Seoni's Discard Power and the Farmhouse

[Aureate]

We were playing a scenario with the Farmhouse location. It says that any allies that are discarded are buried instead. Does that include discards used to power abilites like Seoni's? I'm assuming yes, and that is how we played it, but it did come up in conversation after the game.

[csouth154]

You did it correctly. A discarded ally is a discarded ally, regardless of why it was discarded.

[csouth154]

Note that if it said "discarded when played", that would be a different story, because cards are only considered played if one of their own powers are activated.

[Aureate]

Thanks for the confirmation. Appreciate it.

[OilHorse]

csouth154 wrote:

You did it correctly. A discarded ally is a discarded ally, regardless of why it was discarded.

Are you sure on this?

I take the location as only forcing you to bury if you actually play it as an ally and are discarding it from that.

[Hawkmoon269]

I would agree with csouth. The location power doesn't say you have to have played the ally, just that if you would discard an ally, you must bury it instead. So if for any reason you find yourself discarding an ally, you bury it.

[OilHorse]

Hawkmoon269 wrote:

I would agree with csouth. The location power doesn't say you have to have played the ally, just that if you would discard an ally, you must bury it instead. So if for any reason you find yourself discarding an ally, you bury it.

I guess I am wondering is if it is actually considered an ally, or just a card.

I look at the game's cards as not being anything until they need to be recognized as what they are. Up until that point they are the "life essence" and "strategic resources" available to the character.

So the card discarded to trigger Seoni's spell was not an ally, but a part of her power.

You guys are pretty good about how you see the way the game works, so i am not really arguing, but it is not how I would see it played out with our group.

[csouth154]

Cards are never type-less. Nowhere in the rules does it suggest that this should ever be the case. Obviously, you should play the way you wish; I'm just pointing out that you are imposing assumptions onto the game that the RAW do not support.

[Munchwolf]

So if you discarded it because of taking damage in that location, you would also bury it?

[csouth154]

Munchwolf wrote:

So if you discarded it because of taking damage in that location, you would also bury it?

The location rule does not specify or exclude any particular reason for discarding, so I would say yes.

[OilHorse]

csouth154 wrote:

Cards are never type-less. Nowhere in the rules does it suggest that this should ever be the case. Obviously, you should play the way you wish; I'm just pointing out that you are imposing assumptions onto the game that the RAW do not support.

Not "imposing" anything, just don't read it the same.

When the card is played as an ally then the location sets a limitation on where it goes. Otherwise it is not being played as an ally.

To me it just seems that the wording on the location is to mean that the card was played. Not because it was used as damage or to help power a feature.

[csouth154]

OilHorse wrote:

csouth154 wrote:

Cards are never type-less. Nowhere in the rules does it suggest that this should ever be the case. Obviously, you should play the way you wish; I'm just pointing out that you are imposing assumptions onto the game that the RAW do not support.

Not "imposing" anything, just don't read it the same.

When the card is played as an ally then the location sets a limitation on where it goes. Otherwise it is not being played as an ally.

To me it just seems that the wording on the location is to mean that the card was played. Not because it was used as damage or to help power a feature.

I understand, but they are very careful about specifying that kind of thing when they want to. Take Valeros's power to recharge instead of discarding weapons "when played", as an example of when they specify.

[Hawkmoon269]

Here is a thread where Mike clarifies that its for any reason, not just if you played it.

[Munchwolf]

csouth154 wrote:

Munchwolf wrote:

So if you discarded it because of taking damage in that location, you would also bury it?

The location rule does not specify or exclude any particular reason for discarding, so I would say yes.

If an Ally card discarded by damage is buried (something anything can do), then why do people think there is a special case for Seoni's discarding to trigger a power?

[csouth154]

Munchwolf wrote:

csouth154 wrote:

Munchwolf wrote:

So if you discarded it because of taking damage in that location, you would also bury it?

The location rule does not specify or exclude any particular reason for discarding, so I would say yes.

If an Ally card discarded by damage is buried (something anything can do), then why do people think there is a special case for Seoni's discarding to trigger a power?

Well..the easy answer to that is that some are reading things into the intent of the rule that isn't there. It's a reasonable mistake to make, but a mistake nonetheless.