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Mysteries are often far more interesting left un explained, and the solutions are left to our own imaginations. I think the writers did something very clever. Instead of explaining the great "mysteries" of Golarion such as why did Aroden die why did the gnomes leave the first world..etc...they offered "facts" and "theories" and ultimately said, well its up to you to figure out what is best for your campaign.
I think the mystery of the test of the star stone is much more interesting left undefined.
In my opinion I think it would be a terrible idea to have some sort of module which is a "test" of the star stone and have the mystery explained.
Well that is only my opinion.
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Aren't there people who fail the test and survive, like Razmir?On topic, will the Test of the Starstone include Faction Missions?Yup, because despite the fact that the only people who enter the Cathedral of the Starstone either die or become gods, Zarta Dralneen wants you to bring back a very specific toy for her.Razmir has claimed to have passed the test. We have no reason to assume that he even took it.
Actually He actually MAY have taken the test AND passed it. Passing the test doesn't automatically make you a god.... just mythic. And what he's done may very well fit within the parameters of a mythic archmage.
Per James Jacobs, Razmir is not mythic, and is in fact only 19th level.
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Me too. Heck, I love hard mode just for the ability to say, "I did this on hard mode! Woo Hoo!"
But there are some players (interestingly enough our best power gamers) who refuse to play hard mode unless there is some tangible reward for doing so.
Ditto my friend.
I would consider myself one of "our" best power gamers, and I like hard mode just to provide some added difficulty. Half of my fun in gaming is character building. I love pushing the extreme ends of the mechanical boundries of the game. So in that sense, it's very hard for me not too do when making a character.
But that said, I usually only go 8/10 or 9/10 on the "full tilt optimization" for PFS. I like having some added versatility in this campaign over a few more points of raw power. The very best of us are also able to recognize when to reign it in some for the other players at the table who may not appreciate our level of optimization. Everyone deserves to have fun.
To each their own though, right?
Absolutely. I would put myself somewhere between 5 and 7 for optimization. I want to make a useful character, but I really do prefer versatile over pure power. Even in a home game.
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Per James Jacobs, Razmir is not mythic, and is in fact only 19th level.
There are very few contexts where one can say that someone is "only" 19th level, and not have it be nonsensical.
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Per James Jacobs, Razmir is not mythic, and is in fact only 19th level.There are very few contexts where one can say that someone is "only" 19th level, and not have it be nonsensical.
Like every other character in forgotten realms?
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The intention behind my statement may be misinterpreted. I meant to imply that an expensive product/total package that relatively few people would buy is not without precedent.Not sure if over 8000 people who have already purchased this product is a small number in the RPG market.Isn't this exactly what is being done with the Emerald Spire? A very expensive total package that relatively few people will buy?
The Emerald Spire can't really be included in this discussion. That was all part of the buy-in for the 1 million dollar kickstarter for the MMO.
A very special and unique situation to be sure.
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Bruno grapple Starstone.
Bruno become god.
Bruno domains Grapple and Pin.
Bruno only herald is Tyup, an animated piece of rope.
When the earth shake, that Bruno grappling. When sky rain, that is Bruno sweating. When it snow, Bruno probably drop his ice cream.
Bruno further detailed in Paizo 2015 release, "Brunos of the Inner Sea." Feature new feats like 'Grappling with Guilt' ("instead of receiving an Atonement, you may make a grapple check against your inner self-loathing") and new archetypes (Armwrestling Alchemist, Crushing Cleric, Wrasslin' Rogue, etc).
Garble grapple Bruno?
What about something along these lines?
One of the biggest issues in the debate for more level 12+ content is that only a relatively small amount of PFS players have completed Eyes of the Ten. While not getting into why there are issues with EotT, that would be a good way to narrow down potential candidates.
For Example: A new scenario/module is announced for PFS that would include the test of the Starstone. The level cap is set high, 10-12, to limit absolutely everyone from creating a submission. If it's announced early enough, you can give players plenty of time to prepare for the scenario.
Then Paizo can have some sort of contest for those few players that wind up completing the scenario a chance to become a canonized deity.
