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"Intentionally displacing KotC from AB would be viewed as a very hostile act."
Threats of Hostility in an Open World PvP MMO
Acts of intentional hostility are expected and even desired. If you want to really threaten a hostile party, threaten them with everlasting peace or your unconditional surrender. Then what you would really be threatening them with is boredom.
If you threaten war, you give them what they want.
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Even if you relish hostility, planting yourself in a spot where you know you'll be surrounded by enemies who significantly outnumber you would be an unconventional strategic choice.
If their greater size is due to a lot of PvE players, ...? If there there is a strategic point that is easily blocked to close one flank, ...?
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Even if you relish hostility, planting yourself in a spot where you know you'll be surrounded by enemies who significantly outnumber you would be an unconventional strategic choice.
I think Kabal has been rather unconventional, although perhaps not intentionally hostile. However, when outnumbered a good strategy is to be unconventional.
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Even if you relish hostility, planting yourself in a spot where you know you'll be surrounded by enemies who significantly outnumber you would be an unconventional strategic choice.I think Kabal has been rather unconventional, although perhaps not intentionally hostile. However, when outnumbered a good strategy is to be unconventional.
Wasn't that Sun Tzu?
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We can't displace KotC, we would need another 20 people...
I don't see that as a veiled threat, more of an open statement. Of course it does feel like someone saying, Hey don't push that button! Even if i was not planing on pushing said button, now I kinda want to. :)
But it is a Big Red Button! With a Sign that says "Don't Push This Button!" And a hand pointing to that button!
Of course, telling everyone that we need 20+ more people to push out KOTC. whether we plan to or not, might just get a lot of people to come join us in this final week, just to see if we would do it.
Anyone else want to try to ignore the Big Red Button? Or give in to your impulse? [join Kabal is you do and see what happens]
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Wasn't that Sun Tzu?Even if you relish hostility, planting yourself in a spot where you know you'll be surrounded by enemies who significantly outnumber you would be an unconventional strategic choice.I think Kabal has been rather unconventional, although perhaps not intentionally hostile. However, when outnumbered a good strategy is to be unconventional.
Nope. Sun Tzu said when outnumbered either avoid the enemy or run.*
*III: Attack by stratagem: part 9
Intentionally displacing KotC from AB would be viewed as a very hostile act. I can't imagine anyone would do that without first talking to us (TEO, T7V, and KotC) unless they wanted us to view it as a hostile act.This is a game, and nobody owns their spot. While I wouldn't expect someone who's allied to bump us, I hardly think it counts as a "very hostile" act
Indeed. Thought I read somewhere this was a competition.
Even if you relish hostility, planting yourself in a spot where you know you'll be surrounded by enemies who significantly outnumber you would be an unconventional strategic choice.I think Kabal has been rather unconventional, although perhaps not intentionally hostile. However, when outnumbered a good strategy is to be unconventional.
Which is only slightly more well known than this: never go in against a Kabal when death is involved.
I got Vizzini.
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Competitions can take place on multiple layers. Saying that "I thought this was a competition" does not mean that you get to ignore the political dynamics at play in the competition.
PFO is a long-term competition. Sometimes the best move in a war is to avoid a battle you could have won.
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Competitions can take place on multiple layers. Saying that "I thought this was a competition" does not mean that you get to ignore the political dynamics at play in the competition.
PFO is a long-term competition. Sometimes the best move in a war is to avoid a battle you could have won.
Ayup.
On the other hand, if we get bumped, I'll be disappointed, but won't hate the bumpers. We all want the best we can get. Just because somebody has a large membership and has been in a spot for a while is no reason to forget it's a game.
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We, Kabal, Hereby Vow and Guarantee[1] that if we get enough new members before Week 10 ends, that we shall[2] bump KOTC from settlement AB.
Proclaimed this day before all witnesses!
[1] ,all guarantees and vows void where prohibited,
[2] make it sound like that we are actually threatening to
Competitions can take place on multiple layers. Saying that "I thought this was a competition" does not mean that you get to ignore the political dynamics at play in the competition.
PFO is a long-term competition. Sometimes the best move in a war is to avoid a battle you could have won.
