paizo.com Recent Posts in Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?paizo.com Recent Posts in Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?2014-04-26T17:53:45Z2014-04-26T17:53:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Imbicatushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#352014-04-28T02:12:44Z2014-04-28T02:12:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mike Franke wrote:</div><blockquote> No other weapon in the game provides a defensive bonus. Even combo weapon/shields like the klar are either a shield or weapon not both at the same time. Even defensive weapons like the sword breaker don't grant a defensive bonus. To allow a shield to be both a shield and at the same time a weapon would immediately make all weapons obsolete. </blockquote><p>Improved shield bash is in the the crb. The shield has always been able to be a shield and weapon at the same time.Mike Franke wrote:No other weapon in the game provides a defensive bonus. Even combo weapon/shields like the klar are either a shield or weapon not both at the same time. Even defensive weapons like the sword breaker don't grant a defensive bonus. To allow a shield to be both a shield and at the same time a weapon would immediately make all weapons obsolete.
Improved shield bash is in the the crb. The shield has always been able to be a shield and weapon at the same time.Imbicatus2014-04-28T02:12:44ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?SeeleyOnehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#342014-04-28T01:04:05Z2014-04-28T01:00:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">John Kretzer wrote:</div><blockquote><p> While I personally think fighting with two shield to be silly...to each their own.</p>
<p>I would say the feat you came up with above is the way to go instead of just house ruling shield bonus stack. As I think learning to effectively fight that way would require more training which the feat would represent. </blockquote><p>I cannot stop thinking about the person with a shield on each arm, screaming as the fight, and calling themselves a Tie-Fighter.John Kretzer wrote:While I personally think fighting with two shield to be silly...to each their own.
I would say the feat you came up with above is the way to go instead of just house ruling shield bonus stack. As I think learning to effectively fight that way would require more training which the feat would represent.
I cannot stop thinking about the person with a shield on each arm, screaming as the fight, and calling themselves a Tie-Fighter.SeeleyOne2014-04-28T01:00:51ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Man made of Magic (alias of ArmouredMonk13)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#332014-04-28T00:21:22Z2014-04-28T00:21:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mike Franke wrote:</div><blockquote>To allow a shield to be both a shield and at the same time a weapon would immediately make all weapons obsolete.</blockquote><p>The Falcata disagrees, as does the scimitar and scythe. I hear they are forming a protest as we speak.Mike Franke wrote:To allow a shield to be both a shield and at the same time a weapon would immediately make all weapons obsolete.
The Falcata disagrees, as does the scimitar and scythe. I hear they are forming a protest as we speak.Man made of Magic (alias of ArmouredMonk13)2014-04-28T00:21:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?blackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#322014-04-28T00:18:06Z2014-04-28T00:18:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mike Franke wrote:</div><blockquote> No other weapon in the game provides a defensive bonus. Even combo weapon/shields like the klar are either a shield or weapon not both at the same time. Even defensive weapons like the sword breaker don't grant a defensive bonus. To allow a shield to be both a shield and at the same time a weapon would immediately make all weapons obsolete. </blockquote><p>It absolutely, without a shadow of doubt, is a weapon.
<p>It is treated as a weapon. It is a valid choice for Weapon Focus, Weapon enchantments, and even is in Fighter Weapon Groups.</p>
<p>It is even on the weapons table.</p>
<p>Go tell Captain America his shield isn't a weapon.</p>
<p>A shield is a weapon.</p>Mike Franke wrote:No other weapon in the game provides a defensive bonus. Even combo weapon/shields like the klar are either a shield or weapon not both at the same time. Even defensive weapons like the sword breaker don't grant a defensive bonus. To allow a shield to be both a shield and at the same time a weapon would immediately make all weapons obsolete.
