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It seems that there is a very real threat starting in August that players might start jumping ship to D&D Next.

So is there anything happening with PFS that is worth getting excited about?

There seems to only be downers:

A whole season based on a sci/fantasy hybrid seems to be a downer for many players, many players I talk to have no interest in this.

It looks like support for 12+ characters is getting pulled, so this puts a damper for experienced players who have high level characters they love to play.

Modules are not being sanctioned at this time, will they ever be sanctioned or is PFS pulling the plug on these too? This severely limits playing options for players who have played most of the sanctioned stuff already out there.

So with all this bad news is anything good happening? Even theories on anything good? Anything to get excited about?


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This is likely an un-repliable thread. The people who are excited don't know enough to cite anything specific to be excited about, and the people who aren't excited would be accused of trolling if they posted.

-Matt

Liberty's Edge 5/5

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As much as there's stuff about PFS that disappoints me, Wizards has disappointed me 100x worse. I'll be sticking with Paizo/PFS for the foreseeable future.

So in short: No, there's nothing to look forward to except the promise that Pathfinder RPG/PFS won't turn into 4e/LFR.

5/5 ⦵⦵

You're probably right but man do I need something to stick with my current full time passion of PFS. Otherwise I will at least give D&D next a shot and try it out.

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roysier wrote:
You're probably right but man do I need something to stick with my current full time passion of PFS. Otherwise I will at least give D&D next a shot and try it out.

What's wrong with doing both?

Silver Crusade

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I'm probably going to keep playing for quite some time. Honestly, 4e was a huge let down for me and I am going to have to take a long hard look at D&D next before I decide to give it an honest go around. If a lot of the people I play with on a regular basis outside of PFS (all of which I also play PFS with) jump ship I might consider the expenditure.

Also I am heavily invested in Pathfinder money wise so the idea of blowing an equal amount of money on new material doesn't exactly have me thrilled.

WotC if anything has proven to me to be extremely reckless with the IPs. I'm not saying that Paizo is innocent, just that in general I think they are better at making wise product decisions.

Also I took a huge step away from TTRPGs for a while so if Pathfinder kind of flounders and I'm not impressed with D&D next, I'm not above just taking a break and focusing on other hobbies for a period of time.

If D&D next is super awesome then I will probably switch but I also wouldn't be surprised if Paizo creates a PF 2.0 should they lose a significant consumer base. A PF 2.0 would probably have me jump back to PF as, from my experience at least, Paizo makes better design choices and listens to consumer feedback more readily.

Silver Crusade

redward wrote:
roysier wrote:
You're probably right but man do I need something to stick with my current full time passion of PFS. Otherwise I will at least give D&D next a shot and try it out.
What's wrong with doing both?

MONEYSSSS

Sczarni 5/5 ⦵⦵

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

I have friends that are excited about D&D Next, but I'm happy with Pathfinder (and PFS) right now. PFS has pretty much encompassed all of my gaming since I started in 2012, with very few complaints.

When 4th Edition was released my friends and I gave it a shot. We played a 6 game campaign and compared its mechanics, style and feel to 3.5, just like we did when 3rd Edition was released and we had been playing 2nd. The difference was we didn't like 4th, so we continued with 3rd. When a buddy later brought over a copy of the Core Rulebook we got excited. Those of us that had home campaigns created with 3.5 rules could transition them to Pathfinder easier than we could to 4th, and we saw Pathfinder as an evolution of 3.5, rather than a totally new game system.

And Pathfinder had gnomes as a core race.

I didn't take part in the D&D Next playtest other than to look over a couple of the documents. I thought a couple elements were okay, but again, it's a totally new rules system. And I see Hasbro continuing to do that from edition to edition in order to sell more products. So you can bet when 6th Edition comes out, it'll be completely different from all previous editions, and you'll have to learn another set of rules. I'm not interested in that.

(as I type this, I wonder if this thread will get locked due to the "no edition warring" clause of the forums)


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wait are all my friends still fun people?
then yes, the future is bright for PFS

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

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Emerald Spire.
Numeria. (Well, some people think it's cool.)
The A-B-C-D conditions having real impact in the organized play campaign.

For a couple of years, D&D is going to focus on getting its feet under it: core classes, core monsters, core mechanics. Meanwhile, Pathfinder is a mature system with hybrid classes, a plethora of playable races, and a vibrant system setting.

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The advanced class guide, and probably more support for those classes. I don't know where paizo can go after that, but it should be fun to watch.

