Unbreakable Fighter - "Any combat feat???"

[Xellrael]

The unbreakable fighter states: "At 5th level, an unbreakable gains the Heroic Recovery feat as a bonus feat, if he does not have it already. If he already has this feat, the unbreakable can choose any combat feat instead."

As stated, an unbreakable who already has heroic recovery can choose ANY combat feat at 5th. level. It does not state that he must meet the prerequisites, only that it must be a combat feat. The official errata for Ultimate Combat makes no comment. Does anyone know of any official commentary?

Until there is official errata, would it be legal (though admittedly cheesy) to pick something like greater vital strike as the replacement feat? What about in PFS?

Thanks!

[Nefreet]

No.

Notice the regular Fighter does not have such language, either. People often try to claim they could grab Greater Vital Strike as a 1st level Fighter, "because RAW nothing says I can't!"

Pathfinder is a permissive game. You must meet a feat's prerequisites unless you have an ability that states otherwise. That is the general rule.

Classes like the Monk and Ranger have specific language that overrides the general rule.

Fighters don't.

[Pupsocket]

What do you think?

[Helikon]

Honestly I think, that too often people see something and think WHAT IS THE MOST POWERFUL OPTION POSSIBLE, instead of, WHAT DOES COMMEN SENSE DICTATE!
Yes you can take any combat feat. Any combat feat you could take if it was a level up.
There are special cases. They have always the sentence, "A xxx need not have any of the prerequisites normally required for these feats to select them" and usually a quick list of chooseable feats.

[Anachrony]

There are some bonus feat features that mention you can take certain bonus feats without meeting the normal prerequisites. I think it's safe to assume that if they intend for you to be able to bypass prerequisites they'll say so.

[Xellrael]

Thank you for clarifying the general rule. I figured the answer was "no," but wanted to know why. Sometimes it states that you do need to meet prerequisites; sometimes it states that you don't. Not seeing either statement left a lingering doubt.

[Xellrael]

Helikon wrote:

Honestly I think, that too often people see something and think WHAT IS THE MOST POWERFUL OPTION POSSIBLE, instead of, WHAT DOES COMMEN SENSE DICTATE!

Common sense does not always apply. Common sense dictates that an adamantine shuriken isn't utterly destroyed by hitting human flesh.

All caps is considered shouting and therefore offensive.

[CWheezy]

Helikon wrote:

Honestly I think, that too often people see something and think WHAT IS THE MOST POWERFUL OPTION POSSIBLE, instead of, WHAT DOES COMMEN SENSE DICTATE!

Yes you can take any combat feat. Any combat feat you could take if it was a level up.

I think if you plan on posting in the rules forum, you should not belittle other posters! Thanks

[James Risner]

Xellrael wrote:

It does not state that he must meet the prerequisites, only that it must be a combat feat.

It must do the opposite for it to be your way. It must state you do not need to meet prereqs, because the default is you must.