Point is.... a gaming forum probably isn't going to be filled to the brim with people who wave that banner.
Which I find really funny, because the first gaming community I was ever a part of - a NWN server community - was extremely conservative-leaning; politics wasn't openly discussed very often (see next post), but the majority of participants were in their late 30s or older [being 18 at the time I was one of the very youngest, with the exception of some people's grand/kids who played with them] and when certain subjects would come up the responses would be fairly typical of an older-generation, late-1990s/early-2000s-era conservatives' general mindsets and behaviors. (As an example, I compared an in-character witch-hunt once to the MacCarthy trials and got [gently] chided by several people for speaking negatively of the man.)
Being that it was my introduction to D&D as a whole and online gaming communities in general, I was very surprised when I came to Paizo and found the place very left-leaning in 2008/9 and continuing to move further so in the years since.
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I don't think I would mind as much if it worked both ways, and there was just a general hush on politics and social issues altogether
This is how every other forum I have ever been on besides Paizo has operated. Political and religious threads get locked or deleted almost immediately, as soon as they're spotted by a staff member with the power to do so.
The few exceptions to this have always had a forum specifically designated for those kinds of discussions, and all such conversations were to be relegated there and there alone, and hostilities caused by those discussions to be left at the door of that forum. There have been a great number of us who have been campaigning for years for Paizo to do this, and only within the last year have they actually seemed like they might be considering it, and they still haven't actually done it.
Paizo is the only place that seems to not only be uninterested in either of those solutions but to actively encourage the opposite.
... well that happened. O_o
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RE: Political threads
The Community Guidelines for our forums are agreed upon by a committee of moderators on our staff, as well as a review by the other departments/the executive team where necessary. The folks in our office actually have a pretty varied set of personal views, and disagreement does occur when we review and revise these. They aren't comprised of any single agenda or political viewpoint. If anyone feels truly isolated by these guidelines, or that our staff upholding them is an open criticism of their personal views, that's not a problem that we can easily solve. The unfortunate reality is that our community isn't everyone's taste, in spite of my team attempting daily to make it better and more welcoming to our ever growing base of users.
We've gone back and forth internally about limiting political threads, and at this time don't have anything to announce. Perhaps it's that we're more "hippy dippy, everyone get along" here, but putting explicit limitations on something that is very much a "gray area" may very well open up edge cases where people attempt to game those limitations, and increase the amount of intervention our staff has to perform (further increasing the idea that our staff is working by some sort of "nefarious agenda"). I also have concerns that it may hurt actually fruitful discussions that occur in certain areas.
Sorry to disrupt the thread, KC. If folks have further comments on this item, please post to Website Feedback :)
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When I saw Chris Lambertz had posted here last, I got all excited: We managed to get the Threadlock Refugees thread locked! How incredibly post-modernist and derivative!
Alas, no. She just moderated the thread. You're going to have to try harder KC...
;)
I'm here guys, just had to take care of some deity stuff, you woul... ow!... Who put that rake there, I could've killed something when I fell...
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If folks have further comments on this item, please post to Website Feedback
Removed a series of posts because of the above. Let's keep this thread what it is, thanks!
Egads! I'm a liberal version of Orthos!
I do vote tho, but I don't brag about it, or care if anyone else does, also I have been known to use the write in portion, occasionally to a fault (it only takes one vote, and bam, Captain Yesterday, Coroner's accountant).
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I actually prefer when people don't vote. Makes my vote stronger. I don't care if you agree with me - if you're the kind of person who has to be talked into voting, I don't want your opinion watering mine down.
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Fiscal conservatism is obviously more than welcome, as long as social is kept quiet, it appears.
The individual mentioned as "a conservative I like", (paraphrasing) almost never actually talks about it, so it's not so much that you like them despite that, but rather because they don't bring it up.
I don't think I would mind as much if it worked both ways, and there was just a general hush on politics and social issues altogether, rather than only social conservatism, but platforming for left winged social issues seems encouraged. Even though I agree with many of those politics it seems shifty to encourage such bias.
