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I liked the newest trailer better honestly.


I liked the newest trailer better honestly.


GreenDragon1133 wrote:

There were two Arrows. With Captain Cold and a Hawk mask in between them. The second (just before Barry) was the Justin Hartley, Smallville version.

Huntress was next to Firestorm. Guardian's helmet not Fate, it was only a half helm.

Fate does sometimes sport a half helm, but I now think we're both wrong. This guy says it's The Ray's helmet, and that does look right. He also speculates about two of the bodies being the Earth-90 Obsidian and Jessie Quick.


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SUPERGIRL: Breaking Down The Identities Of The Dead Heroes In Last Night's ELSEWORLDS Teaser

The next body after the one identified as Jessie appears to have a detachable head. Red Tornado would be my guess.

And that link misses the Green(?) Arrow visible in the same shot as Snart.

I'll check out the youtube video shortly.


Damon,

I freely admit, it could be Earth-90's The Ray. But I couldn't see it clearly. Also historically, (especially in some DC presentation) the Helmet of Nabu covers the entire face., not going half helm.

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Really liked last night's 100th episode tour of Flash's past. It was actually a great use of time travel, both in terms of the reasons why (however contrived that they needed their scavenger hunt of items from all of those events), and in the care taken to not mess with the timeline.

Spoiler:
I'm hoping/expecting that by the end of the season, they'll have a full resurrection of Reverse Flash, through some ingenious plan he put in motion before ceasing to exist in the first place. It certainly can't be more crazy than some of the ways the Master has come back to life in Doctor Who.

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I just keep getting amazed at Tom Cavanagh's range.


Yeah, he really is one of the best bits about the show.


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Thing about Reverse Flash is......HE hasn't meet Flash for the First time yet. There is still a whole story there about what set him off against the Flash in the first place.


So yeah, 100th episode had a lot riding on it, and it mostly succeeded. I still wonder about Hunter's fate because of the Time Wraith. But otherwise everything was great and Cavanagh is proving he's got great range.

Mostly it proves how...durable? The Reverse Flash is.


I gotta hand it to Nora's actor. You could really fee the fear when she found herself looking at the Reverse Flash.

but there is one moment there that really worries me. It's when Thawn called her Dawn, followed by that moment of confusion when she called herself Nora. Confusion followed by....joy.

that moment gave me chills


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I gotta hand it to Nora's actor. You could really fee the fear when she found herself looking at the Reverse Flash.

but there is one moment there that really worries me. It's when Thawn called her Dawn, followed by that moment of confusion when she called herself Nora. Confusion followed by....joy.

that moment gave me chills

For me it was when he said "Well it looks like you still have one..." or something like that. So in Thawne's original timeline Dawn and Don the tornado twins were still a thing, Now... just Nora.

I think that's all about Thawne killing Barry's mother. If his mother hadn't died a horrible death... he probably wouldn't have named his daughter after her. Just a shout out that Barry isn't the ONLY speedster that's screwed with the timeline :D I think maybe that Joy was knowing that his screwing with Barry cost him a son....


phantom,

Maybe but again it could just be that Thawne, having sort of been erased and brought back, MIGHT have seen a future where Barry had the Tornado Twins, but due to interference (whomever it might be, Barry, Thawne, Savitar), we get Nora.


I missed Dawn, I did hear him mention Danica. As in Flash Beyond, member of the Justice League Unlimited fifty years in the future (Earth-12/DCAU).


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I'm assuming the Dr. Wheels/Thawne in 2049 is a Time Remnant taken from season 1 before Eddie killed himself. That vest thing is to anchor him and hide him from the Black Racer. And Nora is forcing him to help bring Barry back after his disappearance in the Crisis.


Green,

Well I think it's a sign that the Arrowverse tends to encompass a broad range of ideas from not just the comics, but comics people might not know about, IE Batman Beyond Comics.

As for Thawne's appearance, I'm sure once Elseworlds


I love Tyler as Clark, and Bitsie Tulloch is a great Lois - glad she landed a new gig after Grimm (even if it isn't a regular one).

GA should not be clean shaven, and the Flash should not have a five o'clock shadow.

I was wondering when I saw the name Ivo if they were going to acknowledge the Arrow season two flashbacks.