5/5 Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka Pirate Rob

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Hopefully John Compton's blog today is aweseome.

Sczarni

I ended up quitting the d&dnext playtest I joined because the group turned out to be flaky as hell. And it took me so long to find a group to gm through paizo APs with on non pfs weekends that I have too much invested in paizo stuff to leave and go to wotc.

Silver Crusade

After being burned by 4th ed, and given the amount of $$ I have tied up in Pathfinder, there is zero chance I play DnD Next. The Hasbro factor also really turns me off. Also, how easily they gave up on 4th also is not a good sign.

Scarab Sages 5/5 RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

Personally I am excited about this year's Free RPG Day release: Risen from the Sands. It looks pretty cool and it will be sanctioned for PFS.

Hint: It is already listed in the event scheduling/reporting tool.


I can't imagine anything other than awesome in our future. I expect a few players to jump ship for a bit, but I also expect consistent quality to continue to grow my player base. PFS is still the best game in town.

Lantern Lodge

I am quite excited about both Pathfinder and the next edition of D&D. I expect that both of these editions will be played in our house. I also expect to have to buy even more bookshelves. I am happy that the gaming industry is healthy enough to allow me to play all sorts of systems. (Though D&D holds a special place in my heart because that's how I met my husband and I met each other.)

The Exchange

I am very tempted to post something pessimistic and add to the doom & gloom. Usually when I do that, John or Mike follow up with something so awesome that it makes me regret my lapse in faith.

5/5 Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka Pirate Rob

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I always feel down about PFS in April/early May.

With KublaCon coming at the end of May we don't play the new scenarios locally. Normally I'd try and make module play work but we're 2 modules behind in sanctioning at the moment.

Almost all the big releases have already been announced due to GAMA trade show in May and needing to schedule GenCon so early.

Also PFS is buzy working hard on getting the end of the season/beginning of the season working.

My excitement tends to pick up around PaizoCon although I won't be attending this year.

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At the moment I've been occupying myself with the Adventure Card Game. I really didn't like it when I first played it back at PaizoCon in 2012 but I received it as a gift last month and have been really enjoying it since.

Silver Crusade

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I have for the most part been quite happy with what Paizo has produced and I have been happy with the Pathfinder game.

I also have liked the adventure paths. Some I have liked more then others (King Maker, Reigh of WInter, Wrath of the Righteous) . There are a couple of APs I don't really like ( Skulls & Shackles Serpent Skull) but for the most part I have liked the APS. Now the upcoming Iron Gods AP, I'm not what to make if it. I'm not terribly excited about it because I don't really like mixing my fantasy with my sci fi, but I may be surprised. I may find it interesting, and I may like it. I am at least willing to take a look at the AP. Who knows, I really liked Fire Fly, a mixture of a "western" and "Sci FI'....six shooters and starships!

Is there anything that Paizo is publishing to be excited about? The advanced class guide looks interesting. They have just published the Inner Sea Gods hard cover, which i am happily digesting now. What's around the corner? I don't know.

But I do know that more often then not, I am surprised by what Paizo publishes.

Am I worried about 5th edition? Not really. I'll take a look at it. If I like it I may buy the core books. I will most likely play a few games to see if i like it. And if i do like 5th edition then i can play both 5th edition and Pathfinder.

Will some people leave Pathfinder for 5th edition?...sure some people will. I think there is certainly enough room for both 5th edition and Pathfinder. Besides, the competition should be good for the creativity of the developers and writers of both games.

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roysier wrote:

It seems that there is a very real threat starting in August that players might start jumping ship to D&D Next.

So is there anything happening with PFS that is worth getting excited about?

There seems to only be downers:

A whole season based on a sci/fantasy hybrid seems to be a downer for many players, many players I talk to have no interest in this.

It looks like support for 12+ characters is getting pulled, so this puts a damper for experienced players who have high level characters they love to play.

Modules are not being sanctioned at this time, will they ever be sanctioned or is PFS pulling the plug on these too? This severely limits playing options for players who have played most of the sanctioned stuff already out there.

So with all this bad news is anything good happening? Even theories on anything good? Anything to get excited about?

Just thought I would chime in with my $0.02:

Numeria / Science Fantasy: Seems to me like a lot of people are excited about Numeria, but you're right that potential losses could occur. Also keep in mind that not all scenarios revolve around the season's main theme.

