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Bluddwolf wrote:


It was not taken as a slight. Also, I believe TEO was the first to use this seeding method or at least that is the story where I became aware of it.

Again, nothing wrong with it, it is a way around a flaw. You might call it "emergent recruiting tactics".

If this is the case, I was not made aware of it. Not sure I see anything wrong with it either, but it is definitely not something I would advocate. Having 5 'seeds' pop in to gather contact info would be very exciting for one of those guild masters to see. Losing those 5 seeds when they've gained their information would be heart-wrenching.

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Hand of Abraxas is down to 7 members (1 pending - spy?) and dropped out of the top 30(33).

Tactical voting? Borrowed votes that are back the the real owner? I would think that a settlement dropped out of the landrush would be miffed now if they got booted if not all votes 'belonged' to the hand.

Is anyone still doing daily totals? It would be interesting to keep a track on these 'movements'.

Caldaethes spreadsheet is great - but I don't know if he keeps older versions. And the only daily numbers I found online ended on the 8th of June.

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Thod wrote:

Hand of Abraxas is down to 7 members (1 pending - spy?) and dropped out of the top 30(33).

Tactical voting? Borrowed votes that are back the the real owner? I would think that a settlement dropped out of the landrush would be miffed now if they got booted if not all votes 'belonged' to the hand.

Is anyone still doing daily totals? It would be interesting to keep a track on these 'movements'.

Caldaethes spreadsheet is great - but I don't know if he keeps older versions. And the only daily numbers I found online ended on the 8th of June.

Are Kabal's numbers back up to above 30? It might be that Kabal is systematically wiping out smaller group hunker down bonuses.

They should be very careful who they burn. Plus, maybe these small groups should keep Kabal's activities in mind when the War of Towers and later settlement vs settlement warfare begins.

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Get your pitchforks! Pitchforks here, 5 silvers a pop!

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Kabal once had 33 and is down to 25. None left, as far as I know, because they were unhappy. Who they went to or who they went BACK to is anyone's guess.

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Bluddwolf wrote:
Are Kabal's numbers back up to above 30? It might be that Kabal is systematically wiping out smaller group hunker down bonuses.

According to the Thornkeep leader board, Kabal's weekly delta hasn't changed. They're holding at 25.

Black_Arrow's writing style is far too precise for Kabalite in-formalities. It has very few spelling errors and no vernacular.

I don't endorse Kabal's Land Rush strategy. I doubt they are a suspect though.

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Those are, however, quite easy things to mask, making them only circumstantially exculpatory. It's not unlikely they're un-related, and it's also not unlikely we'll never be able to tell :-).

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Bluddwolf wrote:
Are Kabal's numbers back up to above 30? It might be that Kabal is systematically wiping out smaller group hunker down bonuses.

If we were we would have burned Librarians, because they had the highest bonus. Guess again, if you get it right I will send you some cookies.

Bluddwolf wrote:
They should be very careful who they burn. Plus, maybe these small groups should keep Kabal's activities in mind when the War of Towers and later settlement vs settlement warfare begins.

I would imagine that people will keep everything in mind, just because we may have temporarily displaced someone does not mean they will not end up where they want to be, or where they really wanted to be in the first place.

In the end, some are going to get the spot they wanted, and some are going to settle for one they didn't. Our number 1 pick is still the same, shockingly we have not gotten it yet... or not shockingly as the case may be.

Our original push came from our own members who had not signed up on the GW site yet. Some will recall me saying that specifically that first week when I talked to them, and those that watched could confirm that nobody lost enough people to support all our growth. I still have a lot of members who have not joined EE, they may decide to and give us some additional support and join us in beta, which I keep telling them sooner is better, but they are annoyingly free willed and live to cause me grief.

If people are really so very concerned about the whole thing, they could ask to take a look in our guild roster. I would not take offense, of course there will be the standard fee for such a thing.

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<Kabal> Sunnfire wrote:
...does not mean they will not end up where they want to be...

One thing that's at least theoretically possible with Kabal's changing Site each week is allowing folks to come back to their preferred picks, if they kept them high in their choices. Lee's telling us that few groups have left their pick-list fixed makes it less likely that Kabal--or any other single group--is the primary cause of Settlement-resettlement.