It absolutely, without a shadow of doubt, is a weapon. It is treated as a weapon. It is a valid choice for Weapon Focus, Weapon...blackbloodtroll2014-04-28T00:18:06ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Mike Franke (alias of Pyrrhic Victory)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#312014-04-28T02:08:01Z2014-04-28T00:12:38Z<p>No other weapon in the game provides a defensive bonus. Even combo weapon/shields like the klar are either a shield or weapon not both at the same time. Even defensive weapons like the sword breaker don't grant a defensive bonus. To allow a shield to be both a shield and at the same time a weapon would immediately make all weapons obsolete.</p>No other weapon in the game provides a defensive bonus. Even combo weapon/shields like the klar are either a shield or weapon not both at the same time. Even defensive weapons like the sword breaker don't grant a defensive bonus. To allow a shield to be both a shield and at the same time a weapon would immediately make all weapons obsolete.Mike Franke (alias of Pyrrhic Victory)2014-04-28T00:12:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Durngrun Stonebreakerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#302014-04-28T00:03:58Z2014-04-28T00:03:58Z<p>If you're not looking to powergame, then why do you need the extra shield bonus? Two weapon fighting with shields is already plenty powerful.</p>If you're not looking to powergame, then why do you need the extra shield bonus? Two weapon fighting with shields is already plenty powerful.Durngrun Stonebreaker2014-04-28T00:03:58ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Robert A Matthews (alias of Robert Matthews 166)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#292014-04-27T14:13:05Z2014-04-27T14:13:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Broken Prince wrote:</div><blockquote> Why can't he have an animated shield to? Surely if two shield is twice the AC... I forget if eidolons can use shields? No armour, but I think they could use shields. Get ten shields easy :) </blockquote><p>Shields are weapons so fair game.Broken Prince wrote:Why can't he have an animated shield to? Surely if two shield is twice the AC... I forget if eidolons can use shields? No armour, but I think they could use shields. Get ten shields easy :)
Shields are weapons so fair game.Robert A Matthews (alias of Robert Matthews 166)2014-04-27T14:13:05ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Broken Princehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#282014-04-27T06:25:20Z2014-04-27T06:25:20Z<p>Why can't he have an animated shield to? Surely if two shield is twice the AC... I forget if eidolons can use shields? No armour, but I think they could use shields. Get ten shields easy :)</p>Why can't he have an animated shield to? Surely if two shield is twice the AC... I forget if eidolons can use shields? No armour, but I think they could use shields. Get ten shields easy :)Broken Prince2014-04-27T06:25:20ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#272014-04-27T05:51:53Z2014-04-27T05:51:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kobold Cleaver wrote:</div><blockquote> Oh, is this a serious argument?</blockquote><p>Not really.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>In that case...congratulations. You've proven that using a complex rules array, a clueless GM, and very few compunctions about game fun, it is possible to make a broken build. </blockquote><p>Well, I think i effectively demonstrated "hey why is this rule in place" (secondary objective) while giving a laugh to the visual (primary objective)
<p>OH! he could also have a tentacle. And a dwarven boulder helmet. And a barbazu beard. Wonder if that tentacle can hold a shield... :) </p>
<p>[ooc]Seriously, that's actually one of the most ineffectual bosses I've ever seen.</blockquote><p>Make him a Monk wight. :)Kobold Cleaver wrote:Oh, is this a serious argument?
Not really. Quote:In that case...congratulations. You've proven that using a complex rules array, a clueless GM, and very few compunctions about game fun, it is possible to make a broken build.
Well, I think i effectively demonstrated "hey why is this rule in place" (secondary objective) while giving a laugh to the visual (primary objective) OH! he could also have a tentacle. And a dwarven boulder helmet. And a barbazu beard. Wonder if...BigNorseWolf2014-04-27T05:51:53ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#262014-04-27T03:50:20Z2014-04-27T03:50:20Z<p>Oh, is this a serious argument? In that case...congratulations. You've proven that using a complex rules array, a clueless GM, and very few compunctions about game fun, it is possible to make a broken build. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxlhyX-4qKI" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">My goodness.</a></p>
<p>;D</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>The note about enhancements is a pretty good point, though. However, you're still basing this whole build on a convoluted scheme with a laughable touch AC and absolutely abysmal Dex- and Str-based skills. It's a one-trick pony that will not be much fun to play even if the GM does allow it.</span></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Seriously, that's actually one of the most ineffectual bosses I've ever seen. He moves slow, has almost no offensive capability, and can't possibly have a Touch AC above 12. Unless he's a kobold, or something. The gunslinger and alchemist will have a "blast". As will the trippers, grapplers, and sunderers.</span></p>Oh, is this a serious argument? In that case...congratulations. You've proven that using a complex rules array, a clueless GM, and very few compunctions about game fun, it is possible to make a broken build. My goodness.
;D
The note about enhancements is a pretty good point, though. However, you're still basing this whole build on a convoluted scheme with a laughable touch AC and absolutely abysmal Dex- and Str-based skills. It's a one-trick pony that will not be much fun to play even if...Kobold Catgirl2014-04-27T03:50:20ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#252014-04-27T03:45:09Z2014-04-27T03:45:09Z<p>The shield extract is mostly because the only way to hit him is with a magic missile :) </p>
<p>At level 3</p>
<p>10+
<br />
+9 armor
<br />
+12 (4 tower shield X3)
<br />
+1 klar </p>
<p>= 32 ac. More with mutagen, dodge, etc. </p>
<p>Swinging at a boss and praying for a 20 isn't my idea of a good time.</p>
<p>For PCs it only gets worse, because increasing the shield bonuses by 1 each is exponentially cheaper than increasing the bonus on 1 shield. </p>
<p>for 6 k worth of enchants he gets +6 to his armor class. Doing that at +3 to armor and shield would cost 18,000</p>
<p>For 4,000 • 5 = 20,000 he adds 10 to his ac. To do the same with armor and shield would cost 50,000.</p>The shield extract is mostly because the only way to hit him is with a magic missile :)
At level 3
10+
+9 armor
+12 (4 tower shield X3)
+1 klar
= 32 ac. More with mutagen, dodge, etc.
