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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
So why couldn't it be Thawne-X?

Short/bad answer: There was no sign of a Flash-X, without whom you dont' get Thawne-X. Remember his origin is tightly linked to Barry.

Yeah, they should have used/invented a speedster native to Earth-X, even if it was Jay Garrick or someone entirely unexpected, like Julian Albert or Ronnie Raymond. After all, they brought Tommy in.


Can we get some spoiler tags in here, folks? There are people involved in the thread who haven't seen the episode(s) in question. Thanks.

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Did I miss an episode? Because the beginning of flash in no way corresponds to the end of Supergirl?

Sovereign Court

Yep I missed Arrow


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We all missed Arrow. Also I think Thawne joining up mostly because it gave him a rush to be an annoying dick.

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The absolute dickiest of dicks


So the real reason is budget. In universe, why weren't Jay, Jessie, and Gypsy at the wedding?

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Overall, I thought the crossover was pretty lame. Nazis...YAWN. They'd have been better off with the Crime Syndicate. And maybe a few more super powered bad guys.

Then there was the plot - We're invading to conquer this earth. No, wait! We're invading this earth to harvest an organ from the Supergirl of this other earth. And we're going to do it with two metahumans, a broody archer, and a bunch of Nazis with guns.

Harrison Wells - "Earth X is just like this earth, except the Nazis won." And.....except the X universe also has Supergirl, Arrow, and whoever else as part of the same universe....unlike what we normally see.

I'm guessing there were reasons why Supergirl couldn't rope in more help.....Maybe her own cousin and Martian Manhunter? I'm sure they were off planet doing something else, with no way for anyone to get in touch with them.

And where the hell was Ralph? And why did it take so damned long for them to call in the other Time Travellers? You'd think some of them would have been invited to the wedding as well.

All in all, piss poor.


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Not sure I'd say PISS Poor. Just a little uneven in places. Also I think the fact they made Earth-X into a 53rd Earth is kind of lame.

As for the invasion, eh some times you need grunts to do the heavy lifting more than the tanks.

Mark,

He is that. I mean he killed Barry's mom in the comics for kicks. Arrowverse Thawne is almost like that.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
We all missed Arrow.

Not all of us, thankyouverymuch.


Oddly Wells did say that there are 53 Supergirls, implying that there is a Supergirl native to the Arrowverse.

Plus Thawn commented on fighting her cousin

Could be that Arrowverse Superman is just running a little late to the party....

Come to think of it, back in Season 1 of Flash, Thawn as Wells did say he started Barry early because he was in a rush to get home.

Plus Ollie has Kryptonite. He certainly doesn't have multidimensional travel so that means it's Arrowverse Kryptonite

I bet ya, Somewhere out there Arrowverse Superman is wandering around as one of the people doing the hero thing in secret with Arrowverse Kara still in transit


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Greylurker wrote:

Oddly Wells did say that there are 53 Supergirls, implying that there is a Supergirl native to the Arrowverse.

Plus Thawn commented on fighting her cousin

Could be that Arrowverse Superman is just running a little late to the party....

Come to think of it, back in Season 1 of Flash, Thawn as Wells did say he started Barry early because he was in a rush to get home.

Plus Ollie has Kryptonite. He certainly doesn't have multidimensional travel so that means it's Arrowverse Kryptonite

I bet ya, Somewhere out there Arrowverse Superman is wandering around as one of the people doing the hero thing in secret with Arrowverse Kara still in transit

I think if we get Earth-1 Kara it will be Karen Starr aka Power Girl. Already living on Earth in Secret and coming into the spotlight after a kryptonian villian shows up or something like that.


Lowfyr,

You mean like another Metallo or even Brainiac?

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Greylurker wrote:
Oddly Wells did say that there are 53 Supergirls, implying that there is a Supergirl native to the Arrowverse.

I'd chalk that up to the writers not thinking things through.

Although it would be neat to find out that one some Earth, perhaps Earth-Arrow, Krypton didn't blow up, and Kara, Kal, etc. all live normally there (sans super-powers, or any idea that there's a place called Earth).