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<Kabal> Sunnfire wrote:
Bluddwolf wrote:
Are Kabal's numbers back up to above 30? It might be that Kabal is systematically wiping out smaller group hunker down bonuses.
If we were we would have burned Librarians, because they had the highest bonus. Guess again, if you get it right I will send you some cookies.

To be honest, it strikes me that removing other groups' Hunker Down Bonuses is the most likely short-term goal, with the long-term goal being to capture as many Settlements as possible in the Land Rush through the use of "shadow guilds". That's just me looking at the actual effects and balancing them on Occam's Razor.

However, it would also make sense to me if you were simply gauging the reactions of the various groups to your movements as an attempt to uncover hidden allegiances.

At any rate, I expect Week 10 will be very interesting, and I'm once again grateful that The Seventh Veil has already secured our Settlement, and that we are very good friends with The Empyrean Order. I sincerely hope that we will keep our neighbors, but I'm prepared for the possibility that we won't.

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Week 10 will be as agonizing as Week 1 was.

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Nihimon wrote:
At any rate, I expect Week 10 will be very interesting, and I'm once again grateful that The Seventh Veil has already secured our Settlement, and that we are very good friends with The Empyrean Order. I sincerely hope that we will keep our neighbors, but I'm prepared for the possibility that we won't.

If TEO and T7V wanted to play by the same rules the grifters are using that what, an easy 250 votes you two could "loan" to your allies, since there is no week 11 draft. I am sure that is what is rolling around in the heads of the devious ones, much to the chagrin of the designers of this process.

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Hardin Steele wrote:
Nihimon wrote:
At any rate, I expect Week 10 will be very interesting, and I'm once again grateful that The Seventh Veil has already secured our Settlement, and that we are very good friends with The Empyrean Order. I sincerely hope that we will keep our neighbors, but I'm prepared for the possibility that we won't.
If TEO and T7V wanted to play by the same rules the grifters are using that what, an easy 250 votes you two could "loan" to your allies, since there is no week 11 draft. I am sure that is what is rolling around in the heads of the devious ones, much to the chagrin of the designers of this process.

Most of those votes belong to people who are ineligible to vote. We've reviewed the game theory, politics, and actions taken so far and made plans that don't involve cheating.

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Hardin Steele wrote:
If TEO and T7V wanted to play by the same rules the grifters are using that what, an easy 250 votes you two could "loan" to your allies, since there is no week 11 draft.

We decided long ago that being honest and showing integrity is of a greater long-term benefit than anything we might gain by bending the rules to fit our desires.

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DeciusBrutus wrote:
...ineligible to vote.

By "ineligible", remember Goblinworks has told us they know whose votes are locked up in the Land Rush 1 winners, and they'll check the lists if they see need.


Useless Haggarsson POV:
The conversation towards the end here is like stepping in to a conversation taking place in the later parts of a game of Assassins. It is quite entertaining in a "Who done it" sort of manner.

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DeciusBrutus wrote:
We've reviewed the game theory, politics, and actions taken so far and made plans that don't involve cheating.

I'm glad DB. That is the exception, it seems.


I can honestly admit that I, Kobold Cleaver, known by most as "Honest KC" or "Trustworthy Todd" (I have no idea where the "Todd" comes from), have been cheating. I'm actually enlisted in T7V as "Cobble Clobber", where I have clobberly cleverly thrown off the entire voting system!

I'm also planning on breaking into Goblinworks Inc. and setting fire to the place they keep the votes. I'm not sure I understand how internets work.

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@ KC

You can also just crash your hard drive and lose almost 2 years worth of posts. Apparently that BS seems to work. ;-/

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The files are in the computer- I'm sure if you break it open you'll probably find them.


Well, the hardest drive I've got is this old half-broken down pickup truck...I guess I'll drive that into Paizo HQ and see what happens. Assuming it doesn't break down on the Astoria–Megler Bridge.

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In today's news:

- Librarians of Doom--holders of Site Q, possessors of the mystical Hunker Down bonus-to-end-all-bonuses--have joined Freevale, thus surrendering their Site. Open Road is now back in the Top 30, with eight votes, joining The Deaders in the "pending" category for a Site in this week's draft

- As previously reported, Hand of Abraxas fell back to seven votes, so they're currently out of the Top 30 (at #34), but will maintain their Hunker Down bonus at Site U until Sunday's deadline, giving them a chance to bring in more votes before then

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From Lawful Neutral to Chaotic Neutral in one swell foop. That's quite the shift.

