Even if I stopped playing Pathfinder tomorrow I wouldnt play D&D Next.
For the first time since I started with Basic I wont be buying or supporting an edition of D&D.
I'll be sticking with Pathfinder at least until I finish running Curse of the Crimson Throne.
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It looks like they just posted covers and release dates for a bunch of 5e stuff on the WotC site.
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I want to give DDN a try, but my group will likely stick with Pathfinder. They only made the whole shift from 3.5 to PF a year or two ago, and won't likely want to change up again so soon. Me? I'm ready to move on.
If it were solely my call, I'd dump Pathfinder for DDN with no regrets. I've gotten to the point with PF that i can play "normally," but at this point, I'm sick to death of updating countless rules changes, I'm ready to start fresh. 3.5 was amazing, but it's been ran through the number cruncher a few too many times.
Originally I would not have seriously considered playing D&D5e since I disliked 4e. However, I'm starting to be bothered enough by the game balance in Pathfinder that I might be willing to at least give 5e a shot.
It looks like they just posted covers and release dates for a bunch of 5e stuff on the WotC site.
Thanks for the heads up.
More or less dumped Pathfinder. I will play it but not DM it. More likely to stick with OSR games like Castles and Crusades and I found a 1st ed game starting tomorrow night. Probably buy D&DN core books just because but unless it is mind blowingly good probably not going to buy a vast amount.
Is that 1st Edition game a face-to-face group, PbP or VTT? I stopped gaming (on a regular basis) back in 1988 and was still playing 1st Edition. Trying to find people still interested in playing 1st Edition in this day is pretty hard; I've looked but most (almost all) of it takes place in PbP which I am not a big fan of participating in.
I can't see changing the RPG, but to tell the truth it really depends more on the group I play with and their choice of RPG more than mine.
We participated in the Next playtest and overall enjoyed it. Playing PF now (Reign of Winter). I'm certainly going to buy Next and I think most of the other guys I game with will too. I don't see us necessarily dumping PF entirely. If using pre-made PF adventures we'll probably still use PF rules but we're sure to run some 5E homebrew games, or perhaps 5E adventures if the support material is good.
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It looks like they have two big adventure modules listed to come out around the same time the core books are released. Both are tied together and seem to revolve around the Red Wizards and Cult of the Dragon working together to free Tiamat from imprisonment in the nine hells. I have no idea if they will be any good or not. I'm personally not eager to start up another big save the world campaign since I'm currently running Age of Worms and Rise of the Runelords, but I'll definitely keep an eye on what sort of reviews they get.
There is no question that our Pathfinder campaign will continue when D&D Next comes out -- it contains many character types that I am fairly sure D&D Next will not support anytime soon, for one thing.
The open question is what will happen with out D&D 4E campaign. I have already decided that it will stop if and when Wizards drops support for its Character Builder. At that point, the choices for switching are 13th Age and D&D Next. So far I am leaning towards 13th Age while at least one player prefers D&D Next. If we go with D&D Next, somebody else will have to run it as DM since it seems to lack the elegance of D&D 4E and 13th Age from a DM's perspective. Actually having to buy the D&D Next book would be a worthwhile price to pay to get a break from DMing.
Well its possible my group will want to play something else once this campaign comes to a close, which won't be for a while.
My current plan for the campaign I run after I finish this one (years from - as I need to finish the current campaign and then I'll want a long break from DMing)is to use Herolab for the Character Builder and add a slew of updates to the handful of problem powers (especially focused on the slew of +2 for my buddies until end of next turn type powers) as well as more extensive updates to stuff like consumables. Maybe most importantly for me I want to add Gods, Themes, Paragon Paths and Epic Destinies that actually focus on my campaign world.
Hence pretty much 4E but customized to suite the tastes of myself and my group. I personally like the idea of simply taking a system we really like and then honing it to perfection (well perfection in terms of my groups personal tastes).
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It looks like they have two big adventure modules listed to come out around the same time the core books are released. Both are tied together and seem to revolve around the Red Wizards and Cult of the Dragon working together to free Tiamat from imprisonment in the nine hells. I have no idea if they will be any good or not. I'm personally not eager to start up another big save the world campaign since I'm currently running Age of Worms and Rise of the Runelords, but I'll definitely keep an eye on what sort of reviews they get.
