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A tribe of goblins or a xenophobic human settlement, would both be watched for aggressive tendencies. If they began attacking people we would first try and communicate with them, make them understand the error of their ways. If they refused then we would respond with force.
My point there was that both may be docile at a certain distance, and hostile if you approach. If you choose to approach, knowing it will trigger a fight, what then? If they have rights to claim and defend property, your trespass could make you the aggressor, even if you don't attack first. I'm not questioning your intent to act virtuously, but you may have to prioritize some virtues over others. Does your freedom to travel outweigh another's right to defend their territory?
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In cases like this where we question the moral "existence" of rights as the belong to non-player entities. In most cases such as this I believe that the River Kingdom Freedoms would apply over all others, and as such should probably apply to any creatures that are "intelligent" enough to warrant caution, as well as applying to property.
In the case of Goblins and their ilk, I imagine in such a setting any reasonable PC would have been raised to think of them like vermin, monsters, or simply best to avoided. In such cases we would be skirting the ethical questions, based on our current objectives.
Travel any road means that if we receive a S&D we are unhappy with, we would be well supported by our organization to slay the offender without fear of repercussions.
As this applies to animals, I would simply bulk them under the category of property, or a "native" resource to be used if they are not properly owned by a settlement.
Non-Aggression to me means thinking before acting. We are free to react to things as we see fit, so long as we aren't working to actively infringe on the right of personal safety, or ownership we will find things much simpler by simply not making enemies.
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If you choose to approach, knowing it will trigger a fight, what then?
My "knowing" it will cause a fight and still proceeding is an aggressive act. It may be passive aggressive and a bit (bleep)y but it is still an attack. I would expect that these neighbors would know us and our intentions. We will have spoken about their territory and us not crossing into it and vice verse.
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Thanks Lifedragn! We're working on passing you guys :)
That is very ambitious and I wish you luck! Unfortunately for your goals, we still have our own folks waking from their hibernation and have been and hopefully will be raising the bar continuously. I shall be thrilled if you pass us, as that becomes a lot of 'good guys'. But we still need to show Goblinworks was not mistaken by judging us as one of the big three based on the former poll. ;)
For anyone looking in, I would like to offer formal endorsement of this organization. As the leader of another organization and a general member of the PFO community, these guys have been nothing but a pleasure to engage with as we have waited for EE to roll around.
That isn't to say that there are not other great groups. But I've intruded on the Keeper's discussions enough to warrant saying something nice.
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My point there was that both may be docile at a certain distance, and hostile if you approach. If you choose to approach, knowing it will trigger a fight, what then? If they have rights to claim and defend property, your trespass could make you the aggressor, even if you don't attack first. I'm not questioning your intent to act virtuously, but you may have to prioritize some virtues over others. Does your freedom to travel outweigh another's right to defend their territory?
For my two characters, I would not purposely enter their territory looking for a fight. That to me is an aggressive move. The only reason that I would do so is to attempt to seek friendly terms, perhaps trade if possible. If attacked, I would defend and retreat. It's their right to protect their home.
If they begin to expand and threaten neighbors, that is where the issue begins.
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Aragon News: Ambassadorship extended to KotC Lorhayden
Welcome Sir, your access to our settlement has been granted. You may visit the Ambassador's Lounge, a private parlor of "The Lamenting Woman". You may also indulge in all forms of depraved debauchery in the main room as well.
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That blows hard Bludd. You should forward the contact information for the relevant members directly to the support staff at Paizo, according to RD's public FB page he personally handled over 200 such cased today, and I'm sure they'll be able to help you guys get your problems sorted out.
Hell, even Lisa seems to be getting her hands dirty in all this. Good Luck!
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So the bug was that the pledge manager tool wasn't correctly passing the details to goblinworks.com account. If you were affected you now simply go back to the pledge manager tool and click on the final stage to "create" the goblinworks account. You then type in your existing goblinworks user and password and it should automatically link them. It should then recognise your pledge and bingo, you can vote :)
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Ah, but we actually get to drink on the job, and write the expense off as a "work related" cost for building diplomatic relations...
And I get to drink with all the Dwarves of DeepForge and call it "Training" to be a better miner. Who do you think has the better deal?
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While it is true I enjoy some good dwarven brew, I have an interest in a broad range of drinks. So, a fine Snowcaster Eiswein, some Sargavan spiced rum, perhaps a nice Andoran raspberry lambic (not those cheap knock-offs with the nasty syrup added, of course)...getting around to different groups hits my need for diversity. Though looking at that list, it seems I've got an unconscious sweet-tooth at the moment...
