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Is there any magical enhancement bonus that can be put on a bludgeoning weapon to improve its threat range? Slashing and piercing weapons get keen, why not something like this for bludgeoning weapons? We've been looking and cannot find anything. If there is nothing what is the rationale for penalizing those who choose this type of weapon?
Its a 'making sense' rationale more then a 'rules' rational. You cant put a keen edge on a bludgeoning weapon. Its not about penalyzing people who use bludgeoning weapons, its about what makes sense within a consistant game world.
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I remember there was something in 3.5. I don't recall the name of the weapon ability but it was exclusively for bludgeoning weapons. I don't have any problems with something like this in the game. It's magic. As it stands, you can do it mundanely by taking a feat. I don't think it would be a stretch to do it with magic.
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I remember there was something in 3.5. I don't recall the name of the weapon ability but it was exclusively for bludgeoning weapons. I don't have any problems with something like this in the game. It's magic. As it stands, you can do it mundanely by taking a feat. I don't think it would be a stretch to do it with magic.
Impact, perhaps? I also have vague recollection of there being a 3.5 weapon enhancement. Tried to google it, but couldn't find much.
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Its a 'making sense' rationale more then a 'rules' rational. You cant put a keen edge on a bludgeoning weapon. Its not about penalyzing people who use bludgeoning weapons, its about what makes sense within a consistant game world.
I get that "Keen" as such wouldn't make sense (the word), but for balance purposes why not have an ability that can affect other types of weapons besides just slashing and piercing.
I remember there was something in 3.5. I don't recall the name of the weapon ability but it was exclusively for bludgeoning weapons. I don't have any problems with something like this in the game. It's magic. As it stands, you can do it mundanely by taking a feat. I don't think it would be a stretch to do it with magic.Impact, perhaps? I also have vague recollection of there being a 3.5 weapon enhancement. Tried to google it, but couldn't find much.
Impact, from Magic of Faerun. Pretty much the same thing as keen, but for bludgeoning weapons.
If I remember right the keen restriction is a one of those arbitrary legacy things. I don't think pathfinder has something that changes that, or at least not off the top of my head.
Weapon of Impact spell
My Google-fu is currently failing to locate the Impact special quality as it's printed in actual PnP materials (it's in a Forgotten Realms book, but I don't know which one - it may be on D&D Tools, but I'm unable access it with my iPad for some reason).
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Weapon of Impact spell
My Google-fu is currently failing to locate the Impact special quality as it's printed in actual PnP materials (it's in a Forgotten Realms book, but I don't know which one - it may be on D&D Tools, but I'm unable access it with my iPad for some reason).EDIT: to fix tags
I should clarify one point. We are looking for something that is legal to use in PFS Organized Play. If this were a home game we could just make something up and call it done. :-)
We are looking for something that is legal to use in PFS Organized Play.
Ouch. Yeah, I think your only option for PFS is to use the improved critical feat.
I don't have it with me but the last book of Kingmaker has suggestions for keen on non-slashing weapons. Basically, similar effect and just call it something else. (Not PFS legal)
If it makes you feel better, disruption is bludgeoning-only.
And no one has thought of a name to replace it which doesn't sound silly nor terrible.
Crushing?
And no one has thought of a name to replace it which doesn't sound silly nor terrible.Crushing?
Threatening. Critical. Lots of nice names you can come up with, some more generic than others.
Short answer - no, there is currently no PFS-legal generic weapon enhancement that will improve the crit range of bludgeoning weapons.
No rationale is needed. The game is not designed that all choices are perfectly balanced in all ways.
-TimD
How about, instead of increasing the threat range, increase the damage multiplier for bludgeoning weapons?
For what its worth, high critical multiplier weapons have a bad habit of outright killing whatever is hit by them as is, and also already do overkill, be it player or NPC. Higher threat range is easier to deal with and actually works better for players in the long run because they can benefit from effects that happen on a critical too, and because its less likely to insta-gib the player or BBEG.
How about, instead of increasing the threat range, increase the damage multiplier for bludgeoning weapons?For what its worth, high critical multiplier weapons have a bad habit of outright killing whatever is hit by them as is, and also already do overkill, be it player or NPC. Higher threat range is easier to deal with and actually works better for players in the long run because they can benefit from effects that happen on a critical too, and because its less likely to insta-gib the player or BBEG.
Not to mention the game prizes that ability pretty highly. I only know of two ways to increase a crit multiplier, one of them is a mythic ability and the other is the fighter capstone.