I miss the old days (i.e. 1st Edition) where a module just consisted of going to a dungeon, beating the crap out of a few monsters, taking their stuff and then heading back to town to blow all that loot without feeling like I was being swept up in some epic, world altering storyline. I enjoy reading stories that chronicle such epic adventures (e.g. Dragonlance or Lord of the Rings) but not playing in them. I guess that makes me in the minority these days as so many adventures seem to be along those earth-shaking story lines.
I'll be sticking with Pathfinder as it is currently (meaning if it changes to a different version in the future, they'll be leaving me behind). I never picked up on 4th edition, as I was disgruntled over the edition change, and I've no interest in DnD Next behind mild curiosity. I've slowly been separating myself from DnD: Getting rid of older gaming books and adventures, keeping key items for nostalgia purposes. Its surprisingly difficult to find interested parties to take/buy things, and I can't bring myself to throw them out though. Like I said, "Slowly..."
My group will be giving DDN a try. We hope to pick up the books at Gen Con this year. However, I don't know that we'd move away from Golarion. The big selling point for me in PF has been the fact that the backdrop material is...well...lovingly written, as opposed to the world setting material WotC put out for 4E, which felt too generic and dispassionate.
I'll buy core books probably, but for now I'm far more interested in Pathfinder, 13th Age, Dragon Age, Dungeon World, Star Wars, FATE, etc.
With the Iron Gods AP coming up, I'm probably sticking with pathfinder. That doesn't mean I won't try to squeeze in some D&D Next games on the side as well! I've found myself really enjoying the new rules. But, as it is, I have tons of other non-D&D games that deserve my attention as well.
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I suppose for me "it depends".
If the system is mutable and I can get the play experience I want by easily adding or subtracting subsystems then yes, I will switch. PF just requires too much work to take the good parts and make it run like an older edition.
But it also "depends" on their business model - I'm not a fan of the AP format that Paizo is using to drive their business, but I don't want the subscription/online format that they pushed with 4e.
I wasn't too happy with some of the things in the DNDnext playtest, but it did look like most of it could be chucked, changed or mutated considerably easier than PF - which is hard-coded for high fantasy (as was 3rd ed in general).
If Paizo put out some mutable rule/game play toolkits they would have my support, that of course is never ever going to happen unless their market share really tanks. They are married to an up powered 3.5 system and that works for them and their fan base - not for me though.
As of now if I run PF it's a heavily modified format and not using any of their creative campaign content. Unlike many here who love Paizo's campaign world, Golarion was an incredible letdown for me an possibly the worst campaign setting I have read. Having to run game modifications for years - all the houserules and changes - it's just worn me down and made gaming unfun. If a game can be run easier and the company actually supports the DM they have my business.
Been burned too many times by Wotc and Paizo so seeing a future with either company at this point is kind of tough - hell, maybe I'll just switch to a modified version of Swords and Wizardry or just dump fantasy gaming altogether.
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I suppose for me "it depends".
If the system is mutable and I can get the play experience I want by easily adding or subtracting subsystems then yes, I will switch. PF just requires too much work to take the good parts and make it run like an older edition.
Sounds like we are in about the same spot. It does take a lot of work to run the style of game I like (and my players) with 3.x. Still there are things about 3.x I really like. If DDN has that and is, overall, simpler I could see myself switching.
But it also "depends" on their business model - I'm not a fan of the AP format that Paizo is using to drive their business, but I don't want the subscription/online format that they pushed with 4e.
I don't buy APs. I have my own sandbox and do my own adventures set within it. The online aspect of 4E was not a winner with me either (and the system was not to my taste). I think WotC might realize that for every player who loves the online subscription there is another who doesn't. They just have to figure out how to handle both. With a simpler, more old school, system I think the online system will be more optional than necessary, but they could prove me wrong.
I wasn't too happy with some of the things in the DNDnext playtest, but it did look like most of it could be chucked, changed or mutated considerably easier than PF - which is hard-coded for high fantasy (as was 3rd ed in general).
