inner sea gods - retraining


Pathfinder Society

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/5 **

This is, of course assuming that almost all of this book will become PFS legal (as I expect will happen). I know that none of it is right now.

I fully expect that the answer to this will be a resounding no, but on the off chance....

A great many of my characters would have bought deific obedience if it had been available and quite likely entered a prestige class. They're just too cool for a religious character to NOT take.

Retraining them is going to be exceedingly expensive, prohibitively so in some cases.

Is there any chance of getting some kind of cost break? Eg, training from levels of a cleric to an exalted only costs 2 prestige points per level.

Think of all the extra books you could sell:-) :-) (For the record, I'll be buying the book regardless)

Shadow Lodge

The retraining rules no longer allow retraining into prestige classes.

The Exchange 4/5 5/5

Update 10/16/13: New ruling: You cannot use retraining to replace a base class level with a prestige class level.

You can't change those base levels to prestige class levels for any amount of retraining costs.

Tangent about the Evangelist prestige class as a whole:
I'm very nervous about the impact this class could have on PFS. Great role-playing potential but also very appealing to the pure power gaming mindset. I think about a lot of the players I see at conventions and game days and I can see a time when I ask everyone "and what's your base class, since I know you are all evangelists." I'm sure John and Mike are taking a really hard look at that.

edit: Ninja'd

Shadow Lodge

Evangelist isn't that powerful atleast for spellcasters. Additionally anyone with full BAB will likely not want to lose their attack bonus. There are only really two classes I see fitting into an always evangelist, warpriest and monk.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/5 **

Belafon wrote:
Update 10/16/13: New ruling: You cannot use retraining to replace a base class level with a prestige class level.

You can't change those base levels to prestige class levels for any amount of retraining costs.

Well, darn. I'd forgotten that the rules lawyering munchkins had forced Paizo into that particular Nerf.

Oh well. I guess my characters can still do the obediences and just not get any mechanical benefit :-( (the feat itself is only rarely worth the benefit, especially for the less than 12th level characters of PFS).


pauljathome wrote:
Well, darn. I'd forgotten that the rules lawyering munchkins had forced Paizo into that particular Nerf.

Not sure if its a safe way to think, blaming 'rules lawyering munchkins' for 'forcing' paizo to make a nerf. Retraining has a lot of issues on its own.

And don't forget you can always go out of your way to make an evangelist now, or a sentinel, or an exalted. Whatever floats your boat. That's always been PFS's MO for new content anyway hasn't it?

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/5 **

MrSin wrote:

Not sure if its a safe way to think, blaming 'rules lawyering munchkins' for 'forcing' paizo to make a nerf. Retraining has a lot of issues on its own.

There are several things I don't like about retraining. But I really think calling the people who tried every bizarre interpretation to allow them to take only levels in prestige classes "rules lawyering munchkins" is a pretty fair assessment. Especially when they continued in the face of very clear statements by Paizo.


pauljathome wrote:
Belafon wrote:
Update 10/16/13: New ruling: You cannot use retraining to replace a base class level with a prestige class level.

You can't change those base levels to prestige class levels for any amount of retraining costs.

Well, darn. I'd forgotten that the rules lawyering munchkins had forced Paizo into that particular Nerf.

Oh well. I guess my characters can still do the obediences and just not get any mechanical benefit :-( (the feat itself is only rarely worth the benefit, especially for the less than 12th level characters of PFS).

If by "rules lawyering munchkins" you mean "people who just want a clear and easy to use rule," and by "Paizo" you mean "one developer who doesn't like people telling him that a rule needs help to make sense," then I agree with you.

Shadow Lodge 2/5

It was a real bummer for me that I couldn't train 4 cleric levels into Envoy of Balance so I could get Twinned Channel. =\

The rule seems kind of overkill.

5/5 5/55/55/5

[helium voice]I am not a munchkin! [/helium voice] Leaves down the yellow brick road in a huff

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