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(edit: the following shifts occurred this week)
Kabal -> R
Terra Australis -> A
Brains and Brawn -> D
Reading Between the Lines -> T
vVv Gaming -> J
Open Road -> S
The Bastard Sons of Daggermark -> dropped off the map.
In the future, if it's not too much trouble, can you show the lettered hexes they're moving from as well?
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...can you show the lettered hexes they're moving from as well?
On Caldeathe's Excellent Spreadsheet, the third tab has all five weeks laid out in the way you may be seeking.
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...can you show the lettered hexes they're moving from as well?On Caldeathe's Excellent Spreadsheet, the third tab has all five weeks laid out in the way you may be seeking.
Yeah, I was looking for the executive summary :)
But thanks, I can check that directly, too.
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And with the new placement math, unless someone makes a play for a new spot that affects the bottom, it takes a minimum 11 members to enter the board.
...assuming that each 'guild' puts their current location as their first choice. If not, then you just need as many members as the smallest guild on the list (currently 8) and an earlier application date.
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Not a huge amount of movement so far this week, with the rest of today yet to come:
- Sunholm's moved up two spots, to #10
- Kabal's up one, to #13
- Agents of Erastil're up two, to #19
- Several groups have shown a pattern of dropping of a few votes during the week, followed by those votes returning on Sunday, mimicking Golgotha, which moves 9-10 votes each direction each week
- The biggest mover this week is just out of the Top 30: Hand of Abraxas had one vote yesterday, and today climbed to #35, with eight votes
- As Caldeathe pointed out, it'll take 11 votes to knock out the Settlement on the bubble, Open Road, at #29
- Settlement #30, Librarians of Doom, has the benefit of a huge Hunker Down bonus, and it'll require 14 votes to displace them from Site Q
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Not a huge amount of movement so far this week, with the rest of today yet to come:
- Sunholm's moved up two spots, to #10
- Kabal's up one, to #13
- Agents of Erastil're up two, to #19
- Several groups have shown a pattern of dropping of a few votes during the week, followed by those votes returning on Sunday, mimicking Golgotha, which moves 9-10 votes each direction each week
- The biggest mover this week is just out of the Top 30: Hand of Abraxas had one vote yesterday, and today climbed to #35, with eight votes
- As Caldeathe pointed out, it'll take 11 votes to knock out the Settlement on the bubble, Open Road, at #29
- Settlement #30, Librarians of Doom, has the benefit of a huge Hunker Down bonus, and it'll require 14 votes to displace them from Site Q
There is nothing wrong with this, it is a response to the flawed system of the land rush not requiring a Paizo Account linked contact on the settlement description page. The only way to find out the contact person, is to send a member in to join.
In a few cases, the groups that do have an outside website to visit, they are not even active there as well.
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I hope no one read that bullet-point as pejorative; it was intended only as an observation, not an interpretation. I do believe, as Bluddwolf does--but without explicit evidence--that folks are using one of the only tools available to contact silent others, and that they're learning from Golgotha how to attempt that.
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I hope no one read that bullet-point as pejorative; it was intended only as an observation, not an interpretation. I do believe, as Bluddwolf does--but without explicit evidence--that folks are using one of the only tools available to contact silent others, and that they're learning from Golgotha how to attempt that.
It was not taken as a slight. Also, I believe TEO was the first to use this seeding method or at least that is the story where I became aware of it.
Again, nothing wrong with it, it is a way around a flaw. You might call it "emergent recruiting tactics".
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I hope no one read that bullet-point as pejorative; it was intended only as an observation, not an interpretation. I do believe, as Bluddwolf does--but without explicit evidence--that folks are using one of the only tools available to contact silent others, and that they're learning from Golgotha how to attempt that.It was not taken as a slight. Also, I believe TEO was the first to use this seeding method or at least that is the story where I became aware of it.
Again, nothing wrong with it, it is a way around a flaw. You might call it "emergent recruiting tactics".
It's nothing new. The vVv Gaming folks were supposedly doing it the first week of the landrush.
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We've tried it a couple times, but the groups we tried it on never logged on to accept people.
It's about the only outreach option there is for Ryan Dancey's suggestion of getting the mid-sized groups to absorb the smaller ones.
Edit: On a side note, how are you liking the weekly delta of citizens for each group?
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I can proudly say that we are closing in on Forgeholm. The top 10 (or should I say top 7?) have been static for a long while. Too long !!
I doubt we will manage this week - but we might at least get to the same number of members.
Yes - the bump up is thanks to the Hagarssons who should allow us to go even with Forgeholm (once all members moved over).
So - anyone else wanting to join us - apply NOW !!
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Hand of Abraxas has added two more votes, bringing their total to 10. This puts them at #27 in the Top 30, but Open Road's Hunker Down bonus means they stay on the bubble...so far.
Nine votes added today, though, says we need to keep an eye on the Hand.
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Just one behind Forgeholm now ...
That makes it 2 more needed to get ahead of them.
No - we don't aim for their spot to get a full cascade into motion. But I didn't follow all other changes as closely below us and don't know who is happy/unhappy in their spot right now.
About the Hunker Down bonus: So far there always has been some movement at the bottom - which would negate the Hunker Down Bonus for at least someone.
So it will be interesting what happens at the bottom this week.
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Hand of Abraxas has added two more votes, bringing their total to 10. This puts them at #27 in the Top 30, but Open Road's Hunker Down bonus means they stay on the bubble...so far.
Nine votes added today, though, says we need to keep an eye on the Hand.
There is some question as to whether or not Lee has been applying the hunker down bonus in the way that we thought. Going forward it seems only to apply to those cases of defending one's first choice, not their current position.