(Of course that wouldn't explain Ollie having Kryptonite, so never mind...)

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Come to think of it, back in Season 1 of Flash, Thawn as Wells did say he started Barry early because he was in a rush to get home.

Ooh, good catch!


Set,

Maybe Ollie had someone else go find it for him. I mean it's possible...


You know what....I'm enjoying CW Ralph. Sure he's like 90% jerk but what I love is, every so often, Good Ralph pokes his head through the snark as if to say "don't worry folks, I'm in here somewhere."

It's kind of fun


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Lowfyr,

You mean like another Metallo or even Brainiac?

Perhaps. It is not like the CW shows do not like to use a idea again^^


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Did anyone not know what the single knife - of the type always used in TV murders - that Barry touches was going to be used for?

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So....for the most part, I've been enjoying this season. Last night was no exception.

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Katee Sackoff as Amunet was something I wasn't particularly fond of at first. That was mostly because I'm not a big fan of the comic character. Sackoff has done a great job with it, though. I'm enjoying her scene chewing.

Thinker's plot has been pretty intricate, but it seems we now know why he engineered the creatiob of the bus metas - so he could get a new body for himself. Most of the new metas have been fairly young people, so there was the reasonable chance of a new body with good health. And he could calculate there was some percentage that one of the new metas would have the mental abilities which would make the mind tranfer possible.

Now we just have to wonder (a) was that the extent of his plan for the new metas, and (b) will he have access to his new body's telepathic abilities. I've got to admit, though, I liked the old him. Something about the older professor type just really fit. It was probably the actor himself.

I do question why he chose to frame Barry for murder. Might be that he still fears Barry could screw up whatever his next scheme is ("The Enlightenment" I think he called it), and this is a way to keep him out of the picture. Plus, it makes good use of his old body.

Speaking of Barry, however - way to go Flash! It was nice, for a change of pace, to see you get yourself out of a jam without anyone else. I'd like to see some more of that.

Something tells me Mrs. Thinker isn't long for this world. That would be a good reason for Devoe to become a more determined enemy.

Not a fan of Iris as "team leader". I'd much prefer her being a reporter, like in the comics. I understand why they do it, however. This way they don't have to strain to hard to write her into stories.

All in all, I hope they keep up the good work. And who knows? If this goes well enough, we could have....gasp.....TWO SEASONS IN A ROW where the main villain isn't a speedster.


I still think while DeVoe is a good Flash villain, he's not the BEST Flash villain. Mostly because I keep thinking "I'd like to see him solve the Anti-Life Equation like Lex did..." or "Grodd is better because he's not just an ape but a telepathic AND hyper intelligent ape. And he ran his own Injustice League."


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So I want to believe Barry could of still got rid of the body bleached the crime scene and got in his pj's watching some tube before that door opened but he was just way to exasperated.


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No need. He has witnesses placing him at the West household. They saw him get an alert from the alarm, and he took off. He did apparently make good time though, since he came in the building almost simultaneously to the police.

Which also speaks to the incompetence of the CCPD. They arrived, presumably had all the doors covered, and Barry got past them. But since he didn't see them that means they weren't covering all doors. They came in the front door with a SWAT team, with intent to bust down the door of a police officer, on the basis of an anonymous call, and didn't bother to cover the back, or the fire escape, or any other exit.


You know dragon I like your posts you always make me think about the details that I wouldn't normally think of.


And details the writers of most police procedurals would think of but the DCW writers don't?

Thank you, btw, Vidmaster7.

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I was very disappointed in the Trail of Barry Allen episode.

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Not only didn't they follow up on suspicious events like who called in the police when there was no trace of anyone else there, or checking if the identity of the Thinker's new body actually had a father who passed away from ALS to see if they could poke a hole in the "widow's" story, but Barry's defense plan was simply "tell them I'm a good guy and didn't do it"? I get that he didn't want to reveal he was the Flash, but this would have been a great episode to use his actual forensics skills to build a defense.

