Trolling the GM


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Hi there!

In a few weeks I'll be playing a new session with a fresh GM. This GM is one of our former players and will now be replacing the previous GM.

This GM was notorious for trolling the GM and his team mates. I feel like it's time for payback. Now I know that most of you would not recommend trolling with the GM but I really don't mind being the butt of his rage.

So my question for you guys is, what do you recommend as the most annoying class possible. I prefer if the class would be annoying from the get-go and not around level 5 or so. Mind you, I only plan on annoying the GM and not my team mates.

Please give me all the details you can spare. Thanks for the help in advance! I really appreciate it :).

Liberty's Edge

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Perhaps, if you just want to cause trouble and chaos, you might consider not playing until you are in a better mood. Actions of this kind are disruptive and tend to spoil other players fun. If you have had previous disagreements with a potential DM, please settle these peacefully out of game.


well if you change your mind about other players you can always choose a sorcerer or wizard and just lob AoE after AoE into their midst.. some GMs get mad about FF... you can also just run around doing the exact opposite of what he would expect you to do...

Scarab Sages

Dump 18 (or more if possible) into strength for a fighter or cleric of gorum... use greatsword as primary weapon... 2d6 + (1 and a half str) for damage for starters.. REALLY good on a critical

Summoner ...max out on attacks... Summom Monster... go through all the monsters and check which ones get more than one attack in a full attack action, i've already done this and have printed out the monstes so far up to SM lvl 4 to speed up play..(eagle for starters, matey!)

any trait or feat which adds combat or initiative bonus Exiled gives a +2 to intiative... reall good for fighter or ranger i'd say :)

any cleric buff..work with the fighter and rogue using Bless... it's ONLY +1 to hit but at lvl one ALL allies get the bonus

IF... you know these tricks already i apologise

Search the class optimiaztion sticky thread too... have fun and enjoy ;)

Scarab Sages

Martin Kauffman 530 wrote:
Perhaps, if you just want to cause trouble and chaos, you might consider not playing until you are in a better mood. Actions of this kind are disruptive and tend to spoil other players fun. If you have had previous disagreements with a potential DM, please settle these peacefully out of game.

You replied as I was typing :(

You have a point.... our GM stated that he wanted us to enjoy the AP and survive... LOL... some chance....


Trolling someone because they trolled someone is the internet, and that's the last thing you want to bring into a pathfinder game. I would reccomend just playing for the fun of it, and giving him the benefit of the doubt. Being a DM is really hard work for those of us that enjoy making the maps and going through the trouble of printing off stat sheets. If they're taking it to epic dm level they've even got charts and whatnot for your cash flow, and rubbing dirt in that is beyond disrespectful.

We don't get kicks out of dealing with people who have to do 5% of the work we do to have fun. I would heavily reconsider.


Playing optimized characters is "trolling the DM" now, I see.


maybe take a look to the Synthethist http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?184592-3-P-The-Summoner-s-Han dbook-A-Guide-to-the-Pathfinder-Summoner


Kryzbyn wrote:
Playing optimized characters is "trolling the DM" now, I see.

In a Low-op setting, it could very well be.


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Make a bi-polar synthesist with 2 personalities. Dominate half of the combats and when he ramps the difficulty switch to cowardly and burrow to safety.


I find completely unoptimized character more annoying. I don't mean through lack of skill or experience. I mean idiots who think something is totally awesome but isn't or those who play things new classes like the ones they're used to. Kinda like a player who plays blaster Sorcs but wants to try a wizard and so plays a blaster wizard who bars conjuration and abjuration. A barbarian player who builds a cleric to just hit things without buffing the party. A druid player who makes a witch who dumps all her feats and spells into their familiar and uses them to do all their fighting. If you're optimized, people can still appreciate that the combats are won and maybe still shine in RP. A load who drags the party down like a millstone will make it difficult for everyone and might lead to the party losing or worse.

If you want to annoy everyone, I see no better race than the Gnome and what classes they are optimized for. Gnomes aren't inherently bad (despite myself, I ended up really liking the gnome iconics) but the race lends itself far too well to some very annoying character types. There's a reason why the old D&D cartoon show used a gnome to represent the GM the group all hated with a fiery passion. The "gnomish" character I hate most is the "prankster." Fluff and racial bonuses to illusion lead to a prankster character that enjoys messing around with things, interrupting serious RP, telling bad jokes (I mean like actually terrible not The Room/Plan 9 From Outer Space enjoyably bad), and being a load in combat. Be a gnomish wizard/sorc who specializes in illusion and play like a very unfunny Mr. Welch and, sure enough, everyone at the table will hate you. To tie into the above paragraph make sure you're Illusion skills suck or target the wrong people i.e. the enemy wizard instead of her fighter bodyguard.


