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I am new to Pathfinder but my understanding is that there is a Feat where if your a follower of Iomedae you can choose Longsword as your favored weapons and gain a +2 to hit with said weapon. The downside is that you can never use any other weapon without having to atone. So for instance if you use a bow or a dagger in a fight you would lose the Favored Weapons bonus until you atoned...
...but what about Shield Bash? In all likelihood this too would count as the use of "a non-favored weapon" although I could argue it both ways.
I hope I am wrong but either way - what is the answer?
-H
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Do you have a link to this feat?
Edit: oh, you mean the Iomedaean Sword Oath?
I'd say using a Shield as a weapon would require an atonement, yes, but using it as armor would not (otherwise you'd have to take off your gauntlets every time you entered combat, too).
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Do you have a link to this feat?
Edit: oh, you mean the Iomedaean Sword Oath?
I'd say using a Shield as a weapon would require an atonement, yes, but using it as armor would not (otherwise you'd have to take off your gauntlets every time you entered combat, too).
Yes the Iomadaean Sword Oath (thanks for letting me know the correct name). You're intuition is the same as mine but anyone know a definitive answer in the rules?
-M
Now, if you use an improvised weapon, does it count?
I'd say yes. As was stated. Oaths are not trivial things and if they have taken an oath the character and the player should be striving to keep it; not trying to break it or find a way around it.
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If I had a character with that feat, I'd carry at least one backup longsword.
Well, good luck using that Longsword to shoot down Harpies.
Seriously, I've heard of feat taxes, but this feat literally does nothing but allow you to spend your next feat on something else. That's pretty lame and goes against Pathfinder's "no dead levels" spirit. This would have worked better as an archetype, trait, or some other mechanic.
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It gives you a +2 to hit for longswords, the equivalent of having both weapon focus and greater weapon focus for that weapon. It's not a feat tax, as it's not required for anything else.Well, good luck using that Longsword to shoot down Harpies.Seriously, I've heard of feat taxes, but this feat literally does nothing but allow you to spend your next feat on something else. That's pretty lame and goes against Pathfinder's "no dead levels" spirit. This would have worked better as an archetype, trait, or some other mechanic.
Um, are you and I looking at the same feat?
Um, are you and I looking at the same feat?It gives you a +2 to hit for longswords, the equivalent of having both weapon focus and greater weapon focus for that weapon. It's not a feat tax, as it's not required for anything else.Well, good luck using that Longsword to shoot down Harpies.Seriously, I've heard of feat taxes, but this feat literally does nothing but allow you to spend your next feat on something else. That's pretty lame and goes against Pathfinder's "no dead levels" spirit. This would have worked better as an archetype, trait, or some other mechanic.
Maybe the updated thing in Inner Sea Gods does that. The feat mentioned in the original post doesn't give you anything other than the ability to select 4th-level fighter feats later.
Yeah, a feat that allows you to qualify as a fighter for taking feats AND comes with a drawback like that?
Screams trap.
Rubbish of a feat. Haven't seen the text on the new one.
==Aelryinth
If you are a cleric or inquisitor you can take Disciple of the sword from gods of the inner sea. It is weapon specialization except cleric or inquisitor only.
As for the opening question, I could also see it ruled either way. If you shield bash, technically you are still using the sword in your other hand, right? I'd allow it, but I'm on the side of allowing most things.
Don't take that old 3.5 feat. It was one of the worst feats ever written.
Take Disciple of the Sword instead. It's the same idea, but actually good.
I wonder if there will be a way to have this feat as a warpriest.
The revised version is interesting. If I knew him before, I would have made a different Inquisitor.
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Why can't Paladin can't take this? Would it upset balance?...
I guess you could house rule it. The only reason I think it says for cleric or inquisitor is cause they are 3/4 BAB casting classes. That or just for flavor. I don't think it would be terribly over-powered for a Paladin to have the feat. Disciple of the Sword thematically fits with a Paladin of Iomedae to me. As well as makes a sword & board Paladin more workable, since most folks decry them in favor or two-handed weapons or bows.
Thoughts anyone? Any reason why you don't see this as a good house rule or errata?!
*bump*
Paladin: but I used the bow to save the poor children!
Iomedae: Sorry, the longsword is more important that being a good paladin.
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Awful option.
I guess you could house rule it. The only reason I think it says for cleric or inquisitor is cause they are 3/4 BAB casting classes. That or just for flavor. I don't think it would be terribly over-powered for a Paladin to have the feat. Disciple of the Sword thematically fits with a Paladin of Iomedae to me. As well as makes a sword & board Paladin more workable, since most folks decry them in favor or two-handed weapons or bows.
Thoughts anyone? Any reason why you don't see this as a good house rule or errata?!
At my table I'd meet the player half way and blend the feats a bit. They'd still have to abide by the Oath, but I'd let them get Weapon Spec at the time of getting the feat and allow them to treat Pally levels as Fighter levels for future Greater Weapon Focus (longsword) and Greater Weapon Specialization (longsword). I wouldn't allow a full BAB class access to one of Fighter's few defining features totally for free.