Sure, the plot dictates he loses and goes to prison, but they could have made the journey there more interesting, and then lose to some well played gotcha by DeVoe at the last minute.


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How about the roomful of witnesses that prove he was somewhere else when the apartment's alarm went off?

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GreenDragon

Spoiler:

PROSECUTOR: Yes ADT, "What time did the alarm go off?"
ADT: 7 o'clock.
PROSECUTOR: Captain Singh, at time did you and your men enter Mr Allen's apartment.
CAPTAIN SINGH: 7:02
PROSECUTOR: Mr Allen, how did you get from Detective West's house to your apartment in less than 2 minutes.
BARRY: I'm the Flash.


Marik raises a decent point but the fact remains I think this whole trial was a sham and some how DeVoe influenced them with his new found psychic powers.


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Personally I think that Ironhieghts I think is where Barry needs to be to stop Thinker. This is where DeVoe has been collecting his fresh mint Metas so far. The key is to find out why they are needed. Plus it's not like he can't just vibrate through a wall at any time to do Flash stuff.

Barry needs to start speeding up his brain and accessing the info he got in the Speed Force, it's the only way to out think, the Thinker.


I honestly think it's silly to think he'll NOT stay in Iron Heights. Barry is kind of Lawful stupid at times...


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Very true......

on the up side I'm enjoying how Ralph is developing. The speech he gave Joe was great. Little by little 'Good' Ralph is climbing his way to the surface


Thomas Seitz wrote:
I honestly think it's silly to think he'll NOT stay in Iron Heights. Barry is kind of Lawful stupid at times...

But breaking himself out on occasion when the situation really calls for The Flash (maybe leaving a speed double behind in the cell)...would make an interesting parallel to what the Rogues are doing in the comics right now.

Done more than once, it probably removes all of the audience's stress regarding having Barry locked up. Done once, it might be good.


Greylurker wrote:

Very true......

on the up side I'm enjoying how Ralph is developing. The speech he gave Joe was great. Little by little 'Good' Ralph is climbing his way to the surface

Faster than originally planned. Because his initial character was "problematic" in the light of a EP.


Alright caught the court episode >beware spoilers<

So lets talk about philosophy here people. This episode was channeling some Socrates drinking hemlock pretty hard here. So we all ofcourse know it was a frame up and particularly good frame up. I do not frankly blame any of the "npcs" for their decision. It was incredibly stacked against Barry. I would of had to doubt the sanity of the jury if they didn't find him guilty with all the evidence and not an attempt at a counter argument his only defense being hey hes a good guy. Ofcourse he couldn't say hey my friends all saw me at this party 2 minutes before police showed up without saying he is the flash would of just made them all seem like liars lieng for a friend understandable but not gonna help.

This is probably higher thought then what they want to get into for a sitcom-ish television series but...
So my position is the flash should of been morally obligated to present all evidence including that he was the flash. Every time the judicial system sentences an innocent man it degrades just a little. How are we suppose to have faith in a judicial system that would condemn a innocent man. IF they really wanted to stand up for hard justice he should of said he was the flash and if he was worried about his family at this point they can just move to another earth huge and difficult I know but is that really as important as enforcing the ideas of a fair and competent justice system?

Then their is the part of me that thinks he should of killed devoe in that little side room Which is so separate from the previous paragraph I know. You could argue that the evil he would do would far outweigh the one murder but that is to hard to predict. the other moral objection would be all the lives flash would not be able to save by being locked up in prison would greatly outweigh one life even if he had done it.

TL:DR morale philosophy 101


Technically, he could kill Devoe right now and nothing could be done about it. After all, he is already convicted of the crime.

(It just requires evidence - say from a few metahuman experts, Caitlin, her mom - that this is a meta, and that another thought pattern (Devoe's) has overwritten his own. None of that is real-world possible. But neither is mind transfer, or breaking the time barrier.)


GreenDragon1133 wrote:

Technically, he could kill Devoe right now and nothing could be done about it. After all, he is already convicted of the crime.

