How would multi-classing a Cleric and Warpriest work?


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

If a character takes 1 level or cleric and then the rest Warpriest, do some of their abilities meld:

Does the character get to leave spell slots empty Like a cleric? For all spell levels or only 1st level? And are the spell slots kept separate or they folded together? If he has 1 level in each class, does he get to cas 4 orisons and 1 spell for each class? How would that work?

Does the character get to use channel energy right away (1D6), and then add that 1D6 to the Warpriest 1D6 at 4th. And can he now use his channel energy 3+Ch per day and/or still have to use Fervor? Or is it kept separate, so he channels like a cleric sometimes and as a Warpriest other times?

He gains both the minor domain special abilities and then the blessing domain powers.


Grymore wrote:

If a character takes 1 level or cleric and then the rest Warpriest, do some of their abilities meld:

Does the character get to leave spell slots empty Like a cleric? For all spell levels or only 1st level?

Does the character get to use channel energy right away (1D6), and then add that 1D6 to the Warpriest 1D6 at 4th. And can he now use his channel energy 3+Ch per day and/or still have to use Fervor?

He gains both the minor domain special abilities and then the blessing domain powers.

You can't multiclass any of the advanced classes with their parent classes. So no Fighter or Cleric levels.


Illegally.

Warpriest is a hybrid class of fighter and cleric. Characters with levels in a hybrid classes cannot multiclass into either of the source classes. Same holds true of a character with source class levels multiclassing into a hybrid.

It says something about this at the start of the playtest document.

Sczarni

^ seconded.

^ thirded.

Scarab Sages

Thanks.

Scarab Sages

However, you could still get domains on a Warpriest by multiclassing Druid or Inquisitor.

Scarab Sages

What about with an Oracle? How would spells and channeling all work? There is some overlap.

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One class's abilities don't "meld" with another class's abilities unless they explicitly say they do.


Channeling doesn't stack between classes unless it explicitly says it does in the ability description. You've have two separate channeling pools, one from each class, each probably of a different potency.

As for spells, it'd be just like multiclassing a cleric and druid - you essentially keep your spell pools seperate, the class levels do not stack in terms of getting access to higher level spells. So you'd end up with a lot of low-level spell slots if you multiclassed an Oracle/Warpriest.


Grymore wrote:
What about with an Oracle? How would spells and channeling all work? There is some overlap.

You would get 1st level oracle casting and 1st level warpriest casting if you were a level 1 Oracle and a level 1 Warpriest.

Channeling from other sources creates a seperate pool of channels. I.E a 5th level Cleric and 1st level Oracle would have 3+Charisma Mod of 3d6 Channel Energy and 1+Charisma Mod of 1d6 Channel Energy.

It is precisely as clunky as it sounds.


Corvino wrote:
Channeling doesn't stack between classes unless it explicitly says it does in the ability description. You've have two separate channeling pools, one from each class, each probably of a different potency.

Your always free to houserule it another way though. Channel levels stacking probably wouldn't hurt, especially since since channel itself usually comes out as a little underwhelming.

Scarab Sages

Would the Warpriest be able to use his Fervor to quick cast an Oracle spell? Or is that kept separate as well?

Scarab Sages

Thanks for all the help. Lastly, when you multi-class, can you bounce between classes, 1 level at at time, or do you start in one class and once you stop you cannot proceed any further?


Grymore wrote:
Thanks for all the help. Lastly, when you multi-class, can you bounce between classes, 1 level at at time, or do you start in one class and once you stop you cannot proceed any further?

You can level and split it out among as many classes as you want. You can take a level in paladin, 2 in rogue, go back to paladin, take a dip into fighter, then 10 in oracle, and pop right back into rogue. Of course if you actually do that your going to end up looking pretty weird, and pathfinder usually works against multiclassing by rewarding you by staying in class. The only exception is alternative and hybrid classes, who don't allow you to level in one of the classes they came from(no rogue/ninja), but at the moment hybrids are still in the works so who knows what will happen to them.


Grymore wrote:
Would the Warpriest be able to use his Fervor to quick cast an Oracle spell? Or is that kept separate as well?

No, he can only fervor cast Warpriest spells which are from your Warpriest spell slots.

Grymore wrote:
Thanks for all the help. Lastly, when you multi-class, can you bounce between classes, 1 level at at time, or do you start in one class and once you stop you cannot proceed any further?

Yes you can bounce between 1 level at a time if you like.

Sczarni

You can take however many levels, at however many intervals, in however many classes as you want, barring any restrictions written into the class, like a Monk becoming non-lawful.

This is pretty much covered in the beginning of the Core Rulebook.

Scarab Sages

With the changes being made to the Warpriest class, I am looking to take the Holy Vindicator prestige class to keep him more of a beefy fighter.

The Holy Vindicator class states that it's level stack with the Cleric (Warpriest) levels to calculate Channeling capability. So I don't know if that affects Fervor, which to me seems to be a channeling capability--it heals/harms, and it's used to channeling. So what does everyone think? Do increases in level from the Holy Vindicator also increase a Warpriest's fervors.

Also, if I took the Extra Channel feat, how would that affect a Warpriest's ability to use channel?

