

They are constructing much of the gameworld I assume, and I don't think "dropping a settlement" is fesable, say in the middle of a swamp, forest, highland, or even plains hex; It would end in tears and bugs galore.

As I understood it, he meant the "ruins" are available for fixing and controlling, each specifically setup for the "Guild" that won the location in the Land-Rush. At some time later the other "devastated" NPC towns that went up will also become available for fixing and controlling.

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Settlements only go in a certain spot in the settlement hex, too. Usually near the center.

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Bluddwolf wrote:
A battle between Rovagug and Pharasma, where Rovagug's scourge gains the early victory of destroying many of the NPC settlements, but Pharasma wins the day by granting the new stewards of the River Kingdoms with the ability to respawn, thus driving away the scourge of Rovagug, and then the rebuilding begins.

I like that--very Golarion!

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My vote is for largest Goblin Horde seen in ages. Long shall history tell of the Works of the Goblin horde.

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God Wars? Or maybe just God Shoving Match?

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I really like the Barbarians coming down from Numeria....

IT would give us just cause to move into Numeria in the future.

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Razmiran has expanded on 5 different occasions in the last 50 years, and as they are right on the other side of the Sellen River and were a River Kingdom themselves at one point, I think it would make perfect sense for them to be attempting an expansion once again. I can see them sending their Shackleborn, fanatic priests and army to take things over. The populace of the River Kingdoms (go us!) fight them back, assume lordship over the remains of the various settlements, and on we go.

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