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Be a bard with great knowledge stats.
Every time you see a building, person, monster, or plant, ask to roll the appropriate knowledge roll.


Honestly be the bigger man, don't f~@@ over his game just cause you have a grudge, or only do it once just to make a point, (and make sure that he gets the point, be explicit).

You could just try making a super optimized character as others have recommended, however I would recommend derailing the game. If you want to go all out kill every npc you can reasonably get away with before they get a chance to say much, pretend to be someone like a paladin or something and convince the party that you can tell if someone is guilty of crimes magically and that each time you do this you are actually carrying out justice. Remember you don't need to convince your friends of this, just their characters.

If you do this for more than a couple sessions however you are an a+*$!~#.


Before I think of contributing to this id like at least 2-3 examples of his "trolling". Also have you talked to the other players? Do they concur he's a troll or is it just you thinking this? Are they ok with this idea you have? It could really annoy them as well if they see you f***ing with him and the game gets bogged down to you 2 arguing and he takes it out on everyone with a "rock falls everyone dies".

If he's a notorious asshat player he's likely not a cool laid back DM and will probably throw fits and arbitrary ego trip moves all over the game.


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Craft basket weaving, and profession baking. You need to always be cooking treats and having a freshly made basket to put them in. In combat make baskets that are huge to block off enemies for terrain issues and offer cover for yourself. Take your baskets and use throw anything or catch off guard improvised weapon feats. Shower their corpses with sugary goodness, and use quick draw to throw ninja star shaped sugar cookies.

The bakery is open, and everyone is in for a treat.


Gm "roll initiative"

You "Time to make the donuts"

The Exchange

TrollingJoker wrote:
...I feel like it's time for payback... most of you would not recommend trolling with the GM... Mind you, I only plan on annoying the GM and not my team mates...

The two objectives are in direct conflict. You're more likely to annoy the people who thought they finally got rid of the disruptive element (by shoving him behind the GM's screen). Sorry, not trying to be judgmental - just forewarning you.


Kryzbyn wrote:
Playing optimized characters is "trolling the DM" now, I see.

No, it just makes it possibly more effective while still being fun for the troll. You could just make some incompetent character to troll, but personally I wouldn't really have fun that way, and what's the point if you don' t have fun?


Make a goblin that acts like a goblin?

Kind of a comedy thing to a degree...but could also be highly annoying to the GM in certain situations (fire, reading, dogs...etc).

Grand Lodge

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Rapanuii wrote:

Craft basket weaving, and profession baking. You need to always be cooking treats and having a freshly made basket to put them in. In combat make baskets that are huge to block off enemies for terrain issues and offer cover for yourself. Take your baskets and use throw anything or catch off guard improvised weapon feats. Shower their corpses with sugary goodness, and use quick draw to throw ninja star shaped sugar cookies.

The bakery is open, and everyone is in for a treat.

This summers blockbuster is sure to pump your adrenaline and astound you, because he is...

"THE GINGERBREAD MAN"


Havelockvet wrote:
Rapanuii wrote:

Craft basket weaving, and profession baking. You need to always be cooking treats and having a freshly made basket to put them in. In combat make baskets that are huge to block off enemies for terrain issues and offer cover for yourself. Take your baskets and use throw anything or catch off guard improvised weapon feats. Shower their corpses with sugary goodness, and use quick draw to throw ninja star shaped sugar cookies.

The bakery is open, and everyone is in for a treat.

This summers blockbuster is sure to pump your adrenaline and astound you, because he is...

"THE GINGERBREAD MAN"

This kind of makes me want to roll a cleric with the Construct domain and craft (sculpture) and profession (baker). Animate them baked goods.


GreyWolfLord wrote:

Make a goblin that acts like a goblin?

Kind of a comedy thing to a degree...but could also be highly annoying to the GM in certain situations (fire, reading, dogs...etc).

It dies in a fiery explosion in the first session?