Does Paizo eventually answers some of these questions?

Thanks.


Grymore wrote:

With the changes being made to the Warpriest class, I am looking to take the Holy Vindicator prestige class to keep him more of a beefy fighter.

The Holy Vindicator class states that it's level stack with the Cleric (Warpriest) levels to calculate Channeling capability. So I don't know if that affects Fervor, which to me seems to be a channeling capability--it heals/harms, and it's used to channeling. So what does everyone think? Do increases in level from the Holy Vindicator also increase a Warpriest's fervors.

Also, if I took the Extra Channel feat, how would that affect a Warpriest's ability to use channel?

Does Paizo eventually answers some of these questions?

Thanks.

currently...no, but it may count as channeling in the final product.


Casts Raise thread.

Now that there is no limitation on the Warpreist with any of its parent classes, how would warpriest and cleric work for spellcasting ?

edit, a lot of the original questions are still relavent. :)


Spells are kept separate.


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Mokshai wrote:

Casts Raise thread.

Now that there is no limitation on the Warpreist with any of its parent classes, how would warpriest and cleric work for spellcasting ?

edit, a lot of the original questions are still relavent. :)

The penalties are that you would have to keep seperate track of the two classes for spells and magic abilities, and your fellow players are now laughing at you for making such a foolish decision.

Scarab Sages

Spells are tracked separately, as are caster levels. A Warpriest 5/Cleric 1 would have a caster level of 5 in warpriest and 1 in cleric, and would have the spells per day of both classes.

Also, your domains and blessings must match. If you are a warpriest of Gorum and have the Strength and War blessings, if you multiclass cleric you must take the Strength and War domains.


Was thinking of Warpriest 1, Cleric X.

Was looking at that, for the profiecencies, but it really doesn't lose on the casting. :)

I understand that the domains, and blessings must match, but that is minor.

Might go as far as WP 2, Cleric X, but wondering if Fervour would extend to the cleric spells.

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Scavion wrote:
Grymore wrote:

If a character takes 1 level or cleric and then the rest Warpriest, do some of their abilities meld:

Does the character get to leave spell slots empty Like a cleric? For all spell levels or only 1st level?

Does the character get to use channel energy right away (1D6), and then add that 1D6 to the Warpriest 1D6 at 4th. And can he now use his channel energy 3+Ch per day and/or still have to use Fervor?

He gains both the minor domain special abilities and then the blessing domain powers.

You can't multiclass any of the advanced classes with their parent classes. So no Fighter or Cleric levels.

Incorrect.

Quote:
Parent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme. While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities

EDIT: My bad I didn't realized how old this thread was.


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Mokshai wrote:

Might go as far as WP 2, Cleric X, but wondering if Fervour would extend to the cleric spells.

It would not.

Warpriest 1/Cleric X is frankly a really bad setup. You'd be better off with something like Swashbuckler


kestral, just wondering why you would think that the cleric spells couldn't be fervored?
The warpriest uses the cleric list so I would think that this would be a moot point.

That and was thinking of that combination, due to no real loss of casting. Where multiclassing with a swash, I lose casting.

OilHorse, it was old, but it asked the same question that I was wondering, so I figured i should just raise thread, instead of re-asking the same question.

Scarab Sages

I would imagine that cleric spells couldn't be fervored because the Fervor ability states:

ACG said wrote:

As a swift action, a warpriest can expend one use of this

ability to cast any one warpriest spell he has prepared.

Your cleric spells are not warpriest spells.

Edit: And your cleric and warpriest spells wouldn't stack as far as my understanding goes.
So, for example, ignoring wisdom modifier spells, a Warpriest 1/Cleric 4 would have 1 Lvl1 Warpriest spell, plus the spells of a lvl 4 cleric, but would lose the level 3 spells that a 5th level cleric would have.
Slower spellcasting gain seems like a real loss to me.


Mokshai wrote:

Was thinking of Warpriest 1, Cleric X.

Was looking at that, for the profiecencies, but it really doesn't lose on the casting. :)

I understand that the domains, and blessings must match, but that is minor.

Might go as far as WP 2, Cleric X, but wondering if Fervour would extend to the cleric spells.

If you want proficiency go with a martial class. Fighter (a feat), paladin (charisma to attack and AC 1/day), cavalier(gendarme or one that trades out mount), guntank gunslinger or the heavy armor barbarians. All of those are a better martial dip than a warpriest because of +1 bab and other goodies. A warpriest would get you a few uses of blessings.


And if you really want a couple blessings a day, there's a feat for that.


niconorsk, the only thing that I can think of that makes that odd, is that there is not specific warpriest spell list. They follow the cleric spell list.

Zanthrax, the blessings were not the issue, I was just wondering how the spells would stack.

So I think what I am asking, would a cleric / warpriest have restricted casting like a multiclass fighter cleric, even though a warpriest uses the same casting abilities as a cleric ?


yes, you'd have two separate casting pools. Just like if you had cleric and sorcerer, or wizard and sorcerer.

Grand Lodge

The moral of the story is that when full spellcasters multi-class they usually become weaker.


Fair enough, but it just seems odd, when both use the same spell list, and both get their spells from the same source.

It was due to that, I figured they should stack.

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