Swinging at a boss and praying for a 20 isn't my idea of a good time.
For PCs it only gets worse, because increasing the shield bonuses by 1 each is exponentially cheaper than increasing the bonus on 1 shield.
for 6 k worth of enchants he gets +6 to his armor class. Doing that at +3 to armor and shield...BigNorseWolf2014-04-27T03:45:09ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#242014-04-27T03:45:04Z2014-04-27T03:45:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nick Bolhuis wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Assume shield focus, improved bash, mastery, TWF etc. </p>
<p>Mastery is allowing you to use the armour enhancement as a weapon enhancement. This is basically giving you two +5 weapons at half the cost of regular +5 weapons (for which you should have plenty of money givin that you don't nee to actually pay for weapons anymore). Even if these shields are only bucklers they are each providing you +7 armour in addition to being top shelf weapons, and you're not even losing this bonus while bashing. Further, mastery is basically giving you "perfect TWF" since master provides no TWF penalty what fighting with a shield and "other weapon". </p>
<p>It's just way too much for way too little </blockquote><p>And yet it's both RAW and RAI. Shield Master is an expensive feat that requires you to be level 11 and have heavily invested in this fighting style, and shields do not make very good weapons to begin with. This is just compensating for all the hell the poor 1d6/1d4 warrior went through.Nick Bolhuis wrote:Assume shield focus, improved bash, mastery, TWF etc.
Mastery is allowing you to use the armour enhancement as a weapon enhancement. This is basically giving you two +5 weapons at half the cost of regular +5 weapons (for which you should have plenty of money givin that you don't nee to actually pay for weapons anymore). Even if these shields are only bucklers they are each providing you +7 armour in addition to being top shelf weapons, and you're not even losing this bonus...Kobold Catgirl2014-04-27T03:45:04ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#232014-04-27T03:38:24Z2014-04-27T03:38:24Z<p>I'm not sure you can do that. It gets pretty convoluted, but:</p>
<p>1. In order to use an improvised weapon, you must have hands free.</p>
<p>1. The tower shield makes your hands not free.</p>
<p>1. The tower shield is not suitable for bashing. It's literally noted that tower shields can't be bashed with.</p>
<p>It'd be a fun build to try to make, though. I think an orc fighter who quickly multiclasses to barbarian after getting TWF and Double Slice would be the best bet. At third level (fighter 1/barbarian 2), with rage and Catch Off-Guard, he'll have about...</p>
<p>-4 TWF -2 TS +8 Str +3 BAB = +5/+5</p>
<p>So, if you're willing to break a bunch of rules, you become <i>almost</i> feasible. For an AC bonus that's still one point lower, and an armor situation more than three times more encumbering than what Full Plate gives. :P</p>
<p>But hey, take that, buy full plate, and we're talking a 27 AC (25 in rage). And a -26 ACP.</p>I'm not sure you can do that. It gets pretty convoluted, but:
1. In order to use an improvised weapon, you must have hands free.
1. The tower shield makes your hands not free.
1. The tower shield is not suitable for bashing. It's literally noted that tower shields can't be bashed with.
It'd be a fun build to try to make, though. I think an orc fighter who quickly multiclasses to barbarian after getting TWF and Double Slice would be the best bet. At third level (fighter 1/barbarian 2),...Kobold Catgirl2014-04-27T03:38:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Nick Bolhuis (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#222014-04-27T03:36:02Z2014-04-27T03:36:02Z<p>Assume shield focus, improved bash, mastery, TWF etc. </p>
<p>Mastery is allowing you to use the armour enhancement as a weapon enhancement. This is basically giving you two +5 weapons at half the cost of regular +5 weapons (for which you should have plenty of money givin that you don't nee to actually pay for weapons anymore). Even if these shields are only bucklers they are each providing you +7 armour in addition to being top shelf weapons, and you're not even losing this bonus while bashing. Further, mastery is basically giving you "perfect TWF" since master provides no TWF penalty what fighting with a shield and "other weapon". </p>
<p>It's just way too much for way too little</p>Assume shield focus, improved bash, mastery, TWF etc.