Lack of high level support: Yeah, the rumors last year did get my hopes up. It kind of sucks that high level content fell by the wayside. I love playing high level. I'm not even sure why this got swept away.

Module Sanctioning: Not sure. If they pull the plug, that really reeks. But, since John alluded to a blog that he's coming out with in your earlier post about modules, hopefully he comes with the awesome.

As to exciting, I'm pretty juiced about Numeria. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm excited. 10 new classes in the ACG is pretty awesome in my book, too. I've already got a concept character for a Skald and a Brawler.

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Lack of high level support: Yeah, the rumors last year did get my hopes up. It kind of sucks that high level content fell by the wayside. I love playing high level. I'm not even sure why this got swept away.

As far as I'm aware it's due to budget issues. PFS just isn't given a big enough budget by Paizo to do all of the things they want to do.


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guys even if the season is like 'oh hai numeria' it is not like every scenario is going to be battling james jacobs who is wielding two light sabers while riding a clockwork shark that is shooting beams of pure steampunk out of its cyber eyes

jeez

look at scenarios that happened during this 'zomg demons' season, like Library of the Lion and Glass River Rescue

nary a demon in sight, but much fun to be had

relax my droogs and let the magic happen

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I've never understood the call for sanctioning of high-level modules. I mean, once you're past the level ranges of scenarios, you're no longer just showing up to game days and playing whatever's available. Instead, you're coordinating with a consistent group to play a stable set of PCs that will never be with a random group again. Since you're doing that anyway, who cares if you're getting PFS credit? Couldn't you just have the whole group use their PFS PCs as starting points, then keep playing "off the grid" as long as you like? What does higher-than-12th official credit actually get you? Am I missing something?


Jiggy wrote:
I've never understood the call for sanctioning of high-level modules. I mean, once you're past the level ranges of scenarios, you're no longer just showing up to game days and playing whatever's available. Instead, you're coordinating with a consistent group to play a stable set of PCs that will never be with a random group again. Since you're doing that anyway, who cares if you're getting PFS credit? Couldn't you just have the whole group use their PFS PCs as starting points, then keep playing "off the grid" as long as you like? What does higher-than-12th official credit actually get you? Am I missing something?

GM Stars for one! Also, I could imagine a lot of players at FLGS who play higher level sanctioned content NOT playing if it wasn't sanctioned. We all have different gaming experiences though.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Jiggy, you could do that at any level.

Scarab Sages 5/5 RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

Jiggy wrote:
I've never understood the call for sanctioning of high-level modules. I mean, once you're past the level ranges of scenarios, you're no longer just showing up to game days and playing whatever's available. Instead, you're coordinating with a consistent group to play a stable set of PCs that will never be with a random group again. Since you're doing that anyway, who cares if you're getting PFS credit? Couldn't you just have the whole group use their PFS PCs as starting points, then keep playing "off the grid" as long as you like? What does higher-than-12th official credit actually get you? Am I missing something?

Well, if you have a large enough player base, it is not necessarily the same 4-6 characters all the time at higher levels.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 Venture-Captain, Indiana—Northern

I am completely turned off by Numeria. I don't like robots and science fiction in my Pathfinder (or other similar games for that matter.) But I'm not skipping season 6 because of it. Not all scenarios will have such items, much like a lot of the season 5 scenarios didn't have demons (BOOO!!!)

I still have tons of scenarios from past seasons I have to play or GM, and I'm starting a Runelords campaign (not PFS) for my home group.

I'm excited about Pathfinder in general - it has done a greaat job.

Will I look at D&D? Sure. It was the game that got me into the hobby way back in 1979, and I was so disenchanted by 4e that I feel like I owe D&D a chance. It won't, however, take priority over Pathfinder fo rme.


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The A-B-C-D conditions having real impact in the organized play campaign.

I completely disagree that this is something that most people feel excited for. As far as I am aware, I don't think that there are any scenarios currently released where the A-B-C-D have had any impact on them. While they may have an effect in the future, right now most players haven't seen any impact on that their choices have had in scenarios.


I've only been playing Pathfinder and Society for the past year and must say that i have been super happy with all the new friends i've made and enjoy the system quite a bit. Society could use some work but overall i've really enjoyed my experience with it. As far as "more content" is concerned, outside the new classes and what goes into expanding them i don't really see a need for a ton more. Building the rest of the world would be nice. PFS scenarios/modules and adventure paths is about all they really need to publish.