(It just requires evidence - say from a few metahuman experts, Caitlin, her mom - that this is a meta, and that another thought pattern (Devoe's) has overwritten his own. None of that is real-world possible. But neither is mind transfer, or breaking the time barrier.)

If such evidence becomes available, you think Barry's best use of it is to break out of Iron Heights, commit an act he's morally opposed to, and then prove he's only killed someone he's already convicted of killing, rather than to have that conviction overturned?


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What was that movie like that with Tommy lee Jones? double jeopardy?

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Damon Griffin wrote:
GreenDragon1133 wrote:

Technically, he could kill Devoe right now and nothing could be done about it. After all, he is already convicted of the crime.

(It just requires evidence - say from a few metahuman experts, Caitlin, her mom - that this is a meta, and that another thought pattern (Devoe's) has overwritten his own. None of that is real-world possible. But neither is mind transfer, or breaking the time barrier.)

If such evidence becomes available, you think Barry's best use of it is to break out of Iron Heights, commit an act he's morally opposed to, and then prove he's only killed someone he's already convicted of killing, rather than to have that conviction overturned?

We've found the villain in the group. lol


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In high school I won a debate about the death penalty. The criminal justice system makes mistakes. Burnout, especially executioners, is often from the fear that an innocent man or woman was punished.


That is a step further too. Its a tragedy to arrest an innocent man but to accidentally execute an innocent man is monstrous.


Had a realization. Barry faced Devoe in the timeline where Iris died, and it didn't seem as if he went to prison. So why did he need Barry in prison in this timeline.

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Writing in Interlac. Jenni not Dawn.

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I liked this episode. I'm glad they didn't get Barry out of jail right away as they usually do.


Hama,

Well to be fair Barry wouldn't have allowed them to get him out unless it was through due process, IE following the law. Which is kind of stupid but there you are.

Green,

You sure that what it was? As for why, maybe he needs Barry off his game in some way.


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This was a fun episode, Ralph is really comming along nicely.

and then there is mystery girl

is she writting in Barry's Speed force script or is that Interlac?
(To Google...nope not Interlac....they actually have a font set for Interlac....which I have now downloaded)

so Dawn or XS?


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Hama,

Well to be fair Barry wouldn't have allowed them to get him out unless it was through due process, IE following the law. Which is kind of stupid but there you are.

Green,

You sure that what it was? As for why, maybe he needs Barry off his game in some way.

Well, he WAS asking Joe how Cisco was doing getting control of the cameras so he could zoom in out as he wills... But yeah, for the most part he's willing to do this 'the official' way...

until of course a threat is so big they need flash regardless and Barry is accused of escaping etc. etc...

Sadly 'hero goes to jail' isn't nearly that 'original' of a plot... so I expect a lot of the old cliché's to pop up soon.

we can already check of 'stops prison riot' off the list :P


Greylurker wrote:

This was a fun episode, Ralph is really comming along nicely.

and then there is mystery girl

is she writting in Barry's Speed force script or is that Interlac?
(To Google...nope not Interlac....they actually have a font set for Interlac....which I have now downloaded)

so Dawn or XS?

Been a while since I read anything in Interlac, Mea culpa. I still like Jenni. In the comics Bart came back. In YJ, Bart came back. Why not have Jenni in the DCW?


I really want it to be Jenni.


It might be Jenni. So far I don't think it's Dawn mainly because I think that she'd still be writing in English. Maybe?

Phantom,

Well the prison riot thing getting out the way helps in the sense we don't have to worry about it being a major deal. Also having Big Sir to aid Barry works.

It's not the most original, no but it's following a classic story line. Sort of.


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Yeah at least they didn't spend much time on the prison break.

So I'm glad Goldberg Is still getting work. He seems shorter and wider then I remember. Also I feel like he should of grown a big beard for this role. I may be biased...


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I've heard Wentworth Miller will be back on Flash. Suppose Leo (and maybe Rory) will have to help Barry make a Prison Break?

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