Good idea!
And the Advanced Template is right out!
I don't think by "advanced version of a creature" they are referring to the 'advanced template', as that template is already covered by "cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template". As I said I think there is plenty of room for interpretation there. My point is the polymorph subschool description is trying to limit considerably the creatures in which you can transform, so it is not affected by every single variation of a creature that appears in any source or comes from your GM's mind.
I agree with the fact that if Sewer Troll is accepted, then the natural attack should come with 10 feet reach, but only with the claws.
When I said 'breaking the balance' I didn't intend to mean 'breaking the game' but rather, the fact that you are allowing a spell to give you something it was not intended for, reach. If that was intended, why not to allow effects that modify creature size, or directly to transform in large creatures? To what extend that is bad? It depends a lot on whom you are playing with. To my experience those things usually end bad when they are used repeatedly.
Wanted to point out that lizardfolk have two claw attacks, not one as listed. The only reason only one is shown in the stat block is because his other hand is holding something.
I see, it is because they are holding a shield. I have fixed that on the table sheet. What makes me doubt is for example nagaji whom are very close to lizardfolk, have only 1 claw attack even when they are not using a shield.
I like the sheet, but it would be nice to have the source for all the various creatures as well. That way you can easily verify that you have the required resources.
In J:J column you have the Sourcebook, is that not what you are asking for?
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I see, it is because they are holding a shield. I have fixed that on the table sheet. What makes me doubt is for example nagaji whom are very close to lizardfolk, have only 1 claw attack even when they are not using a shield.
Huh. That Is the first time I actually read the nagaji bestiary entry. I am pretty sure that is an error, as prior to that statblock, nagaji never had any natural attacks.
Well, the nagaji race does not, but the monster seems to have it. It is interesting, I have never seen it as an error, it seemed to have sense to me.
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Well, the nagaji race does not, but the monster seems to have it. It is interesting, I have never seen it as an error, it seemed to have sense to me.
There is no nagaji monster - they are defined by class levels. The example in bestiary 4 is a fighter. Compare to the bestiary entry for Tengu, where the bite is clearly listed under Tengu Characters.
The reptilian humanoid subtype doesn't grant a claw attack, so it's not type-based.
I'm pretty sure that claw attack is an error.
I like the sheet, but it would be nice to have the source for all the various creatures as well. That way you can easily verify that you have the required resources.In J:J column you have the Sourcebook, is that not what you are asking for?
I was looking at the original document.
Looking at your version of the document, yes it does have the source listed.
Thanks!
And the Advanced Template is right out!I don't think by "advanced version of a creature" they are referring to the 'advanced template', as that template is already covered by "cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template". As I said I think there is plenty of room for interpretation there. My point is the polymorph subschool description is trying to limit considerably the creatures in which you can transform, so it is not affected by every single variation of a creature that appears in any source or comes from your GM's mind.
You only quoted me refering to the Advanced Template - the reason I specified "Right out!" in the silly manner that I did was because it had a double "Nu-uh" built in (neither advanced nor templates).
However, immediately before that, I note:
The second doesn't apply, because the sewer troll isn't a template, and it's not "advanced" in any way - it's an entirely different creature, just like different giants are different from each other. You couldn't become a sewer troll that had more hit dice, or a half-dragon sewer troll, or anything "advanced" or "with a template" like that.
There are very specific rules for monster advancement.
This is the only non-template reference to "advanced" I can find in the game (though it does ignore the magic section, so obviously it's not perfect - it is, however, the only thing with "advanced" as its heading that could apply).
Hence, again, the sewer troll isn't a template, and it's not "advanced" in any way the game considers the idea. If anything, it's "regressed" (I don't think that's an actual game term, though I'd be willing to be proven wrong).
While a GM is certainly free to rule differently, the only references I can find in RAW are these. Hence, anything else looks like GM fiat instead of the written rule.
I have "beautified" your cheat sheet, Xedrek, and have added it to the Roleplaying Tools section of Ravingdork's Crazy Character Gallery.
Thanks o: has been corrected. Honored to be in the gallery. Read quite a few of your characters
Looks good, nice work Xedrek! Thank you!!
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Xedrek's last post to these boards was on February 20, 2015.Looks good, nice work Xedrek! Thank you!!
That's a shame, because I JUST discovered this thread!
Nice work to everyone who worked on the lists and spreadsheets in this thread. Thank you!
(I hope that eventually they will return and see that their work is still being appreciated!) :)
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The polymorphamory guide covers alter self.
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pg4j&page=4?Polymorphamory-The-Love-of-Ch anging-Form-A
It’s fairly up to date, though the newest version may be on the last page of that thread.
I think this is the latest direct link to the guide.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1avbOKg848X3Z3dVpmdrpxtR__zan2jj_NzP0uZU 9LTw
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You should probably mention missing items in the thread for that guide. I imagine it slipped through because it's a giant. But it's also technically a medium humanoid, so I guess it would qualify for alter self.
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the Polymorphory Guide doesn’t show Sewer Troll, which appears to be pretty good. The Guide doesn’t really provide many options, but it appears to be te case that there isn’t a good reason to, for example, use a small size shape that isn’t a Charau-Ka.The polymorphamory guide covers alter self.
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pg4j&page=4?Polymorphamory-The-Love-of-Ch anging-Form-A
It’s fairly up to date, though the newest version may be on the last page of that thread.
I think this is the latest direct link to the guide.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1avbOKg848X3Z3dVpmdrpxtR__zan2jj_NzP0uZU 9LTw
Surely you mean Canopy Troll.