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I hope I can animate member's corpses.

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I've listed The Northern Coalition in the Guild Information portion of the Guild Recruitment & Helpful Links list.

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Thank you Nihimon.

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BurnHavoc wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
I am not a supporter of Bluddwolf's conditions, but since he's not speaking for Aragon, perhaps all that will amount to is a bit of IC discontent between our characters as we each strive to interpret the rules to our own benefit. ;)

More or less a lot of this is left to be hammered out when the actual mechanics of the game come into play, but even I personally disagree with Bluddwolf's interpretation.

I'd like to remind everyone here that this is a non-AGGRESSION pact, not an alliance. The idea is not to take aggressive actions that will adversely affect each others SETTLEMENTS. That is all. This is not your personal "time out" button.

Disagreeing without an explanation of what you are disagreeing to or why is not helpful. I have no way to clarify or consider what your view is. You could convince me to rethink my position.

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Gol Morbis wrote:
Thank you Nihimon.

It's what I do :)

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Bluddwolf wrote:
BurnHavoc wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
I am not a supporter of Bluddwolf's conditions, but since he's not speaking for Aragon, perhaps all that will amount to is a bit of IC discontent between our characters as we each strive to interpret the rules to our own benefit. ;)

More or less a lot of this is left to be hammered out when the actual mechanics of the game come into play, but even I personally disagree with Bluddwolf's interpretation.

I'd like to remind everyone here that this is a non-AGGRESSION pact, not an alliance. The idea is not to take aggressive actions that will adversely affect each others SETTLEMENTS. That is all. This is not your personal "time out" button.

Disagreeing without an explanation of what you are disagreeing to or why is not helpful. I have no way to clarify or consider what your view is. You could convince me to rethink my position.

For 1. The gear on a corpse has nothing to do with a non-aggression pact. Nor does petty theft in general. That is sorted out by the owner of the land it occurs on.

For 2. I don't think a single player joining a group doing anything short of attempts to take settlement land or holdings, or attacking a settlement directly, would really apply. Joining a general brawl on either side shouldn't really matter.

Either way, we're not here to micromanage individual actions nor impose each others justice systems on one another.

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BurnHavoc wrote:


For 1. The gear on a corpse has nothing to do with a non-aggression pact. Nor does petty theft in general. That is sorted out by the owner of the land it occurs on.

For 2. I don't think a single player joining a group doing anything short of attempts to take settlement land or holdings, or attacking a settlement directly, would really apply. Joining a general brawl on either side shouldn't really matter.

Either way, we're not here to micromanage individual actions nor impose each others justice systems on one another.

I should have written "you may feel compelled", not "you should be compelled", I really meant for the same meaning but it obviously didn't come off that way.

On the issue of brawls and duels, I agree... They are not serious enough to be considered a violation of non aggression.

Joining a group of unaffiliated to raid an affiliated member's caravan, outpost, poi or settlement would not match "non aggression" in my mind.

If you are a mercenary guard, member of Northern Coalition, but guarding an unaffiliated employer, this would be a situation that had not been discussed specifically. I will bring it up with the other members of be coalition.


Bluddwolf wrote:
Joining a group of unaffiliated to raid an affiliated member's caravan, outpost, poi or settlement would not match "non aggression" in my mind.

Like I said, the UNC is free to interpret things this way, and if they are given cause for distress at the actions of fellow Coalition members, they are free to file a notice with our Complaints Department. :)

Not speakin' for me buds at Freevale, obviously.


That being said, I never said anything about raiding POIs, outposts or settlements. I have no clue where you're getting that from. In fact, I completely glanced over it in my first reply, because it caught me totally out of left field. The only target of that list that I would consider would be caravans, and I never actually mentioned those—that would be somewhat more blatant than just fighting against some UNC agents in a caravan vs. bandits scenario.

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I can see it now: the map expands just prior to OE, and the floodgates of OE accounts come pouring in. Three new, massive meta-game groups come in and establish settlements all across the "new" Northern section of the map. They then form an alliance of sorts, and then mock the Northern Alliance for its silly name - being now centrally located on the map. ;)

(Just light-heartedly trolling, of course)

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
That being said, I never said anything about raiding POIs, outposts or settlements. I have no clue where you're getting that from. In fact, I completely glanced over it in my first reply, because it caught me totally out of left field. The only target of that list that I would consider would be caravans, and I never actually mentioned those—that would be somewhat more blatant than just fighting against some UNC agents in a caravan vs. bandits scenario.