Pretty much what I thought. Modding a simpler system is going to be easier than what I'm doing now. The question for me is the relative ease or difficulty of converting a lot of material to the new system. Of course, there are areas in my setting that I haven't converted from 1E yet...
If Paizo put out some mutable rule/game play toolkits they would have my support, that of course is never ever going to happen unless their market share really tanks. They are married to an up powered 3.5 system and that works for them and their fan base - not for me though.As of now if I run PF it's a heavily modified format and not using any of their creative campaign content. Unlike many here who love Paizo's campaign world, Golarion was an incredible letdown for me an possibly the worst campaign setting I have read. Having to run game modifications for years - all the houserules and changes - it's just worn me down and made gaming unfun. If a game can be run easier and the company actually supports the DM they have my business.
I see PF as pretty much on the same path. And I'm hip deep in the house rules and changes. Not burned out on it yet, though. One of the things WotC has emphasized is that DDN should be easier to run than 3.x or, I believe, 4E. We'll see on that.
Been burned too many times by Wotc and Paizo so seeing a future with either company at this point is kind of tough - hell, maybe I'll just switch to a modified version of Swords and Wizardry or just dump fantasy gaming altogether.
Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater! Go OSR, or DDN or back to a previous edition. Find what's fun. My brother runs a 1E game when he finds the time. It's basically a dungeon, overland and city romp and still as fun as can be. I just need to find more time to work on the game and play. I teach, so I have plans for the summer :)
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Wizards of the Coast will never get another dollar from me.
Even though the personnel at WotC change occasionally and the design teams change completely from edition to edition? How "noble" of you...
I just don't have enough money to start over from scratch. Each of the rulebooks is $50. Considering I've reserved only $10 per month on gaming stuff, I might be able to afford them sometime in late 2015.
No thanks. I'll stick with my Pathfinder PDFs.
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- Very sad to see Forgotten Boredoms as the flagship campaign setting/adventure locale/plotplace for the latest edition.. While I can see the "dispassionate" adjective levels at the fairly generic campaign setting, I quite liked the oldskool feel of it. I never liked Forgotten Realms, even when it was just musings from Elminster in Dragon magazines.*
* There is one adventure I liked from a Dragon Magazine. The *only* participle of FR I could stand. Can't remember it's name off the top of my head, which is illuminating in itself.
- I don't like the covers. Or the spines. I'm a shallow aesthete.
- According to Mike Merals, the final game isn't significantly different from the final play test packet. As I said, I loathed the advantage/disadvantage mechanic during play testing.. So that is sad. Hoepfully I can play it and have a different/better experience.
- Happy to see a warlock made it back in to the first books.
- I'll probably pick up the starter set, tool around with it and then decide.
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Pathfinder is not my main game, so it will probably not be a question of switching. More likely I will get the next D&D after it has started to see Eberron support and continue to play 3.5 and even some 4e.
If however, WotC can put together an organised play campaign that is as good as PFS and ideally doesn't rely on Forgotten Realms as the setting (I am not a big Golarion fan, but at least that doesn't have the history and baggage that FR does) then I could see myself dumping PF entirely as I only play it for PFS at conventions (which means I only tend to play maybe half a dozen sessions a year).
Good point DM - my interest in the new edition would be increased with Dark Sun, Eberron and Birthright support.
Been burned too many times by Wotc and Paizo so seeing a future with either company at this point is kind of tough - hell, maybe I'll just switch to a modified version of Swords and Wizardry or just dump fantasy gaming altogether.
Sorry to hear that. May I suggest 13th Age, or possibly Castles and Crusades as alternatives?
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Not going with any organised play. I feel it just kills the game for me..........magic shops. Yuck
Switching to 5th edition. Once the Numeria AP is done, I will stop buying Pathfinder for the near future.
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Pathfinder here. It suits my group just fine. Though I will watch 5e with great interest.
I can't see changing the RPG, but to tell the truth it really depends more on the group I play with and their choice of RPG more than mine.
Face to face group. It was a PF group trying out 1st ed for a change.