Still, this is a gaming site, not CNN.com. In the end it's not that deep. It's certainly not worth getting bitter with one another over.
Problem is, it's really, really hard to be a social conservative without slipping into bigotry. How is one supposed to argue against gay marriage, trans rights, equitable treatment of ethnic minorities, and the like without coming off as being bigoted against gays, trans people, or ethnic minorities? Since we have little tolerance for bigotry around these parts, that doesn't fly.
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When I saw Chris Lambertz had posted here last, I got all excited: We managed to get the Threadlock Refugees thread locked! How incredibly post-modernist and derivative!
Alas, no. She just moderated the thread. You're going to have to try harder KC...
;)
It's already been locked once! Cut it out, guys, this place is where I sleep!
Damn straight.
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Alright, who took KC's teddy bear.
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Problem is, it's really, really hard to be a social conservative without slipping into bigotry. How is one supposed to argue against gay marriage, trans rights, equitable treatment of ethnic minorities, and the like without coming off as being bigoted against gays, trans people, or ethnic minorities? Since we have little tolerance for bigotry around these parts, that doesn't fly.Fiscal conservatism is obviously more than welcome, as long as social is kept quiet, it appears.
The individual mentioned as "a conservative I like", (paraphrasing) almost never actually talks about it, so it's not so much that you like them despite that, but rather because they don't bring it up.
I don't think I would mind as much if it worked both ways, and there was just a general hush on politics and social issues altogether, rather than only social conservatism, but platforming for left winged social issues seems encouraged. Even though I agree with many of those politics it seems shifty to encourage such bias.
Still, this is a gaming site, not CNN.com. In the end it's not that deep. It's certainly not worth getting bitter with one another over.
There is more to social conservatism than that. There's also pro life policies, religious rights, gun freedom and freedom of expression (lefties come down harder than anyone on ignoring the first and second amendments to prevent offense at the expense of constitutional freedom - funny how freedoms only matter when people get offended.).
I'm not talking about freedom of expression HERE - this is a private website from a privately owned company - but in general that is something the right wing is about, as well as the other things I mentioned, none of which are about putting anyone down.
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Pro life policies and religious rights are closely intertwined with what Rosita's talking about, putting aside whether or not it's really bigotry.
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It is completely possible to be absolutely for gay marriage, trans rights, and equitable treatment of ethnic minorities while still being completely for the right of a private organization to make any decisions it wants in regard to any of those things, provided those decisions do not spill over to the public sector. Otherwise, if you're forcing them, in their own private institution to change their policies and ignore their own convictions, which really isn't freedom of religion or expression at all. It's just masking it and saying it's free as long as it is exactly the same as you believe.
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C'mon on guys, knock it off.
If KC has to go back to the streets, guess who's turning tricks so mister diva lizard can sleep in a dumpster.
Yup, this guy, I.. I can't go back man!...
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Wrong thread. And give me back my bear.
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Wrong thread - but if I had said something leftist you agreed with it wouldn't be. Thread can follow any train of thought that happens to pop up along the way, otherwise.
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No, I'm pretty sure he would still say "wrong thread"
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Seriously, folks. Take the political/social discussion to another thread, please.
EDIT: This is the third time I've had to request this on a single page. Again, we're not staunching the potential discussion, but this is not the thread for it. Posts continuing this line of discussion will be removed.
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but if I had said something leftist you agreed with it wouldn't be
If you really need to push that narrative, feel free to ignore my previous posts and believe that. But everyone can take this elsewhere.
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*Looks at water sprayer*
Huh. That was more effective than I was expecting.
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And there goes another paladin thread.
There was mention of Christians...and crime rates and...so many deleted posts. So many...
This probably best describes it:
man I could not ask as for two posts under mine to be more emblematic of this thread as a complete dumpster fire
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Mmm. I fear I threw some perfectly good gasoline on that one.
Protip:
When someone is making nasty sexist comments, even offhand ones, the appropriate response is not to inform them that you have flagged their post.