While still a rough idea, I think that this is something that could be done.
*smiles*
I'm glad someone likes the idea enough to suggest ways it can be done and not writing it off.
Its really appreciated, thanks honestly
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Absolutely. I would put myself somewhere between 5 and 7 for optimization. I want to make a useful character, but I really do prefer versatile over pure power. Even in a home game.
I dig it. For home games, I tend to build full tilt, with two exceptions:
First being I always outline my long term build to my GM, and reign in any elements they are uncomfortable with.
Second being our home games rarely go past 12th level. In fact, my only Pathfinder PCs past 14th level that were not created at a higher level for a one shot event are PFS PCs. I am very grateful that modules and adventure paths have become sanctioned in the last few years.
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Bruno grapple Starstone.
Bruno become god.
Bruno domains Grapple and Pin.
Bruno only herald is Tyup, an animated piece of rope.
When the earth shake, that Bruno grappling. When sky rain, that is Bruno sweating. When it snow, Bruno probably drop his ice cream.
....did Bruno just fail a grapple attempt with an inanimate object?!
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Awwww.... They're Hugging!Garble grapple Bruno?Bruno grapple Starstone.
Bruno become god.
Bruno domains Grapple and Pin.
Bruno only herald is Tyup, an animated piece of rope.
When the earth shake, that Bruno grappling. When sky rain, that is Bruno sweating. When it snow, Bruno probably drop his ice cream.
Bruno further detailed in Paizo 2015 release, "Brunos of the Inner Sea." Feature new feats like 'Grappling with Guilt' ("instead of receiving an Atonement, you may make a grapple check against your inner self-loathing") and new archetypes (Armwrestling Alchemist, Crushing Cleric, Wrasslin' Rogue, etc).
Bruno portfolio now include Friendship domain and Hugs inquisition.
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....did Bruno just fail a grapple attempt with an inanimate object?!Bruno grapple Starstone.
Bruno become god.
Bruno domains Grapple and Pin.
Bruno only herald is Tyup, an animated piece of rope.
When the earth shake, that Bruno grappling. When sky rain, that is Bruno sweating. When it snow, Bruno probably drop his ice cream.
Bruno not expect delicious dessert to have mythic levels.
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What about something along these lines?
One of the biggest issues in the debate for more level 12+ content is that only a relatively small amount of PFS players have completed Eyes of the Ten. While not getting into why there are issues with EotT, that would be a good way to narrow down potential candidates.
For Example: A new scenario/module is announced for PFS that would include the test of the Starstone. The level cap is set high, 10-12, to limit absolutely everyone from creating a submission. If it's announced early enough, you can give players plenty of time to prepare for the scenario.
Then Paizo can have some sort of contest for those few players that wind up completing the scenario a chance to become a canonized deity.
While still a rough idea, I think that this is something that could be done.
*smiles*
I'm glad someone likes the idea enough to suggest ways it can be done and not writing it off.
Its really appreciated, thanks honestly
Well don't sound like that, the last page is filled with people who said they like the idea they just think its unfeasible. By suggesting only the person who proposed a solution which achieves your goal is the only person who "liked the idea" you do a disservice to those who agreed with the "coolness" of the idea, just because they had reasons to say "I like the idea BUT"
I also think its cool, I'd love to be all goddish, but my liking of the idea is dwarfed by the potential problems and complications it would cause.
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For Example: A new scenario/module is announced for PFS that would include the test of the Starstone. The level cap is set high, 10-12, to limit absolutely everyone from creating a submission. If it's announced early enough, you can give players plenty of time to prepare for the scenario.Then Paizo can have some sort of contest for those few players that wind up completing the scenario a chance to become a canonized deity.
Two notes, Tarma.
1) Word of God (so to speak) is that a the best-established pre-requisite for succeeding at the Test of the Starstone is to be 20th level. The four verified Starstone graduates were all 20th level when they walked / snuck / staggered into the Cathedral.
So, setting the level at 10 - 12 is a good way to make sure the adventure is a Roach Motel.