Mastery is allowing you to use the armour enhancement as a weapon enhancement. This is basically giving you two +5 weapons at half the cost of regular +5 weapons (for which you should have plenty of money givin that you don't nee to actually pay for weapons anymore). Even if these shields are only bucklers they are each providing you +7 armour in addition to being top shelf weapons, and you're not even losing this bonus while bashing....Nick Bolhuis (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16)2014-04-27T03:36:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?EvilPaladin (alias of ArmouredMonk13)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#212014-04-27T03:25:25Z2014-04-27T03:25:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kobold Cleaver wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I'm not exactly sure how it's "so inherently abuseable". Many of the strategies people joke about would actually be terrible. Dual-wielding tower shields? So much for making attacks.</p>
<p>Besides, •mumblemumblecastermartialdisparitymumblemumble• </blockquote><p>Use them as improvised weapons. You are still taking a -6/-6 even with the Two-Weapon Fighting feat [-4TWF, -2TS].Kobold Cleaver wrote:I'm not exactly sure how it's "so inherently abuseable". Many of the strategies people joke about would actually be terrible. Dual-wielding tower shields? So much for making attacks.
Besides, *mumblemumblecastermartialdisparitymumblemumble*
Use them as improvised weapons. You are still taking a -6/-6 even with the Two-Weapon Fighting feat [-4TWF, -2TS].EvilPaladin (alias of ArmouredMonk13)2014-04-27T03:25:25ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#202014-04-27T03:11:35Z2014-04-27T03:11:35Z<p>I'm not exactly sure how it's "so inherently abuseable". Many of the strategies people joke about would actually be terrible. Dual-wielding tower shields? So much for making attacks.</p>
<p>Besides, •mumblemumblecastermartialdisparitymumblemumble•</p>I'm not exactly sure how it's "so inherently abuseable". Many of the strategies people joke about would actually be terrible. Dual-wielding tower shields? So much for making attacks.
Besides, *mumblemumblecastermartialdisparitymumblemumble*Kobold Catgirl2014-04-27T03:11:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Nick Bolhuis (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#192014-04-27T02:59:06Z2014-04-27T02:59:06Z<p>I agree, I simply mean that two-shieldedness is so inherently abuseable that it's not surprising it has been left out of the rules</p>I agree, I simply mean that two-shieldedness is so inherently abuseable that it's not surprising it has been left out of the rulesNick Bolhuis (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16)2014-04-27T02:59:06ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#182014-04-27T02:22:24Z2014-04-27T02:22:24Z<p>That's not an argument against dual-wielding shields, that's an argument against excessive powergaming in general. There's a middle ground.</p>
<p>Let's make a 20-PB human fighter—we'll name her Scales. Scales is an ex-bodyguard for the daughter of a noble. When the noble's house was overrun by orcs, she and the daughter escaped but were separated. Scales is seen by most as a somewhat eccentric hiresword, but in reality she's just trying to track down her missing (and probably dead) charge.
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[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>I personally prefer to stick with ordinary bludgeoning shields, but we're going with spikes for now.</p>
<p>This is hardly an obscenely overpowered build. It's not obscenely underpowered, either. It's just, well, a build. Not the best, but Scales is mobile and fairly hard to hit. As for it being "silly", the character's fighting style is presented in-character as her just being kind of weird and protective.</p>
<p>The roleplay works, and the build functions. It <i>would</i>, however, be nice to give her the option of gaining benefit from both shields at once.</p>
<p>If you want to create a crazy "living shield" character, go ahead. But any class, feat, or weapon can be abused to make the game dull if the player himself is dull.</p>That's not an argument against dual-wielding shields, that's an argument against excessive powergaming in general. There's a middle ground.