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Ah, but we actually get to drink on the job, and write the expense off as a "work related" cost for building diplomatic relations...And I get to drink with all the Dwarves of DeepForge and call it "Training" to be a better miner. Who do you think has the better deal?
And I get to drink with the troops of steel and call it moral boosting.
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I use alchemy so I can drink without a hangover. I could totally write it off as a research experiment.I'm sure you've had a drink or two or some mixtures that weren't intended for consumption. A little accidental switching of bottles...
I know a certain gnome alchemist who brews some good tasting dwarven ale but is really a laxative. Great for pranks and causing diversions for certain people. :P
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Heh, sorry about that Rufus--we are in deed glad both to have the problem worked out and for a posted solution...
And Ravenlute, will the Keepers see a Barbarian representative at any point? I haven't stepped over into the land of Prophecy yet, as it seems at present you might kill any non-clanfolk on sight...Perhaps if I can get an escort at the border, a quid of some fine Shoanti chew I happen to have in my possession could be arranged.
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Well, I suppose I should make some time to establish connections with KotC and some other groups. Due to the unique structure of the SBC and Prophecy we won't have proper reps until we are actually in-game.
At this point we aren't necessarily going to kill on sight, it all depends on how we perceive you at the time. An offering of some kind always goes a long way to promoting neutrality.
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I would like to echo Carbon's statement. Thank you to everyone for their support and for those in our group for not only joining, but seeking to build a great company.
If you have not already done so, please check us out - the link is on the front page (and fixed on the first post!). If you are from another company, as Erian has said before, come and visit, we would love to get to know you and yours.
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I'm sure you've had a drink or two or some mixtures that weren't intended for consumption. A little accidental switching of bottles...If it glows blue don't drink it. It might be radioactive.
There's an important difference between radioactive water, and irradiated water.
One is deadly and invisible, one is deadly and beautiful.
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The (Philosophy of) War needs YOU!
We are Keepers of Light dedicated to protecting others. We bring the healing Light to the front lines. We protect those that cannot protect themselves. We sacrifice ourselves so that others could survive and continue to fight for those that cannot fight for themselves.
We hold the Non-Aggression principle as our code of honor but we do not yield if fight is thrust upon us. We do not wish for war but if war is unavoidable we do not shy away from the challenge.
If you would like to contribute to this cause, please consider joining our fight to ensure that the Light of hope never fades.
Yours faithfully,
Fruben, Keeper of Light, Oracle of War
[And yes, that is the actual title bestowed upon me by the Guardian of Light Leonidas Wahrheit. Not quite the Oracle of Heavy Metal, but pretty close.]
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I'm sure you've had a drink or two or some mixtures that weren't intended for consumption. A little accidental switching of bottles...If it glows blue don't drink it. It might be radioactive.There's an important difference between radioactive water, and irradiated water.
One is deadly and invisible, one is deadly and beautiful.
Um, actually Irradiated Water isn't deadly at all. It is certainly safer to drink then non-purified water from a river near a city.
Irradiated means it was exposed to radiation, it contains no radioactive material at all. Some food companies Irradiate food, though there is some question of whether it is effective or not, the idea is to kill off bacteria.
You can buy a device to Irradiate your water.
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Um, actually Irradiated Water isn't deadly at all. It is certainly safer to drink then non-purified water from a river near a city.
Irradiated means it was exposed to radiation, it contains no radioactive material at all. Some food companies Irradiate food, though there is some question of whether it is effective or not, the idea is to kill off bacteria.
You can buy a device to Irradiate your water.
There is a bit of a difference between irradiated so to kill bacteria, and irradiated to the point that the water glows blue. One you get in your home, the other inside and around nuclear reactors.
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There is a bit of a difference between irradiated so to kill bacteria, and irradiated to the point that the water glows blue. One you get in your home, the other inside and around nuclear reactors.Um, actually Irradiated Water isn't deadly at all. It is certainly safer to drink then non-purified water from a river near a city.
Irradiated means it was exposed to radiation, it contains no radioactive material at all. Some food companies Irradiate food, though there is some question of whether it is effective or not, the idea is to kill off bacteria.
You can buy a device to Irradiate your water.