I was talking in general terms, not directed at anything you specifically mentioned. I was also addressing BurnHavok's post.

The thing to remember here us that every nuance has not been addressed yet, and some will never be addressed. The Northern Coalition is simply a non aggression pact, nothing more at this time.

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I believe everyone signing did so with the understanding there is more to figure out. We are attempting to make this work and every party is operating in good faith. The game is under development, some specifics are just not knowable at this time. We all share a common interest in map location and game play goals, such as meaningful PvP.

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oh great.

another one. sigh.

;)

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While we haven't always agreed on every issue I have always seen Pax as a powerhouse of strength and a force not to be taken lightly.

It will be very interesting fighting alongside Pax and UNC. Woe to those who would oppose us.


Andius wrote:

While we haven't always agreed on every issue I have always seen Pax as a powerhouse of strength and an force not to be taken lightly.

It will be very interesting fighting alongside Pax and UNC. Woe to those who would oppose us.

TEO will crush you. We don't need T7V to do it. Period.

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Sheer numbers are going to count for far less than you assume they do. TEO is weak. It has weak leadership, weak membership, weak ideals, and a weak spirit. I have no fear of what you sheep have turned TEO into.


Andius wrote:
Sheer numbers are going to count for far less than you assume they do. TEO is weak. It has weak leadership, weak membership, weak ideals, and a weak spirit. I have no fear of what you sheep have turned TEO into.

Big talk from the guy we just ousted. The Northern Coalition was created because PAX fears the shit out of us, and as well they should.

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By the way, that isn't a TEO member, just a Troll, for those of you who didn't know.


TEO Cheatle wrote:
By the way, that isn't a TEO member, just a Troll, for those of you who didn't know.

Btw, I am a TEO member, just speaking anonymously. I haven't even told anyone in TEO who I am or that I'm doing this. We're friends btw Cheatle, but I wish to continue remaining anonymous. Sorry.

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Loth'Xal wrote:
Btw, I am a TEO member, just speaking anonymously. I haven't even told anyone in TEO who I am or that I'm doing this. We're friends btw Cheatle, but I wish to continue remaining anonymous. Sorry.

While this may be true, I kind of tend to doubt it. It seems more likely you're somebody that just wants to ruin TEO's reputation.

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Loth'Xal wrote:
Andius wrote:
Sheer numbers are going to count for far less than you assume they do. TEO is weak. It has weak leadership, weak membership, weak ideals, and a weak spirit. I have no fear of what you sheep have turned TEO into.
Big talk from the guy we just ousted. The Northern Coalition was created because PAX fears the s!#& out of us, and as well they should.

While I don't necessary agree with Andius's opinion, "Pax" doesn't fear anyone. Peace through fear, his will be done!

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I think it's safe to say he isn't from Pax, because he can't even get the capitalization right, and our leadership like to correct people on that quite a lot :P. (Just joking around btw, for all I know he is Pax. Who really cares though?)

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I am eager to discover who will sack whose cities. I expect that multipolar superpower politics will be a good thing for the map. And I guess new players trying to reach Brighthaven will provide good content for UNC recruits to practice on. I just want to see how it goes.

Hopefully these discoveries will be made amid a bloodbath of biblical proportions.


Aet Areks Kel'Goran wrote:
Loth'Xal wrote:
Andius wrote:
Sheer numbers are going to count for far less than you assume they do. TEO is weak. It has weak leadership, weak membership, weak ideals, and a weak spirit. I have no fear of what you sheep have turned TEO into.
Big talk from the guy we just ousted. The Northern Coalition was created because PAX fears the s!#& out of us, and as well they should.
While I don't necessary agree with Andius's opinion, "Pax" doesn't fear anyone. Peace through fear, his will be done!

Areks, you wouldn't have created this coalition if you weren't afraid of us. This came as a response to your fear from the Roseblood Accord. What's ironic is that we were stronger before we joined with T7V and they're untrustworthy back-handed politics. So yes, you do fear us.