2) Nothing in PFS will ever advance canon, period. You can be defeated by a Runelord who takes over the world. Not canon. The campaign can try to establish that the Ruby Prince almost dies of an illness, and blames the Pathfinder Society. Not canon for the greater campaign setting.
Put another way, Colarion isn't Greyhawk during the Greyhawk Wars, nor the Forgotten Realms. The canon calendar hasn't advanced since the suggestion that the events in"Rise of the Runelords" and "Curse of the Crimson Throne" might be considered canon. Published material can ad details to the background, but won't advance the background. (We can get background about why Molthune is at war with Nithramas, but Molthune will always be at war with Nithramas.)
The OP wants Golarion to include a major god who's "worth worshipping" and who has black skin.Depends on how you count, but there's currently no such god. Pathfinder Society Organized Play is the wrong vehicle to change that.
And a tournament where one PC gets to be a god is an even worse way, since it's just as likely that "Stinkballs McGoober", a halfling summoner who doesn't fit the Golarion canon very well at all, would be elevated to godhood instead, At which point, Golarion still wouldn't have a black-skinned god, but would have a doofy god who harms the setting.
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Bruno portfolio now include Friendship domain and Hugs inquisition.Awwww.... They're Hugging!Garble grapple Bruno?Bruno grapple Starstone.
Bruno become god.
Bruno domains Grapple and Pin.
Bruno only herald is Tyup, an animated piece of rope.
When the earth shake, that Bruno grappling. When sky rain, that is Bruno sweating. When it snow, Bruno probably drop his ice cream.
Bruno further detailed in Paizo 2015 release, "Brunos of the Inner Sea." Feature new feats like 'Grappling with Guilt' ("instead of receiving an Atonement, you may make a grapple check against your inner self-loathing") and new archetypes (Armwrestling Alchemist, Crushing Cleric, Wrasslin' Rogue, etc).
If anyone, other than Tyup, deserves to be a herald of Bruno the 'All-Pinner', it's Garble.
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How about a scenario where the PCs try to help one of the Society's 20th-level Seekers prepare for the test?
Gather rare things, discover valuable insight into the test, etc. Doing things would be reported on the tracking sheet. The success of that
Thinking along the lines of:
1) Needs X number of A results.
2) Needs Y% of B results.
3) Profit!
After Z period of time, the results would be reported. The Seeker's success would be dependent upon the reported results of the scenario and if successful, the Seeker would be written into canon as a minor deity and perhaps a follow-up boon (for characters who helped) or scenario could be written.
How about a scenario where the PCs try to help one of the Society's 20th-level Seekers prepare for the test?
Gather rare things, discover valuable insight into the test, etc. Doing things would be reported on the tracking sheet. The success of that
Thinking along the lines of:1) Needs X number of A results.
2) Needs Y% of B results.
3) Profit!After Z period of time, the results would be reported. The Seeker's success would be dependent upon the reported results of the scenario and if successful, the Seeker would be written into canon as a minor deity and perhaps a follow-up boon (for characters who helped) or scenario could be written.
Love it, marked as favourite, and also want to point out that somebody else said something very very similar on the first page, and just want them to know I meant to favourite theirs but then forgot!
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How about a scenario where the PCs try to help one of the Society's 20th-level Seekers prepare for the test?
Gather rare things, discover valuable insight into the test, etc. Doing things would be reported on the tracking sheet. The success of that
Thinking along the lines of:1) Needs X number of A results.
2) Needs Y% of B results.
3) Profit!After Z period of time, the results would be reported. The Seeker's success would be dependent upon the reported results of the scenario and if successful, the Seeker would be written into canon as a minor deity and perhaps a follow-up boon (for characters who helped) or scenario could be written.
This could be quite interesting, depending on who would be the one passing the test.
"All praise Drandle Dreng, patron deity of 'Get the &^%$ out of bed! It's 3:05 in the morning!'"
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How about a scenario where the PCs try to help one of the Society's 20th-level Seekers prepare for the test?
Gather rare things, discover valuable insight into the test, etc. Doing things would be reported on the tracking sheet. The success of that
Thinking along the lines of:1) Needs X number of A results.
2) Needs Y% of B results.