As to 4e and D&D Next. I still play 4e with my last group since they haven't joined me in crossing over to Pathfinder and don't really intend to but i still have a ton of fun with them and enjoy 4e for what it is. I fully intend to play D&D Next when it comes out because it's D&D and i just can't not play it. I'll try to find as much fun in that system as i can while still enjoying PFS and 4e.

I'm sure there will be a ton of folks who "jump ship" for Next to try it out just as a ton of new folks here i'm sure were people coming from 4e and what not. It's just the nature of these games.

My ultimate hope is that both Paizo continues to bring us top notch goods and Hasbro figures out that the D&D brand needs to carry on and they put out some top notch goods to get us excited. The world is big enough for both so i want to see them both thrive. Plus it would be really good for my store. ;)

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Jiggy wrote:
Couldn't you just have the whole group use their PFS PCs as starting points, then keep playing "off the grid" as long as you like? What does higher-than-12th official credit actually get you? Am I missing something?

You could, but the pfs play allows the gm to get their credit, the players to get theirs too fwiw, and also the thing I no loot division discussions, no crafting making a sudden appearance, and no arguments over people now wanting to play some funky thing not allowed by pfs.

The ease of pfs plug and play makes it viable. Small stuff, but big enough to make a difference.

No arguments over loot is worth it alone.

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When I saying lack of support for high level content I was talking about going forward; the specials are now tiers 1-11 not 1-15 anymore. Wardens of the Reborn Forge module (lvl 12-14) has been out 6 months and it does not look like it's going to get sanctioned at all. And that's disappointing because I know of a dozen players or so who have already been through Eyes of the 10 and were looking to this module for their 2nd level 12 character.


roysier wrote:
When I saying lack of support for high level content I was talking about going forward; the specials are now tiers 1-11 not 1-15 anymore. Wardens of the Reborn Forge module (lvl 12-14) has been out 6 months and it does not look like it's going to get sanctioned at all. And that's disappointing because I know of a dozen players or so who have already been through Eyes of the 10 and were looking to this module for their 2nd level 12 character.

It does seem that 12+ play is really starting to take off just as PFS is dropping it. For example, eight of the 45 PCs signed up for Race for the Runecarved Key at Conline this weekend are 13+.

We're way overdue for more 12+ material, but I see why PFS is dropping it. Supporting four level bands is apparently tough enough.

Meanwhile, the expansion of content is apparently coming from the Adventure Card Game, content which likely takes significantly fewer resources to develop and has a significantly higher profit margin associated with the product being sold.

-Matt

Digital Products Assistant

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Removed a couple posts. Guys, please keep in mind that edition warring is not something we're OK with here.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

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The only thing that interests me about Next is that Wizards has contracted Kobold Press to do the adventures rather than write them in-house.

Liberty's Edge

Im with Redward above. Why is there this need for some players to think we as a hobby group .. hell we as gamers can only play with one game system?

I play PFS because it is a way for me to game. My old gaming groups are long gone, I still like to game so I found out about it and joined in (and then came all the purchasing of books). Does that mean I would no longer play 3.5 with the books I already have or 4e?

No It dosnt. Im simply limited in gaming in what is currently being supported by other people. If people want to game with 4e, Ill join in. Pathfinder? Im in.

I dont consider myself a Pathfinder person or a Wizards person or a FASA person or a Games Workshop person. I purchase the gaming products that I think are interesting to me. Of course Im limited to funds too, but its amazing what we can manage to scrounge if we really want to purchase something.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville aka thaX

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There is plenty to get excited about.

The new format for the Modules means multiple areas of levels that can be used for PFS play.

The new Emerald Spire super dungeon is shaping up to be a nice addition to the game.

Advanced Class Guide!!!

Inner Sea stuff being released right now looks good.

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I am so happy, I do the dance of JOY!!

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D&D Next has Encounters, but no "living campaign" organized play in sight yet as far as I know. That alone will keep me engaged with Pathfinder, and that is not even the only reason to stick around.

Scarab Sages

roysier wrote:

It seems that there is a very real threat starting in August that players might start jumping ship to D&D Next.

Given the dislike of 4th Edition (I didn't dislike it - heck I did a scales of war campaign up to 30th level) but the campaign 4e went off the rails pretty quick after paragon, the real question is whether D&D Next going to have enough to pull Pathfinders.

Statements about what didn't make it into the final rules do not make me confident - for some reason complexity is an evil D&D Next strives to avoid (see below) but is there going to be a new D&D Campaign run by Wizards? A lot of people I know only do Pathfinder Society Campaign and would need another campaign to fill it.