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Seeing as how Loth'Xal appeared right after the community told Andius to give his petty hurt ego a rest and went out of his way to mention Andius by name in another thread and has been trolling back and forth with him only about TEO and T7V ever since, he could easily be Andius under a separately registered Paizo account.

Said me, Proxima Sin, out in the open.

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This issue or non issue between TEO and TSV has no bearing on this thread, it is not germane to this thread and so I ask that you all kindly take it elsewhere.

If any of you have a direct question to ask about the coalition, we will be glad to hear them. We will also try to address them as best that we can, but at the very least you will get a response that is TBD.

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Bluddwolf wrote:
BurnHavoc wrote:


For 1. The gear on a corpse has nothing to do with a non-aggression pact. Nor does petty theft in general. That is sorted out by the owner of the land it occurs on.

For 2. I don't think a single player joining a group doing anything short of attempts to take settlement land or holdings, or attacking a settlement directly, would really apply. Joining a general brawl on either side shouldn't really matter.

Either way, we're not here to micromanage individual actions nor impose each others justice systems on one another.

I should have written "you may feel compelled", not "you should be compelled", I really meant for the same meaning but it obviously didn't come off that way.

On the issue of brawls and duels, I agree... They are not serious enough to be considered a violation of non aggression.

Joining a group of unaffiliated to raid an affiliated member's caravan, outpost, poi or settlement would not match "non aggression" in my mind.

If you are a mercenary guard, member of Northern Coalition, but guarding an unaffiliated employer, this would be a situation that had not been discussed specifically. I will bring it up with the other members of be coalition.

Ok, I take it back, we're totally on the same page then :)

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I do spend quite a bit of time checking most of the official things that get posted here. As for Pax fearing TEO we really don't have a reason to.


Gol Phyllain wrote:
I do spend quite a bit of time checking most of the official things that get posted here. As for Pax fearing TEO we really don't have a reason to.

You keep telling yourself that Golgathans. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Alright, I'm checking out of this thread. Take it easy.

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Congratulation on the coalition!

The troll in no TEO Member, also.

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I think Pax and TEO has other things to be afraid of than each other or their allies...

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BrotherZael wrote:
I think Pax and TEO has other things to be afraid of than each other or their allies...

This one intrigues me. Explain.

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Loth'Xal wrote:
Andius wrote:
Sheer numbers are going to count for far less than you assume they do. TEO is weak. It has weak leadership, weak membership, weak ideals, and a weak spirit. I have no fear of what you sheep have turned TEO into.
Big talk from the guy we just ousted. The Northern Coalition was created because PAX fears the s+&@ out of us, and as well they should.

I would be surprised if you were a member of TEO and not an outsider looking to instigate tensions between TEO and Pax/T7V with your arrogant and rude taunts. If you are someone who is apart of TEO and this is your genuine effort to help TEO in some fashion, I question your judgement and suggest you seek advice from someone you trust via PM's. Cheatle may be a good candidate if the two of you are in fact truly friends.

Congratulations to the citizens of the settlements Aragon, Golgotha, Callambea and Freevale! That is quite a diverse population that puts you in a great position of strength!

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FMS Quietus wrote:
BrotherZael wrote:
I think Pax and TEO has other things to be afraid of than each other or their allies...
This one intrigues me. Explain.

heh. heh heh heh. heheheheheh. No.

Actually, you'd have more luck trying to get answers out of them than me xD and seeing as they don't know the full extent...


Kirane TEO wrote:
Loth'Xal wrote:
Andius wrote:
Sheer numbers are going to count for far less than you assume they do. TEO is weak. It has weak leadership, weak membership, weak ideals, and a weak spirit. I have no fear of what you sheep have turned TEO into.
Big talk from the guy we just ousted. The Northern Coalition was created because PAX fears the s+&@ out of us, and as well they should.
I would be surprised if you were a member of TEO and not an outsider looking to instigate tensions between TEO and Pax/T7V with your arrogant and rude taunts. If you are someone who is apart of TEO and this is your genuine effort to help TEO in some fashion, I question your judgement and suggest you seek advice from someone you trust via PM's. Cheatle may be a good candidate if the two of you are in fact truly friends.

