Birdcruncher Crown and Justice Ironbriar


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This is sort of related to the FAQ update for Dominate. Though Birdcruncher Crown is already clear that you can search "your" location. The other day our group was playing The Cult Exposed. When we encountered Justice Ironbriar, another player at the location drew a random monster before the encounter and happened to draw a goblin. He also happened to have Birdcruncher Crown in his hand. And he defeated the goblin. After some thought, we ruled to let him search the location to find a boon, shuffle it, then we resumed the encounter with Justice Ironbriar.

Basically, we treated him like as faceup card, sort of like collapsed ceiling. And plus, using Birdcruncher Crown is fun. But I was just curious what others (would) have done.

Scarab Sages

Birdcruncher Crown doesn't say it only triggers on encounters, just when you defeat a bane with the Goblin Trait. I'd say you played it right.


Yeah, I was more wondering about the Justice Ironbriar being the top card of the deck part. We basically set him aside and searched the deck, shuffled it, and then put him back on top faceup. We didn't shuffle him with the rest of the deck. That was the part that was a bit different.

Scarab Sages

Ah. That is more tricky... Is there any other situation that might cause you to reshuffle a bane into a deck after encountering it but without either defeating or evading it?

Hmm... I could see it resolving a third way as well, since the goblin encounter is part of the encounter with Justicar Ironbriar, I could see the ruling being that the two combat checks happen "simultaneously" as part of the same step of the encounter process, in which case you would finish defeating Ironbriar, then trigger the crown afterward. Then the question becomes do you get to search the deck before the location is closed and the remaining cards banished.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

You did the right thing. A new rules sidebar in S&S covers this:

"Sometimes a card is left faceup on the top of the location deck.... The card is still in the deck, but it can only be shuffled into the deck when the condition that caused it to be left faceup on the deck has been resolved."

The main intent of that was to tell you what to do with cards that are faceup on the location deck *after* the exploration, like Collapsed Ceiling, but it happily covers this too—in this case, the "condition that caused it to be left faceup" is that you're encountering it.

Scarab Sages

Thanks Vic! How about if you defeat a Villain with the Goblin attribute? Do you get to recharge the Birdcruncher Crown and search the location deck the villain is at before the game ends, or does the game end immediately upon the villain's defeat?


Gavri3l wrote:
Thanks Vic! How about if you defeat a Villain with the Goblin attribute? Do you get to recharge the Birdcruncher Crown and search the location deck the villain is at before the game ends, or does the game end immediately upon the villain's defeat?

I think I'd say you could search it. Here is the Encountering a Villain Sequence:

Rulebook v3 p24 wrote:

Encountering a Villain

Attempt to temporarily close open locations.
Encounter the villain.
If you defeat the villain, close the villain’s location.
Check to see whether the villain escapes.

So the Birdcrucher Crown is taking place at the same point as the "If you defeat the villain, close the villain’s location." Taking this rule in mind:

Rulebook v3 p22 wrote:
That said, if the game doesn’t specify an order for things, you decide the order.

So if you wanted to do Birdcruncher Crown first, you could do so.

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