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"..a system that replaces the traditional +2 bonus or -2 penalty mechanic to cut down on math,,"

".. While the concept of giving a flail a trip attack "sounded cool" in theory, the rules became bloated with a degree of complexity the dev team opted to avoid..."

"..the Concentration rule - which allows spellcasters to only have one concentration spell in effect at a time - adds a little bit of complexity in order to reduce a greater amount of complexity. Sure, players have to track which concentration spells are in effect, but the result is fewer buffs and control effects to keep track of...."

Liberty's Edge

In my town we have a large Pathfinder and large 4E groups which play at the local game store. However I have noticed that I never see 'Pathfinder' people at the LFR game days and vice-versa. I am the only player to does both. There seems to be a poor mentality here also that you can either play one or the other, and if D&D Next does well it is bad for Pathfinder, so we should root for it to suck. It seems like a very poor attitude. Dual gaming seems like a good solution for those constantly moaning about not enough Pathfinder scenarios to play.

Silver Crusade

While I am a Team Pathfinder girl through and through, there is nothing wrong with taking a look and playing different systems. If anything, it gives you a break, and allows you to fall in love with the game all over again.

For me, when not playing Pathfinder, I have been playing dice light, diceless and fate dice systems like Fiasco, Dread, and Spirit of the Century. These systems allow me to have fun, play games with peeps who would totally shy away from Pathfinder/D&D (either cause they aren't D20 types, or the rules books scare the crap out of them.) and I still get my fix. When I come back to playing/running PFS/Pathfinder I have a renewed of love for the game all over again.

Is there stuff to get excited about? Well for me, I am excited to see what Season 5 and 6 have in store. I mean, double specials? Come on. Tell me that is not an awesome thing.

Books wise, it has been interesting watching the lore of Golarion evolve. From Mythic, to Numeria to Inner Sea Gods, there is just so much more lore now. More than there was 2 1/2 years ago when I got into Pathfinder. And of course, being a lore specialist, the more I can read and share with my fellow players to get them excited in the game, the better.

3/5

I don't have time in my life for a real campaign so I only get to play PFS for the most part.

Therefore I am going to stick with it even after D&D Next comes out because it's organized play is unlikely to be nearly as well run as PFS is with a leadership which listens to players and fixes recurring problems. Also I support the direction they are taking PFS in, so I will stick with it.


Certinly not philosophically opposed to DnD Next, but I am not expecting much, I played 4th edition for about sixth months and did not enjoy it, but I loved 3.5. Not much I hsve heard makes me excited about DnD next and a great deal makes me wary, but I'll listen to reviews and perhaps try it - I doubt that will cut into my PFS play.

Sovereign Court

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Paizo understands organized play. WotC does not.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

roysier wrote:

It seems that there is a very real threat starting in August that players might start jumping ship to D&D Next.

So is there anything happening with PFS that is worth getting excited about?

There seems to only be downers:

A whole season based on a sci/fantasy hybrid seems to be a downer for many players, many players I talk to have no interest in this.

It looks like support for 12+ characters is getting pulled, so this puts a damper for experienced players who have high level characters they love to play.

Modules are not being sanctioned at this time, will they ever be sanctioned or is PFS pulling the plug on these too? This severely limits playing options for players who have played most of the sanctioned stuff already out there.

So with all this bad news is anything good happening? Even theories on anything good? Anything to get excited about?

Unfortunately, for your first point, that will happen, although a lot of PFS players came over from LFR, and were not happy with WotC/Hasbro OP...

John's blog came out after your post, and covers some of the questions/ideas in here.

As in any season, it is pretty much a given that not all the scenarios will cover or even touch the year's theme. And even those that do may only touch them peripherally.

They may be pulling back, but John's blog mentioned that the chronicles for Wardens is in the pipeline. And Biutter End is now available, along with the first few chronicles for the new AP.

And, as ever, there will probably be plenty of Paizo stuff happening at PaizoCon and GenCon, so stay tuned...

Liberty's Edge 4/5 Venture-Captain, Indiana—Northern

I suppose I should ask the OP what Paizo could do that would make him excited about PFS going forward? The OP mentioned things that were "downers", so I would presume if those things got addressed that there would be something to look forward to.

However, I think it may be more productive for him to tell us what would make him excited about PFS going forward, and we work from there.

Just a thought.

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