Sovereign Court

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I suspect you're trolling us. Well done since most of the people here fell for it. Advice applies, if you're really upset with the DM in question either gracefully bow out of the campaign or deal with it.

Dragging other people's fun through the mud just to prove your point to the guy is juvenile. If you're really that upset with the guy just slash his tires or something. Don't make it into a show.

My recommendation is just make an optimized character, but don't be a douchebag about it.

That said feeding the troll...

Monk: Play a straight zen archer. Go Dwarf. Take Steel Soul. Look up the character "One" for some ideas.

Barbarian: Invulnerable Rager. 18 STR. If he allows it play Orc and get to 22 base strength. 26 while raging. Take power attack and raging vitality. Laugh when you do minimum 20 something damage per round at level 1.

This one's obvious, you trivialize every encounter.

Sorcerer: This is where the golden cheese is. Play Human. Take Varisian Tattoo, Spell Focus (evocation) and Spell Specialization. Take Cross-blooded variant. Take traits to boost CL for one spell like shocking grasp or burning hands. Combine Orc and Draconic bloodlines. Result? Caster level 6 at level 1. Burning Hands is dealing 5d5+10 damage at level 1. Even on a save you're killing most CR stuff in one shot.

Out of combat, harass NPCs with high bluff or sleep spells. Use prestidigitation to con the layfolk out of their gold.

Witch: Play a slumber hex witch with high INT and spell specialization. Enough said. Pump your DC and watch the DM cry.

Bard: Get a mask of Stony Demeanor. Pump Bluff really high. Take human and the diplomacy related variant trait. Take Skill Focus bluff and do the Bard street conman variant. Use Bluff like diplomacy to change hostile creatures to indifferent or friendly. Con them out of their loot. Requires a DM that plays RAW, often won't work.

I could go on, but basically just absolutely min-max your character. If possible make a CN or LE character. Harass other PCs tacitly. Being a Rogue can work too depending how your DM runs Stealth rules.


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My answer: Don't.

It's one thing to frustrate (a little) the GM by doing things that keep him on his toes and force him to challenge your group. I've been on both ends of this, and it's exhilarating.

But if you're just trying to annoy your GM, then don't do it. You're going to ruin the game both for the GM and for your fellow players.


If the others are on board, go to this thread: LINK and have at least two people build the absolute worst characters imaginable so that EVERY fight the party has to waste a lot of resources helping them and then run for their lives. Have everyone get pissed at the DM and when he tells you its because you built the PCs stupidly tell him he's being a dick and not supporting your "concepts" and is purposefully trying to kill you all with too hard of enemies and is playing favorites. Make sure to do this with seriousface and make sure to have frequent breaks in the action going over an over-elaborate backstory like Wheaton did during their Dragon Age game i.e. "DM: You go to the bread maker and he asks how he can help you" "You know guys this reminds me of that time when I was 12 and there was a bread maker just like this.." "But I didn't even describe the..." "..And man was he a hoot, so one day me and the breadmaker..."

Make him have to repeat his dice rolls as well as if you are being serious. Like every 2-3 times say "Wait, you said 14, right?" or "Did you say 14 or 43?" when it makes absolutely no sense.


Martin Kauffman 530 wrote:
Perhaps, if you just want to cause trouble and chaos, you might consider not playing until you are in a better mood. Actions of this kind are disruptive and tend to spoil other players fun. If you have had previous disagreements with a potential DM, please settle these peacefully out of game.

Oh no far from it. The other players and I agreed on the fact that we should troll the GM a bit. I wouldn't go as far as to spoil it for others.

Hogeyhead wrote:

Honestly be the bigger man, don't f*## over his game just cause you have a grudge, or only do it once just to make a point, (and make sure that he gets the point, be explicit).

You could just try making a super optimized character as others have recommended, however I would recommend derailing the game. If you want to go all out kill every npc you can reasonably get away with before they get a chance to say much, pretend to be someone like a paladin or something and convince the party that you can tell if someone is guilty of crimes magically and that each time you do this you are actually carrying out justice. Remember you don't need to convince your friends of this, just their characters.

If you do this for more than a couple sessions however you are an a%@*+%%.

No need for language :p. Like I said, I'm not planning on spoiling any fun at all. I just want to annoy him at some small moments where my class would entirely prevent him from screwing us over royally.

Rapanuii wrote:

Gm "roll initiative"

You "Time to make the donuts"

Though I wonder if it'll be worth it, it does sound like something funny to do just once :).