Water which glows from radiation is radioactive. Whether it got that way by being irradiated or from being a solution with other particles is irrelevant. Irradiated itself is not a dangerous quality, regardless of how irradiated it has been in the past.
radioactive=dangerous
irradiated=indeterminate.
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So you are interested in some of what the Keepers of the Circle do?
The Ring of Crystal is for those who are interested in the arcane. Magical lore, knowledge and research will be carried out in this ring. During times of war and need, these mages will rise and lend magical-muscle, enchant items and help protect those in need.
The Ring of Earth is for those who wish to build the foundation of not only the group but the Settlement. Farming, construction and mining will be amongst the activities in this ring. They provide food, shelter and collect many other items for use.
The Ring of Gold will reach out and welcome allies and friends, and to work out contracts with partners. Not only ambassadors, members of Gold also are the merchants and bankers of the group. They may also travel to other locations and help strengthen ally ties.
The Ring of Light believe in protecting life. They will provide aide and healing wherever they can, and act as a bastion of hope.
The Ring of Iron focus on crafting not only weapons, but mundane items and tools that help improve life in the Settlement. They seek to perfect their craft and can even run their own shops should they wish.
The Ring of Shadow are for those who enjoy stealth, surprise and knowledge. They seek to know everything and to carry out tasks that may not be entirely lawful to provide protection for the whole.
The Ring of Steel is for those who wish to protect life. They are the military arm of the group and will go out and protect those who travel in caravans or who go out to collect.
The Ring of Wood is for those who wish to travel the wilds and seek out new discoveries, to go out and protect those traveling in our area along with Steel, to hunt for food, and act as guides.
This is only a few things the Keepers of the Circle offer. We have something for everyone so long as you respect Life. We uphold non-aggression and freedom, but that does not mean we will not protect those we care about.
Let the Keepers help you enjoy all aspects of PFO.
Keepers of the Circle
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The Ring of Crystal is also interested in Scholarship, in-game and out, education of ourselves and others, keeping historical records, collection of knowledge, and using the extensive knowledge base we develop to serve as advisers. Magic is our focus only because it is the rawest expression of "Knowledge is Power," and the most difficult to deal with if lacking is its knowledge.*
*That and it is the only mechanically represented in-game expression of academic knowledge that I am currently aware of.
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There is a bit of a difference between irradiated so to kill bacteria, and irradiated to the point that the water glows blue. One you get in your home, the other inside and around nuclear reactors.Um, actually Irradiated Water isn't deadly at all. It is certainly safer to drink then non-purified water from a river near a city.
Irradiated means it was exposed to radiation, it contains no radioactive material at all. Some food companies Irradiate food, though there is some question of whether it is effective or not, the idea is to kill off bacteria.
You can buy a device to Irradiate your water.
Water which glows from radiation is radioactive. Whether it got that way by being irradiated or from being a solution with other particles is irrelevant. Irradiated itself is not a dangerous quality, regardless of how irradiated it has been in the past.
radioactive=dangerous
irradiated=indeterminate.
Careful. I hear UNC is selling some Abysium water. Wouldn't want to drink that.
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Careful. I hear UNC is selling some Abysium water. Wouldn't want to drink that.
Drink, no. Purchase for research purposes, yes please. I don't know enough about Abysium to make mass purchases for production purposes though.
I don't suppose that UNC, lists the Molarity of this Abysium water do they? I'm sure an MSDS, is out of the question.
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The Keepers of the Circle are actively recruiting any players interested in the Diplomatic and Merchant roles in PFO. With the numerous goods and services produced by our other Rings, the Ring of Gold merchants will have myriad goods available for trade. You can focus on running your own store, brokering deals between parties, or leading far-ranging caravans (for those that want as much PvP in their mercantile lives as possible). Want to track the buy/sell changes across the entire game? We've got a place for you. Interested in the banking aspects and "running the numbers" to fund current and future settlement/group projects? Yep, we've got that too. Or perhaps you favor voice and pen over coin and sword--we have roles for all diplomatic types ranging from traveling "bards" (of the Celtic variety, spreading news and maintaining far-ranging relations), to consuls living in foreign lands, all the way up to official Ambassadors charged with all relations to a single group and empowered to make binding agreements for the Circle as a whole.
Think swinging a sword and blasting goblins (or fellow PCs) with spells is the only excitement in PFO? Think again...
Please check the Diplomats and Merchants - The Keepers Want You! thread for regular updates concerning the Ring of Gold efforts in both trade and diplomacy.