Two Gotham questions:
That building Batwoman is standing on, was that the Oracle symbol?
And did I hear correctly in the previews, did they just claim that Batman-1 exists?

Oh, and while we didn't see them, the Bilson/Dimeo Writers' Bible tells us that there were some other familiar faces lost on Earth-90, one looked a lot like the former queen of Daxam, and her husband looked like Jeremiah Danvers.


Can the Flash grow a beard really quick if he wants? shouldn't he have to shave constantly?


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That was amazoing. I especially liked the Smallville callback.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Can the Flash grow a beard really quick if he wants? shouldn't he have to shave constantly?

He's supposed to have a super-fast metabolism, which will get mentioned whenever he heals something (like getting shot by two arrows in the shoulder blades) really fast, but that's terribly been portrayed inconsistently. In theory, yeah, he'd be growing hair, beard, fingernails, etc. *visibly* fast, and leaving a trail of white 'snow' behind him from all the shed dead skin flaking off of him, but that's creepy. :)

Eh. Same sort of 'fast metabolism' where he burns off 10,000,000 calories running around the city at Mach 4 multiple times looking for bombs and then says, 'That took a lot out of me!' and eats a Big Belly burger. What are those burgers made out of? [Ingredients - a blue whale, a herd of bison, dark matter, red dye 45 (for color)]


OMMMMMM

therearenoplotholestherearnoplotholestherearenoplotholes

Ommmmmmm!

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Really liked the episode. I was left wondering about the Barry/Oliver discussion of their emotional states and how it relates to them tapping into their super hero personas. Is this going to lead to a lasting change in Oliver to more embrace the fun and enjoyment of being a bad ass superhero, instead of being grim and serious all the time, and therefore result in making his current re-invention of Green Arrow to be a bit more lighthearted and fun?


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We can hope. Especially now that they have a Dark Brooding Gotham Bat in the Arrowverse.


Promising start. They still look seriously wrong in eachother's costumes.


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They might LOOK wrong, but it's such a minor issue to me compared to having call backs to Smallville, the best casting of Lois since Smallville, and honestly just having the four of them fight Amazo was probably the best team team up since...ever!

So while it might have a little bitty plot holes, I'm 10,000,000% behind this and wishing WB would pay attention to CW stuff more.

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Imagine if they could have gotten Tom Welling.

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I have that darn Remy Zero song stuck in my head now, from the years and years worth of hearing it at the beginning of every episode of Smallville.

I'm not sure if I've grown to like the song, or it's Stockholm syndrome...


Set,

It might be both.

Hama,

I keep thinking he might have been on Earth-90. Besides Tyler is honestly better in terms of the fact I feel he's the best hybrid actor for Superman and Clark.


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Bilson & DiMeo, Writers of the John Wesley Shipp Flash series, said it took place in the same universe as Lois and Clark. So Superman-90 looks like Jeremiah Danvers, and his wife like the ex-queen of Daxam.


Ummmm… anyone else a bit disappointed with the JWS Flash part? I really wanted to see more of him... or SOMETHING...

I only hope he comes back for next years... I'm not sure this cameo was worth the trouble of recreating the suit for... :(


Yeah. That was underwhelming.

Worse, it paints the Monitor as so powerful that the heroes could never possibly, under any circumstances, have a chance against him. And what is coming (The Anti-Monitor)is more powerful than him.

So, the heroes lose, and the Arrowverse is completely destroyed. There, I saved everyone a lot of time and effort. Story done.

Yes, the Monitor is godlike. But if Barry-90, the fastest man alive, could have laid a glove on him before he could react, it would create the possibility that he could be defeated. Which in turn means Anti-Monitor can be defeated.

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Although I've been enjoying Chris Klein's turn as a villain, I think the Cicada story line has already been stretched pretty thin. Looking forward to this season being over and done.

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A show of hands for people who absolutely detest this season's Flash suit?


I think it's OK. better than 1st season.


I've seen worse. Also I'm with Aber on this one, Cicada's story has pretty much worn too thin for me to take much more seriously.

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I'm thinking that Cicada will get wrapped up soon, and just afterwards future Thawne will escape and be the 2nd half of the of the season's main bad guy. It seems like lots of the arrowverse shows are setting up half-season arcs with different big bad guys and plots, similar to how Agent's of Shield evolved into 2-3 arcs per season.