3) Profit!After Z period of time, the results would be reported. The Seeker's success would be dependent upon the reported results of the scenario and if successful, the Seeker would be written into canon as a minor deity and perhaps a follow-up boon (for characters who helped) or scenario could be written.
This could be quite interesting, depending on who would be the one passing the test.
"All praise Drandle Dreng, patron deity of 'Get the &^%$ out of bed! It's 3:05 in the morning!'"
Only if Mythender becomes legal.
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This could be quite interesting, depending on who would be the one passing the test.
"All praise Drandle Dreng, patron deity of 'Get the &^%$ out of bed! It's 3:05 in the morning!'"
3:05 in the morning is actually the time his clerics are required to pray for spells. No exceptions.
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Kyle Baird's idea would probably be the approach, were we to do anything like this in Pathfinder Society Organized Play. Such an endeavor would likely be a season-long goal rather than just a single scenario, akin to how the Ruby Phoenix Tournament was handled. In the spirit of "never say never," I'll say that I don't anticipate this type of story appearing in the campaign in the foreseeable future.
Perhaps a better route would be to handle this as a PaizoCon special event, like one of the lottery games run by a Paizo employee. Even then it might not be 100% official canon, but it might be inspiration for any expansion of Golarion's pantheon.
As an amused aside, at PaizoCon I'm running two sessions of "Golarionender," which is an adaptation of Ryan Macklin's Mythender for Golarion. If you haven't already, remember to sign up for the PaizoCon lottery.
I disagree. there is no Halfling god of pie. this must be fixed immediately!That's not true. I'm just not very well known.
Yes, well, it would help if during your ceremonies the faithful didn't have their mouths stuffed too full to mention your name.
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As an amused aside, at PaizoCon I'm running two sessions of "Golarionender," which is an adaptation of Ryan Macklin's Mythender for Golarion. If you haven't already, remember to sign up for the PaizoCon lottery.I'm playing on Saturday. Looking forward to it. I'm worried a couple dozen D6 may simply not be enough.
Me too. I'm importing D6s from Arizona, so you'll be covered, Will.
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Me too. I'm importing D6s from Arizona, so you'll be covered, Will.As an amused aside, at PaizoCon I'm running two sessions of "Golarionender," which is an adaptation of Ryan Macklin's Mythender for Golarion. If you haven't already, remember to sign up for the PaizoCon lottery.I'm playing on Saturday. Looking forward to it. I'm worried a couple dozen D6 may simply not be enough.
The creator Ryan Macklin has generously offered to loan me his collection of dice for Mythender, so it's not necessary to provide your own. As noted in the event description, materials will be provided.
That said, giving the earlier chapters of the game a skim just to get a feel for how things work would be helpful. I've booked enough time to teach the game to the registered participants.
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I know how to make the test of the Starstone work in PFS!!!
A group of (possibly mythic) pre-generated characters feel it is their time to take the test of the Starstone. Each character has a series of tests interwoven into the general Starstone test. Players will need to pass all components to survive the test.
To finalise, GMs report on which characters passed the test ,which died, and Paizo then compiles the results and adds the winning character to Galorion's pantheon of gods.
The best part is the characters can be tailor-made to fit as a new god, thereby making the adventure much more targetted and rewarding. They could even use a known NPC, such as Razmir!
The cert for the adventure could have a blessing from the would-be god, or if the character passes the test, anything from a major blessing all the way up to a mythic tier.
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I know how to make the test of the Starstone work in PFS!!!
A group of (possibly mythic) pre-generated characters feel it is their time to take the test of the Starstone. Each character has a series of tests interwoven into the general Starstone test. Players will need to pass all components to survive the test.
To finalise, GMs report on which characters passed the test ,which died, and Paizo then compiles the results and adds the winning character to Galorion's pantheon of gods.
The best part is the characters can be tailor-made to fit as a new god, thereby making the adventure much more targetted and rewarding. They could even use a known NPC, such as Razmir!
The cert for the adventure could have a blessing from the would-be god, or if the character passes the test, anything from a major blessing all the way up to a mythic tier.
Except if Razmir Ascended, that would completely remove what makes Razmir special.