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I started playing D&D just months before the switch to 3.0 and loved it. Loved it even more in 3.5. Then thanks to 4e I fell in love with the Pathfinder beta. When we buried our D&D books in rubermaid containers in the basement our group swore off switching systems. That said we appreciate the way Paizo runs their company, and the game system they provide us with. Having spent so much money on D&D books I like the slower release schedule and lack of expensive hardbacks. I do miss Eberron and Sharn though. That was the best campaign setting ever, period.
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And that's how I saw it. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but that's my perogative as a consumer. I saw it as an underhanded attempt by WotC to trick people into spending money on something completely useless. And that isn't a business model I care to support.
This whole thing seems predicated on the idea that the books in question are "completely useless." Which is only true if the only thing you care about is mechanics. If you're interested in background on setting changes, behind-the-scenes discussion of design, pretty art, etc., the books were not "completely useless". They also were not marketed as containing rules material, and there is nothing to indicate that they were sold for any other reason than to provide fans with some tasty information to tide them over between the last 3.5 products and the first 4e products.
Here's the product blurb for Races & Classes, by the way:
"This lavishly illustrated book gives roleplaying game fans a unique, behind-the-curtain glimpse into the making of the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game. The book contains essays and asides from the game's premier designers, developers, and editors. Through words and illustrations, it explores some of the D&D game's most iconic races and classes, sharing insights never before revealed in any previous game product."
This makes it abundantly clear that the book is intended for fans looking for behind-the-scenes tidbits, with absolutely no mention of being used as a game supplement.
Are you sure this isn't a case of gamer overreaction? I mean, come on, you're talking about a boycott going on five years now. Does that strike you as sensible?
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Are you sure this isn't a case of gamer overreaction? I mean, come on, you're talking about a boycott going on five years now. Does that strike you as sensible?
Scott:
The Internet? You can't solve it. The guy has made up his mind.
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I won't be switching. But if I like 5e enough, I'll add it to my repertoire and it will get some play. Hopefully, enough to justify the expense.
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Not sure about DDN, because I just don't have the time to play a lot of game systems anymore (nor money for the switch). I made a significant investment with 3.5, and the change to 4E with its emphasis on MMORPG "game balance" really turned me off - despite my love of Eberron. So I will stick with Pathfinder, as I sell the last of my 1E nostalgia (mostly Dungeon mags). I bought the Pathfinder Beginner Box for my son, even though he won't be playing for at least another 5 years. If Pathfinder continues to innovate without completely out-dating everything they've done in the past, I will continue to be a loyal customer.
In short, I will keep on eye on DDN, but plan on sticking with Pathfinder.
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Pathfinder. I'm quite happy with the materials and the way things are going here.
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"Staying with" implies that I actually bought anything of Paizo's to begin with, so then I guess not? I'll continue to support Dungeons and Dragons as I have for the past 14 years. Pathfinder is nice and all, but its basically a 3.5 homebrew with good production quality. Thanks to the PFSRD I can continue to play Pathfinder for free with no problems AND play a new version of D&D. Its why there was no question when I decided to "stay" with 4e, when the other is practically free to begin with it makes room to pay for the stuff that isn't. Sort of like the best of both worlds.
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Is that 1st Edition game a face-to-face group, PbP or VTT? I stopped gaming (on a regular basis) back in 1988 and was still playing 1st Edition. Trying to find people still interested in playing 1st Edition in this day is pretty hard; I've looked but most (almost all) of it takes place in PbP which I am not a big fan of participating in.
There are quite a few 1E players in the Fantasy Grounds VTT community - they mostly seem to play Castles & Crusades these days. You could have a look there and see if you can find a game that suits you...
Also, if you recruit your own players and GM, getting a 1e group is actually really easy.
Pathfinder will continue to be my game of choice. I'll buy some 5E stuff, but I won't be spending money on every single D&D-themed item that comes along (like I have in the past).
I would like to participate in D&D's new OP campaign, but by tying it so tightly with Encounters, they have really killed my enthusiasm.
I have to say...the price of the 3 core books seems a bit steep. I mean $150 just for the 3 core books...
I play the game...but I think I am going to pass on buying any of the books.
Sticking with 3.5. Don't need another system when the one I have works perfectly for my group and I; and I have neither the time nor inclination to learn a new rule set.