Alright, thanks. But I know I'm not the only TEO'er who feels like this. Anyways, I'll stop for now. Best of luck NC! :-)

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As a member of Freevale and a raging barbarian of the Stone Bear Clan, I just want to point out that this doesn't make me friends with the other members that have signed this.

This is no Roseblood Accord.

If I am out in the wilderness and I happen upon a pitched battle between TEO and Pax I am not going to help either side. I will avoid it, and be about my business. Or I might loot some corpses.

The point is, I don't consider myself obligated to assist the other signatories of the northern coalition. I just won't rage all over their faces upon site, unless they offer insult.

The only loyalty I have is to my company of Rage brothers and sisters and to my settlement.

I fully intend to keep the PvP skills of certain members of the UNC nice and sharp by ambushing them on the regular, but it will be good-natured fun ;)

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FMS Quietus wrote:
BrotherZael wrote:
I think Pax and TEO has other things to be afraid of than each other or their allies...
This one intrigues me. Explain.

Why would two of the larger blocs want to battle each other, destabilizing the economy and wearing down their resources, just so Daenerys Targaryen can cross the Inner Sea with her dragons and take over everything?

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I choose my friend's better than that.

FMS Quietus, BrotherZael is talking about the seeding that is currently taking place by larger outside forces that aren't a part of the current community. Essentially, we have bigger issues than each other, which we do, and which I have been stating in every thread possible, and mostly ignored.

Anyways, G'luck to you and yours. There was always going to be a power vacuum, better to see Pax take up the mantle, than those that would do the community harm.

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Proxima Sin of Brighthaven wrote:
FMS Quietus wrote:
BrotherZael wrote:
I think Pax and TEO has other things to be afraid of than each other or their allies...
This one intrigues me. Explain.
Why would two of the larger blocs want to battle each other, destabilizing the economy and wearing down their resources, just so Daenerys Targaryen can cross the Inner Sea with her dragons and take over everything?

Yeah, but... dragons!

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Proxima Sin of Brighthaven wrote:
Why would two of the larger blocs want to battle each other, destabilizing the economy and wearing down their resources, just so Daenerys Targaryen can cross the Inner Sea with her dragons and take over everything?

Why do people always fight? Why do people always move in formation, use guards, look over their shoulder's, whisper, delve in secrecy?

Why ever is there dark corners and shady taverns, I wonder?

I seem to do a lot of that these days, no?

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Cheatle, good answer, and no lie that is a part of it. but not the entirety.


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I'm gonna call shenanigans and say Brother's just pulling the "I know something you don't know!" card, and doesn't actually have squat more than what Cheatle just said. No offense, Zael. :P

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None taken, KC, however I will be honest in saying I do this time.

The first time I showed up and started going on was all BS but now, because of that, I do have stuff to go on xD

you silly, gullible little *ahem* ;0

Edit: "you" being the general audience, and "first time" being when I first started publicly commenting

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We live in interesting times indeed ...

I hope smaller independent settlements who - by choice or mistake - end up in the north won't be in trouble now.

The irony of this is - some well meaning people tried to convince me that Aragon was settling in V next to the Emerald Spire and recommended some good northern spots to settle for me instead.

Not saying this can't happen anymore - but it would seem odd given the name of the coalition.

Well - I guess just one day more to wait and see what will be happening. I tried to stear a clear path - trying to give my settlement a reason in game to exist. I certainly won't complain if my chances to end up where I tried to go would increase.

Interesting times indeed ...

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The other thing Zael is talking about, is how certain key members of certain organizations have allied themselves with the two major shadow organizations. Those organizations are separate from everything that is currently going on, with completely different agendas.

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The RKTC is happy with this non agression pact.

My neutral traders and couriers will try to maneuver this pact carefully, showing their Badge of Neutrality whenever needed.

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Lord Zodd wrote:
The point is, I don't consider myself obligated to assist the other signatories of the northern coalition. I just won't rage all over their faces upon site, unless they offer insult.