I am going to clarify a two rules here:
1. I had not been counting the hunker down bonus when determining who gets a settlement (i.e. the top 30 settlements), only to settle conflicts between the largest/oldest 30 settlements. Going forward I will include the hunker down bonus in choosing the top 30 settlements calculations.
2. Going forward, the hunker down bonus only applies if you are remaining in a settlement that is your first choice of settlement. Basically if you get into a less than ideal spot you can choose to try and keep it by hunkering down there and making it your first choice, or you can shoot for bigger fish if you want to risk losing the spot you have. Currently we have some guilds on the lower end of things that before this week were consistently ending up in their tenth choice, and trying to figure that out while also figuring out of all the slightly smaller settlements that may end up with a hunker down bonus due to ending up in their eighth slot for the third week is a lot of confusing math work that will lead to mistakes and confusion. So instead if you end up on the lower end of things but you like where you are, be like the Librarians of Doom and go Q all the way, all day, all the time such that they now need a guild nearly twice their size to displace them or knock them off the list. That is the type of strategic choice we're shooting for; the Librarians may not have the best spot, but by being consistent in their choice they will remain on board long after their size would warrant.
No one is safe in the bubble unless they are in their first choice, and there is a chance none of their previous hunker down bonus applies.
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No one is safe in the bubble unless they are in their first choice...
Very true, but acknowledging that leaves me with too little fun in writing my commentaries. I'm acting as if there's a bit of drama, even if I have to wink to find it; I'm basically supposing everyone's taken Lee's advice and are following the Librarians of Doom in leaving their main choice alone.
After all, the higher the Hunker Down bonus one's earned, and the lower one is in the Top 30, the more important it is to hang onto it by keeping whatever site you've got slotted as number one.
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Just one behind Forgeholm now ...
That makes it 2 more needed to get ahead of them.
No - we don't aim for their spot to get a full cascade into motion. But I didn't follow all other changes as closely below us and don't know who is happy/unhappy in their spot right now.
We are quite happy in our mountain home! (And we'd like to keep it that way, if you please. :)
Still, glad you got the Haggarsson's. They are a great addition to the Emerald Lodge!
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With 90 minutes to go:
- Hand of Abraxas has added 14 votes in one day, to take 20th place with 15 votes, knocking Open Road (who also lost one vote today) out of the Top 30
- Three groups--The Iron Gauntlet, Librarians of Doom, and The Guardians--are now on the bubble; each has nine votes, and will be knocked out of the Top 30 (in that order) by any group with 10 votes, or a group with nine votes and a lower Guild Number
- vVv Gaming has the lowest "protection" against losing their Settlement at Site J; their Hunker Down bonus won't protect them against any group in the Top 30 with 12 or more votes who wants to move there
More details are on Caldeathe's Excellent Spreadsheet.
Wow! Nice, Abraxus guys! Poor Open Roadrunners, though.
Nicknames r hard
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We have now equalized with Forgeholm. My original goal was to end up in the top 15 [I do include the 3 existing settlements in this number) with a secure settlement spot.
Well - lets see if we can break into the top 10 this week.
Forgeholm surely will try to get some more members themselves. But just a week ago there was still a considerable gap - so lets see if we manage one more member this week.
And even Dagedai seems no longer completely out of reach.
That leaves a group like Abraxus. Kabal seem to have run out of steam when they hit 30 (and even dropped back a little). With the speed that Abraxas came on this board I would expect they will grow further - but by how much?
Is there anything known about them? 15 members at this stage don't just happen - but you don't get them on these boards here either.
What happens at the bottom will be interesting due to the hunker down bonus - who gets it, who won't get it.
Open Road looks like the one most likely out - but who knows?
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Did we lose ground?
I didn't record your place last week, as you were in the Top 10, nor did I record your votes; others have that, but I've lost the links...oopsie.
Tavernhold's still in ninth place for the Land Rush, though, with 36 votes. That puts you three ahead of Sunholm, and eight behind the tie of Forgeholm and Emerald Lodge.
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Didn't he say that he was going to take into account the hunker down bonus rather than just say the top 33 and use hunker down as a tie breaker.
Thus allowing open road, in 35th place to keep their hex, if nobody can kick them out with numbers greater than their membership +hunker-down bonus.
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Didn't he say that he was going to take into account the hunker down bonus rather than just say the top 33 and use hunker down as a tie breaker.
Thus allowing open road, in 35th place to keep their hex, if nobody can kick them out with numbers greater than their membership +hunker-down bonus.
My read was, hunker down bonus only applies if you are in your first choice. So, unless those bottom 33 settle on their current location (and make it their first choice), they can get bumped by any group that has + 1 or an even number but higher seed.
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From This thread.
I am going to clarify a two rules here:
1. I had not been counting the hunker down bonus when determining who gets a settlement (i.e. the top 30 settlements), only to settle conflicts between the largest/oldest 30 settlements. Going forward I will include the hunker down bonus in choosing the top 30 settlements calculations.2. Going forward, the hunker down bonus only applies if you are remaining in a settlement that is your first choice of settlement. Basically if you get into a less than ideal spot you can choose to try and keep it by hunkering down there and making it your first choice, or you can shoot for bigger fish if you want to risk losing the spot you have. Currently we have some guilds on the lower end of things that before this week were consistently ending up in their tenth choice, and trying to figure that out while also figuring out of all the slightly smaller settlements that may end up with a hunker down bonus due to ending up in their eighth slot for the third week is a lot of confusing math work that will lead to mistakes and confusion. So instead if you end up on the lower end of things but you like where you are, be like the Librarians of Doom and go Q all the way, all day, all the time such that they now need a guild nearly twice their size to displace them or knock them off the list. That is the type of strategic choice we're shooting for; the Librarians may not have the best spot, but by being consistent in their choice they will remain on board long after their size would warrant.