Let's make a 20-PB human fighter—we'll name her Scales. Scales is an ex-bodyguard for the daughter of a noble. When the noble's house was overrun by orcs, she and the daughter escaped but were separated. Scales is seen by most as a somewhat eccentric hiresword, but in reality she's just trying to track down her missing (and probably dead) charge....Kobold Catgirl2014-04-27T02:22:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Nick Bolhuis (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#172014-04-27T01:57:21Z2014-04-27T01:57:21Z<p>What you really need to do here is look at whether or not this is practical in a game sense. The obvious intent here is to jack up your AC, which assumes that you're either gonna be the party tank, or that everyone is similarly armoured. Once you factor in the extra enhancement bonuses on this second shield, plus the additional AC tricks you're probably using like barkskin or expertise, and you've quickly got a guy the monsters just can't hit without a critical. At this point one of two things happens:</p>
<p>1. The DM pumps up the monsters so they once again have a chance at hitting you, and since they are so pumped up, those hits are gonna hurt a lot more. With an AC so much higher than the rest of your party any monster who has even a chance to hit you is pretty much guaranteed to hit your friends, which sucks for them because I bet they can't take a hit like you can.</p>
<p>2. The monsters can't hit you, and without the satisfaction of drawing your blood and the promise that they could kill you they are going to stop fighting you all together and move on to a softer/ juicier target. Now you're playing the tank the monsters are actively avoiding, and rather than being the one who's supposed to be tying them up, you become the awkward, heavily armoured goon clanging along behind a combat which has moved away from you, trying to get their attention. </p>
<p>This isn't really a question of if it's technically possible or physically practical. It's more a matter of what this does to the game and how it forces DM's to react to players that are too hard to hit. </p>
<p>Meat shields are only effective because of the meat involved, once you're just a shield hungry monsters lose interest</p>What you really need to do here is look at whether or not this is practical in a game sense. The obvious intent here is to jack up your AC, which assumes that you're either gonna be the party tank, or that everyone is similarly armoured. Once you factor in the extra enhancement bonuses on this second shield, plus the additional AC tricks you're probably using like barkskin or expertise, and you've quickly got a guy the monsters just can't hit without a critical. At this point one of two...Nick Bolhuis (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16)2014-04-27T01:57:21ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#162014-04-26T19:24:19Z2014-04-26T19:24:19Z<p>Then the only nitpick's the last bit. ;D</p>Then the only nitpick's the last bit. ;DKobold Catgirl2014-04-26T19:24:19ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#152014-04-26T19:23:23Z2014-04-26T19:23:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kobold Cleaver wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote> 4 armed alchemist with 3 tower shields,a Klar, and a shield extract. </blockquote><p>But to nitpick...
<p><li>Alchemists aren't proficient with klars.
<br />
<li>Alchemists aren't proficient with tower shields.
<br />
<li>Alchemists aren't proficient with any shields.
<br />
<li><i>Shield</i> wouldn't stack, as stated in the OP.</p>
<p>;) </blockquote><p>1 level of fighter then.Kobold Cleaver wrote:BigNorseWolf wrote: 4 armed alchemist with 3 tower shields,a Klar, and a shield extract.
But to nitpick... Alchemists aren't proficient with klars.
Alchemists aren't proficient with tower shields.
Alchemists aren't proficient with any shields.
Shield wouldn't stack, as stated in the OP.
;) 1 level of fighter then.BigNorseWolf2014-04-26T19:23:23ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#142014-04-26T19:20:48Z2014-04-26T19:20:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote> 4 armed alchemist with 3 tower shields,a Klar, and a shield extract. </blockquote><p>But to nitpick...
<p><li>Alchemists aren't proficient with klars.
<br />
<li>Alchemists aren't proficient with tower shields.
<br />
<li>Alchemists aren't proficient with any shields.
<br />
<li><i>Shield</i> wouldn't stack, as stated in the OP.</p>
<p>;)</p>BigNorseWolf wrote:4 armed alchemist with 3 tower shields,a Klar, and a shield extract.
But to nitpick... Alchemists aren't proficient with klars.
Alchemists aren't proficient with tower shields.
Alchemists aren't proficient with any shields.
Shield wouldn't stack, as stated in the OP.
;)Kobold Catgirl2014-04-26T19:20:48ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?Kobold Catgirlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#132014-04-26T19:12:26Z2014-04-26T19:12:26Z<p>Sounds like a great final boss.</p>Sounds like a great final boss.Kobold Catgirl2014-04-26T19:12:26ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#122014-04-26T19:15:11Z2014-04-26T19:10:32Z<p>4 armed alchemist with 3 tower shields,a Klar, and a shield extract.</p>4 armed alchemist with 3 tower shields,a Klar, and a shield extract.BigNorseWolf2014-04-26T19:10:32ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stacking Shield Bonuses - What Consequences?John Kretzerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qxs2?Stacking-Shield-Bonuses-What-Consequences#112014-04-26T19:02:56Z2014-04-26T19:02:56Z<p>While I personally think fighting with two shield to be silly...to each their own.</p>
<p>I would say the feat you came up with above is the way to go instead of just house ruling shield bonus stack. As I think learning to effectively fight that way would require more training which the feat would represent.</p>While I personally think fighting with two shield to be silly...to each their own.
I would say the feat you came up with above is the way to go instead of just house ruling shield bonus stack. As I think learning to effectively fight that way would require more training which the feat would represent.John Kretzer2014-04-26T19:02:56Z