I'm not ignoring politics, but issuing threats, veiled or otherwise, based on someone beating out your friend or ally in legitimate, fair, game-sponsored competition kind of undercuts your own legitimacy. It would be one thing if a group was antagonistic to you as part of the deal, but whatever "antagonistic" means, it has to be more than just winning over someone you'd prefer.
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Oh dear god, I really REALLY hope this doesn't turn into a "I don't want no trouble mister" situation whereby our dinner plans are scuttled due to overcast skies and a 98% chance of alleyway mugging.
Seriously though, sportsmanship and everything aside, I'm not so worried about Kabal displacing us, although there have been more famous last words as they say, but I don't really think the sassypants are that threatening. My basic point I was initially trying to make was that more than just KotC, the even the EBA would be heavily impacted by said hex being displaced, shifting pretty much all of our neighbors into less desirable, unplanned hexes.
This isn't the Unseen University here people, we don't advance through dead men's pointy shoes.
Lol, I'm not sure I understood that weather forecast.
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Nothing is certain, everything is permitted.
Although, I think there is room for a little lovin' for us all.
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So, it would be a good idea for EBA to make sure that their second hex choice is good for everyone and keeps them as neighbors. Or at least those that can actually move, not those who are "stuck" down there because they won Land Rush 1. :-)
Not threatening, just saying it would be a really smart back-up plan.
We have five that I know of.
Week Ten twist: Determined to surprise us, Kabal takes T!
Please?
:P
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If it were me and all consequences aside, E is currently the best single spot. Some coal, some wood (for cookies), not very close to iron, but close enough given lack of other prospectors. Close enough to between lots of coal and lots of iron to be commerce or big iron. F is too far from iron. AB is too far from coal and food, and not very close to wood which may be close enough as other will not contest.
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If it were me and all consequences aside, E is currently the best single spot. Some coal, some wood (for cookies), not very close to iron, but close enough given lack of other prospectors. Close enough to between lots of coal and lots of iron to be commerce or big iron. F is too far from iron. AB is too far from coal and food, and not very close to wood which may be close enough as other will not contest.
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I expect that W (currently Golgotha) holds 1 of T ring A uncontested. If they lose that, they are already lost and there is a new W owner. This is the best example disproving settlements are best to control ring A .
Caliambae, P, Q, W, AA, AB and AD have other examples but in some cases are still in locations to lay claim as no one else is close enough for each their remote "neighbor hexes, esp. Caliambae and AD. AB's remotes are in hands of an ally. P and Q may just agree to exchange remotes.
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E is very very nice.
B is very nice if you expand into the woods to the north once OE starts. [This assumes we can prevent any settlements forming on the top edge of the map when OE starts.]
AC is also very good if you are big enough so you can take all three terrain types and you can expand westward with little or no opposition, since GW said cutting across a road would cost more then if you didn't.
X is nice too. Again three terrain types nearby if you can take and hold them. Close to the road for protection of your trade and Thornkeep for training early on.
I doesn't have any opposition to hit the mountains and can expand northward as well.
O is nice with a crater hex nearby but lacking in stone and metals. But lots of food and no one wants to make farmers angry at them.
L is a lot like O but has a lot more towers that they could take with little or no opposition.
S is nice as it has the crater hex nearby but lacks unopposed expansion in the Tower Wars
U could expand and while not as close to the crater could access it easily enough.
Y could expand southward and could also take one of the three marsh hex towers.
Z can expand and has marsh hexes. Big enough group could take all three marsh hexes and be the sole provider of leather and any other products that only marshes can produce - for awhile.
AB could control half a mountain range and prevent other settlements forming there, if big enough.
C can expand westward.
D can expand northward once the bigger map gets used.
G could possibly hold three terrain types.
V and H also have future expansion possibilities.
So yeah, I would say anyone currently holding any of the above hexes should be worried about keeping them in this final week. Kabal isn't the only one who is planning ahead to the Tower Wars and then OE and where we can expand to create a nation.
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Actually Bringslite is the one who lit the fire successfully under this batch.
Yup, me always thought that 'lil lad was handsome, err special me meant. Ye lot are sure to be keeping them evil witchy-witches out yer settlement with him around. Yup, ye is!
<takes a swig of her mead>
