Alright. I only own the Bestiary and the CRB. Can't really afford anything else. So, I challenge you to make your MOST BORKEN BUILD for PFS using only the CRB.
what "type" of character are you looking for? melee? ranged? caster? also, what level?
Fey Sorcerer.
1st Level. I'm looking for a type of character who is mediocre at low levels, then goes insane at mid levels, then make-your-GM's-head-explode at high levels.
sounds like you want a caster of some type then. You have a preference of arcane or divine?
I hear dedicated archers are pretty strong.
-Matt
1st Level. I'm looking for a type of character who is mediocre at low levels, then goes insane at mid levels, then make-your-GM's-head-explode at high levels.
Don't forget there are 5 other players at the table and the GM is volunteering their time and everyone deserve to have just as much fun as you. If head exploding is fun for them, great. If it's not, you may want to consider how you use your head-exploder in this social game of ours.
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I think that having NPCs exploded is something that most GMs should be comfortably numb about. Most PFS NPCs just aren't that threatening to any PC group that is paying attention. The job of GM in PFS is a bit like volunteering to be a bobo doll. Expect to get spanked.
On the other hand, your fellow players may not appreciate 4-5 hours of not contributing. I know I don't.
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1st Level. I'm looking for a type of character who is mediocre at low levels, then goes insane at mid levels, then make-your-GM's-head-explode at high levels.Don't forget there are 5 other players at the table and the GM is volunteering their time and everyone deserve to have just as much fun as you. If head exploding is fun for them, great. If it's not, you may want to consider how you use your head-exploder in this social game of ours.
Says the cleric with the highest kill count in our Way of the Wicked game.
What was that, like a thousand crows?
Hmm, I've been slinging Rogue builds around quite a bit lately. I wonder if I can make this work...
Human Rogue
10 Str
16+2 Dex
14 Con
14 Int
8 Wis
12 Cha
1: Improved Initiative, Combat Expertise - start with Weapon Finesse at character creation, then swap into Combat Expertise upon hitting 2nd level.
Rog2: Finesse Rogue: Weapon Finesse
3: Improved Feint (or Improved Trip if your parties act like a party and know what flanking is)
Rog4: Weapon Training (chosen weapon)
5: Improved Trip (or Improved Disarm if you're in cool parties, or Iron Will if you rush forward and get targeted a lot)
Rog6: Trap Spotter or maybe Fast Stealth
7: Combat Reflexes
Rog8: Combat Trick: Greater Trip
9: Two-Weapon Fighting
Rog10: Opportunist
11: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
That wouldn't be too bad. Just avoid tables with super-powered characters and you'll have a good time.
-Matt
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Wizard. I win! :)
Wizard (scryer) 1/Fighter 1/ EK 5/ AA 2....
You are, for all intents and purposes, a dedicated archer. But now you can drop Anti-Magic Fields from far away and then decimate people after all their spells and stuff stop working.
If its for PFS you are looking at a level cap of 12. If its not for PFS then you should be able to use any of the materials that your GM will accept.
Here are a couple of links with almost all of the main paizo book materials (don't worry nothing illegal);
Go nuts.
If you could use 3.5 books, I might know of a guy...
for a pure core rulebook build, I'd probably play something like the following:
Race: Human
Class: Bard 1
STR: 14
DEX: 14
CON: 14
INT: 10
WIS: 10
CHA: 16
HP: 11 (max for first level +2 con, +1 favored class)
AC: 18 (4 armor, 2 shield, 2 dex) Touch 12 Flat-Footed 16
BAB: 0
Init: +2
Fort: +2
Ref: +4
Will: +2
Speed: 30'
Skills:
Perform (Oratory, act, dance, percussion) Rank 1 +7
Linguistics Rank 1 +4
Spellcraft Rank 1 +4
Perception Rank 1 +4
Feats: Weapon proficiency (Heavy Spiked Shield), Improved Shield Bash
Class Features: Bardic Knowledge (+1), Bardic Performance (Countersong, Distraction, Fascinate, Inspire Courage +1), Cantrips
Spells:
0: Detect Magic, Prestidigitation, Light, Message
1: Cure Light Wounds, Detect Secret Doors
Gear: Chain Shirt, Heavy Spiked Shield, Spell Comp. Pouch, Adventurer's Kit.
Shield (w/bard song): +2 (+3) to hit; 1d6+2 (+3) damage; x2 crit.