I just wish we had more scenes like the one with Barry going all out on cicada. That slow motion Oh you thought you could hit me? HA!


Right now I'm not even sure we'll GET to the end of Cicada. In fact Grace might be joining up with her uncle to turn everyone against the Flash and Metas. Just because.

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Agree. While the meta-tech subplot is somewhat interesting, the Cicada story itself hasn't been that compelling.

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Cicada was always a 4th rate villain (at best), barely worth mentioning. This is one of those instances where I wish the writers hadn't delved too deeply into the Wally West era for story ideas.

I'm guessing by the end of the season, and after agonizingly drawing things out some more, original flavor Cicada will be defeated. Little Grace will also be awakened, but will retain her deep-seated hatred of metas so that she can assume the mantel of Cicada in some future.

And Nora will learn a valuable lesson in not trusting Thawne when it's revealed his helping her "catch" Cicada was really all about manipulating the timeline in order to free himself from his current(in the future) predicament.

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Not enough Gorilla Grodd in last night's episode. Although it was nice to see Joe back, they could have done without the crap between he and Iris, and given us more of everyone's favorite telepathic psycho simian.

The brawl between King Shark and Grodd, there at the end, almost made up for it.

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I also liked them setting up Grodd's next appearance with more powerful psychic powers.


So what is the point of a serum to stop Cicada that can only be used if Cicada gives affirmative consent first?

Flash: Cicada, we can cure y-
Cicada: *steals Flashes power, then kills him*
Flash: ukk--

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I got bored with this show :( And that makes me incredibly sad.


With everything going on with the king shark vs grodd episode I still feel the weirdest part is the marine biologist who is more attracted to the shark in mutant form.

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Well, that was weird and slightly predictable.

Spoiler:
When they originally revealed coma-Grace as Cicada's motive, I figured she would become future Cicada. I didn't think they'd do it this quickly.

So, is this future Grace/Cicada come back in time just like XS did? Or did the dark-matter metal in her head suddenly age her rapidly (and give her mad fighting skills) to go with her even more powerfulness.

Either way, this continues the overall weakness of this season.

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I was caught off guard.

Spoiler:
I fully expected Grace to develop into another meta villain, but thought it would be present day kid-Grace with a different power set (looks like she has essentially the same powers as her uncle, but with a few slight changes). I thought fighting a kid meta would be an interesting challenge, with discussions around how you can just speed punch a little kid, etc.

I'm very suspicious of the adult version of her being in the current time, and still think it's part of Reverse Flash's master plan. I'm very curious if current day kid-grace is still in the hospital.


One of many things that will not happen as a result of the latest twist, because they'd be too easy:

Spoiler:
Cicada sees Cicadette in action, realizes this is not a future he wants for his little angel, and tells Barry to give kid-Grace the cure. Poof! Cicadette vanishes as if she never existed. Because she didn't.

Or will not have. As usual, time travel tenses can be complicated; I've never had any idea how to express "will not have after <trigger>, in a way that retroactively removes all traces of her from the preceding timeline but leaves the memory of her intact within the minds of those initiating <the trigger>" as a conjugation of the verb "to be"...or to differentiate that from "will not have after <trigger>, in a way that retroactively removes all traces of her from the preceding timeline including the memories of those initiating <the trigger>."

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Well, this is becoming disappointing....

Spoiler:
Based on Thawne's surprise at the appearance of Cicadette, it's looking more like he won't end up being the primary threat of this season.

Although it does seem that was his plan.

Cicadette killing her uncle - WHOA! WHAT A SUPRISE!

Ralph's Spiderman references were awesome.

I'm glad Joe's back.

Damn! Barry hates Thawne so much he just threw his daughter into a cell without a second thought. Didn't even ask for an explanation, which I'm guessing we'll get next episode.

Overall, I'd say the showrunners efforts to move away from non-speedster Big Bad's has been hit and miss. Thinker was a big hit (in my opinion), the kind of villain where it makes sense his meticulous and complex plan takes so long to bear fruit.

Cicada - not so much. Hell, they had to rely on another (better) villain manipulating things behind the scenes just to make this season work well.

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Oddly enough, however, with reports of some key actors possibly not returning next year, I'm filled with a bit more hope for the future of the show.

Maybe they can cut back on the whole Team Flash nonsense.

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