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Guurzak sad. Who gonna tell Guurzak "SHHHH! NO AXES ALLOWED IN HERE!" now?

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Wow, that news traveled fast.

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Awww my favorite alignments keep jumping ship.

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Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
From Lawful Neutral to Chaotic Neutral in one swell foop. That's quite the shift.

Is it starting? The swell fooping? :)

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Well, I don't know if it's starting, but that was a pretty swell foop.

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Guurzak wrote:
Guurzak sad. Who gonna tell Guurzak "SHHHH! NO AXES ALLOWED IN HERE!" now?

The Librarians of Doom are still a Company, they've just moved locations. You can still get plenty of "shush" action from them.

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Guurzak wrote:
Guurzak sad. Who gonna tell Guurzak "SHHHH! NO AXES ALLOWED IN HERE!" now?

Conan the Librarian, that's who!

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Oop. Did the number of "guilds" drop one?

Yay! Consolidate you guys! It is not a failure to grow and set the bar higher. It is progress and Win-Win.

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In today's rumour-mill: Aseveljet is considering a new home in Callambea!

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T7V Jazzlvraz wrote:
In today's rumour-mill: Aseveljet is considering a new home in Callambea!

Well that is great but it doesn't set the bar higher. I would prefer to see the smaller groups talking and teaming up.

If true, congrats to Callambea though! :)

Edit: Doh! Congrats to Aseveljet also.

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The trigger's been pulled: Aseveljet has disbanded. Dark Horselords have stepped into #40 on the Leaderboard.

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With just over three hours to go until this week's cutoff, there's been no further significant motion beyond what's already discussed above. Aragon moved one vote ahead of Ozem's Vigil earlier this evening, and a few groups have pending votes yet un-approved; I saw only one case--Four Rivers Mercenary Corp--where it would make a difference in the order of the Top 30.

Barring other movement, if Four Rivers approves their pender, they'll displace The Deaders as #29, dropping the latter to #30 and knocking Open Road off the bubble. If not, Open Road and The Deaders will take Settlements tomorrow morning, replacing the Librarians of Doom and Hand of Abraxas.


A lot of foops this week, and ours was the swellest.

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Hand of Abraxas back on 9 and save. I don't think they wanted to rely on a hunker-down bonus to stay in (7 + 20%) but going to 9 is just the minimum required.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Well, the hardest drive I've got is this old half-broken down pickup truck...I guess I'll drive that into Paizo HQ and see what happens. Assuming it doesn't break down on the Astoria–Megler Bridge.

What was the line you used in Cleaverator when you drove your hard drive into the front of the police station?

Oh yes:

"I'll be back."

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"I need your clothes, your boots and your mammoth mount"


Hand of Abraxas has dropped three followers and Elkhaven has gained three. Curiouser and curiouser.

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Hardly significant when Kabal has also gained at least three today.

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Oh Snap!

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Being wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Well, the hardest drive I've got is this old half-broken down pickup truck...I guess I'll drive that into Paizo HQ and see what happens. Assuming it doesn't break down on the Astoria–Megler Bridge.

What was the line you used in Cleaverator when you drove your hard drive into the front of the police station?

Oh yes:

"I'll be back."

Hard Drives have been replaced by Solid State drives which tend to have tracks and a "pzkfw" in front of their name.

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Actually, we only gained one today, the others were yesterday and the day before I'm pretty sure.

It all runs together after a while.

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You don't keep track of the cookie bribes for tax purposes?

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Yeah, whoever makes that stupid tracking tool needs to put more granularity in it so people don't get confused. And bells! I demand bells and whistles!

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I thought you were after Casks and Pipers with taverns and temples (tavern is the temple:).

A place where Clerics and entertainers could socialize over a pint or a yard.

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm a yard of ale... The best part of waking up is a yard of ale.

[edit: also, I wrote the stupid tracking too in question ;) ]

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Virgil Firecask wrote:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm a yard of ale... The best part of waking up is a yard of ale.

[edit: also, I wrote the stupid tracking too in question ;) ]

That tool is pretty awesome, Virgil. Better than ale (since I don't drink anyway) and an order of magnitude better than any "cookies" I have gotten from any settlement around here.

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In other news, Drakes of Magic have joined teams with Keepers of the Circle.

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