Diviner Wizard, I go first, I win
Conjurer (Teleportation supschool), I can Dim. Door as a swift action (qualifies for Dimensional Agility at level 1 to boot).
it's kinda hard to "win" at first level as a wizard. You can do alright, but survivability is always troubling.
PFS does eliminate Crafting feats, so that does help long-term. Neat ideas here, guys.
it's kinda hard to "win" at first level as a wizard. You can do alright, but survivability is always troubling.
Sleep and Color Spray... just saying...
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OK, CRB only. Level 1 Human Fey Sorcerer.
Start with a Charisma 20.
Feats: Spell Focus (Enchantment), Greater Spell Focus (Enchantment)
Have Daze as one of your level 0 spells known. DC is 19. Will is routinely a low save at low levels. Average low save for CR1 is 1. By CR3 it moves to 3. Enjoy daze locking an opponent every fight without expending any resources.
Put a rank into handle animal and buy a cheap pet to eat the target of your daze lock.
Yep. I know you said CRB only but if APG and ARG get thrown it make them a Kitsune and take the +1/4 DC check as your favored level bonus and the Fey Sorcerer is hard to beat.
Daze doesn't prevent you from defending yourself, so a 20 AC guy is still a 20 AC guy.
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Daze doesn't prevent you from defending yourself, so a 20 AC guy is still a 20 AC guy.
True, but you've got a whole round of the rest of the party doing . . . well, whatever, to take care of that.
I used a very similar Fey Human Sorcerer build to wreck the first 5 levels of a campaign. Now, Level 5 on you'd better have some new tricks up your sleeve, but I was practically invincible the first few sessions.
** spoiler omitted **
No traits. other than that, a pretty neat build!
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5 levels of any class/3 levels of shadowdancer.
Pfs does not take in to account any of the super powers players start getting mid levels. If you do anything other than walk through the front door you break a lot of scenarios. Third level shadowdancer gets a shadow that can walk through walls and is invincible vs anything without a magic weapon or damaging spells. Just using it to scout ahead makes steam come out of some GM's ears
the problem with that philosophy is that you're sending off your shadow alone with no support and it doesn't get any better. It's got a 15 AC and 19 HP. You should assume that almost everything that you fight in the 5-9 or 7-11 range has magic weapons or magic, and even taking half damage the shadow isn't long for this world. Then it's fort save or permanent negative level, and you're out your shadow for at least this adventure, with no idea what happened.
Do many PFS foes of 8th level or higher have a higher than +8 Stealth or a higher than +8 Perception? Obviously some do (being a class skill, it would normally be +11 plus modifier), but I would generally presume it's not that common. EDIT: As I don't play PFS, I'm not claiming to be an expert on it, here. I'm actually asking in the first part, and explaining my presumption in the second. Also worth noting is that the shadow can almost always have cover or concealment by phasing into the floor/ceiling/whatever.
Also, it has hp equal to half yours, not the normal shadow hp.
Thus it does improve in some categories. Also, you can cast spells on it.
But it is risky - for sure.
PFS has a standardized HP setup, so a rogue 5/shadowdancer 3 would have 43 HP not including con, toughness, or favored class.
And yes, I would say there is usually at least one creature per combat that has at perception higher than 8 on average. even with a character who has favored class for rogue and toughness with a 14 con, the shadow would only have 35 hp. that's two magic missiles on average from a 9th level caster.
Cool. Good to know - as I said, since I don't play PFS, I didn't know those rules specifically, but I was mentioning that the shadow does, at least, improve. But 35 hp is a lot compared to 18 or even the standard 19! Also, if the shadow does get caught, it has initiative and the option (and probably choice of) simply leaving. As I said: it's definitely risky (you're correct), but it also makes a lot of sense that it could definitely work out well for the shadow, too.
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lol
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It's only risky if you do risky things with it. If its just going along poking its head through walls to see what's on the other side, there's not much risk to it. And while every fight with a humanoid you can expect they have magic weapons, there's almost always at least one fight with a monster (animal, plant, magic beast, ooze, aberation etc) that has no means of hurting it.)
Pathfinder traits web enhancement is *free* and PFS legal.
So given "CRB and Bestiary are the only books I own", you can totally make a Fey bloodline Sorcerer who casts Extended Daze with DC 17 (or higher) all day.
Then spend your gold on a combat-trained, barded, light horse.