Unless individual settlements wish to develop the relationship further, which for mutual benefit, some are likely to do in the future, this is simply a nonaggression pact. Signatories are under no obligation to defend one another, though personally, I would lend a healing hand to anyone I know is from the Northern Coalition if I saw them in need.

Lord Zodd wrote:
I fully intend to keep the PvP skills of certain members of the UNC nice and sharp by ambushing them on the regular, but it will be good-natured fun ;)

On this one, I suggest checking with Ravenlute or your settlement leadership, as it does not sound in keeping with the Coalition's nonaggression pact. I leave that to you and your leadership to work out, since Northern Coalition members do not have any interest in micromanaging each other's settlements or membership. If, however, you mean some prearranged PvP activity that the UNC is mutually interested in enjoying with you, again, that's up to those involved, because again, Northern Coalition members do not have any interest in micromanaging each other's settlements or membership.

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Xeen wrote:
In Eve, Goons were not part of the original Northern Coalition

More importantly, Northern Coalition was in complete opposition to BoB, which many believe were far worse than Goonswarm.

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Lord Zodd wrote:
I fully intend to keep the PvP skills of certain members of the UNC nice and sharp by ambushing them on the regular, but it will be good-natured fun ;)
On this one, I suggest checking with Ravenlute or your settlement leadership, as it does not sound in keeping with the Coalition's nonaggression pact. I leave that to you and your leadership to work out, since Northern Coalition members do not have any interest in micromanaging each other's settlements or membership. If, however, you mean some prearranged PvP activity that the UNC is mutually interested in enjoying with you, again, that's up to those involved, because again, Northern Coalition members do not have any interest in micromanaging each other's settlements or membership.

I know what he's talking about here and it's more akin to a rivalry than anything else. It shouldn't interfere with the conditions of this pact.

It does lead me to a point though. Freevale is an interesting place. The Companies and Free Agents that reside there have a lot of common ideals but do not always agree. Stone Bear Clan is an aggressive Company and it took some serious thought for me personally to be okay with the idea of not setting fire to the occasional Xeilias watchtower. Even a barbarian knows it is foolish to make an enemy of everyone however and I believe that we (Stone Bear Clan) are willing to ignore the presence of those infected by lawful tendencies so long as they do not encroach upon our land or attempt to enslave us. With that in mind we cast our vote that Freevale should go forward with this pact and here we are. I want to thank Gpunk for putting up with me through out this process.

Finally, this is not a declaration of war against those not currently signed on as part of the Northern Coalition. Any comments by anyone stating such a thing are moronic and should be ignored.

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Ravenlute wrote:
EoX Hobs wrote:
Lord Zodd wrote:
I fully intend to keep the PvP skills of certain members of the UNC nice and sharp by ambushing them on the regular, but it will be good-natured fun ;)
On this one, I suggest checking with Ravenlute or your settlement leadership, as it does not sound in keeping with the Coalition's nonaggression pact. I leave that to you and your leadership to work out, since Northern Coalition members do not have any interest in micromanaging each other's settlements or membership. If, however, you mean some prearranged PvP activity that the UNC is mutually interested in enjoying with you, again, that's up to those involved, because again, Northern Coalition members do not have any interest in micromanaging each other's settlements or membership.

I know what he's talking about here and it's more akin to a rivalry than anything else. It shouldn't interfere with the conditions of this pact.

It does lead me to a point though. Freevale is an interesting place. The Companies and Free Agents that reside there have a lot of common ideals but do not always agree. Stone Bear Clan is an aggressive Company and it took some serious thought for me personally to be okay with the idea of not setting fire to the occasional Xeilias watchtower. Even a barbarian knows it is foolish to make an enemy of everyone however and I believe that we (Stone Bear Clan) are willing to ignore the presence of those infected by lawful tendencies so long as they do not encroach upon our land or attempt to enslave us. With that in mind we cast our vote that Freevale should go forward with this pact and here we are. I want to thank Gpunk for putting up with me through out this process.

Finally, this is not a declaration of war against those not currently signed on as part of the Northern Coalition. Any comments by anyone stating such a thing are moronic and should be ignored.

Okay so I'm confused. Is this non-aggression coalition binding and no party involved can attack each other? Or is this this coalition merely protecting ones estates (POIs and Settlements)?

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