GreyWolfLord wrote:

Make a goblin that acts like a goblin?

Kind of a comedy thing to a degree...but could also be highly annoying to the GM in certain situations (fire, reading, dogs...etc).

Not exactly a class thing like I was hoping for but it could work. This mildly trolling is exactly what I am looking for.

taldanrebel2187 wrote:

I suspect you're trolling us. Well done since most of the people here fell for it. Advice applies, if you're really upset with the DM in question either gracefully bow out of the campaign or deal with it.

Dragging other people's fun through the mud just to prove your point to the guy is juvenile. If you're really that upset with the guy just slash his tires or something. Don't make it into a show.

My recommendation is just make an optimized character, but don't be a douchebag about it.

That said feeding the troll...

Monk: Play a straight zen archer. Go Dwarf. Take Steel Soul. Look up the character "One" for some ideas.

Barbarian: Invulnerable Rager. 18 STR. If he allows it play Orc and get to 22 base strength. 26 while raging. Take power attack and raging vitality. Laugh when you do minimum 20 something damage per round at level 1.

This one's obvious, you trivialize every encounter.

Sorcerer: This is where the golden cheese is. Play Human. Take Varisian Tattoo, Spell Focus (evocation) and Spell Specialization. Take Cross-blooded variant. Take traits to boost CL for one spell like shocking grasp or burning hands. Combine Orc and Draconic bloodlines. Result? Caster level 6 at level 1. Burning Hands is dealing 5d5+10 damage at level 1. Even on a save you're killing most CR stuff in one shot.

Out of combat, harass NPCs with high bluff or sleep spells. Use prestidigitation to con the layfolk out of their gold.

Witch: Play a slumber hex witch with high INT and spell specialization. Enough said. Pump your DC and watch the DM cry.

Bard: Get a mask of Stony Demeanor. Pump Bluff really high. Take human and the diplomacy related variant trait. Take Skill Focus bluff and do the Bard street conman variant. Use Bluff like diplomacy to change hostile creatures to indifferent or friendly. Con them out of their loot. Requires a DM that plays RAW, often won't work.

I could go on, but basically just absolutely min-max your character. If possible make a CN or LE character. Harass other...

Actually it wasn't a joke but I think I might have forgot to mention that I'm not angry or displeased whatsoever. I love playing with him and plenty of times when he trolled I loved it. He often though didn't consider the full consequences and the entire group felt like he should get a little taste of his own medicine though just a little bit. I wouldn't go as far as to be an LE character and spoil it for the others. All I want is the GM to go ARGH once in a while when I do something he really doesn't like as a GM. The classes you mentioned sound good and I might look into them a bit more :)

pennywit wrote:

My answer: Don't.

It's one thing to frustrate (a little) the GM by doing things that keep him on his toes and force him to challenge your group. I've been on both ends of this, and it's exhilarating.

But if you're just trying to annoy your GM, then don't do it. You're going to ruin the game both for the GM and for your fellow players.

It's mainly as you said. I want to frustrate him a little. Come to think of it, annoy might be the wrong word here :P


MattR1986 wrote:

If the others are on board, go to this thread: LINK and have at least two people build the absolute worst characters imaginable so that EVERY fight the party has to waste a lot of resources helping them and then run for their lives. Have everyone get pissed at the DM and when he tells you its because you built the PCs stupidly tell him he's being a dick and not supporting your "concepts" and is purposefully trying to kill you all with too hard of enemies and is playing favorites. Make sure to do this with seriousface and make sure to have frequent breaks in the action going over an over-elaborate backstory like Wheaton did during their Dragon Age game i.e. "DM: You go to the bread maker and he asks how he can help you" "You know guys this reminds me of that time when I was 12 and there was a bread maker just like this.." "But I didn't even describe the..." "..And man was he a hoot, so one day me and the breadmaker..."

Make him have to repeat his dice rolls as well as if you are being serious. Like every 2-3 times say "Wait, you said 14, right?" or "Did you say 14 or 43?" when it makes absolutely no sense.

No that would be going to far. I don't want to create a character solely for the purpose of being his and everyone's bane. I only want to tease him at some moments. That is all :). A friendly tease if you will.


I wouldn't be that concerned about it. When you're done screwing with him let the party know and have them stop helping your PC. He'll die very quickly and you can make a real character after that.

Lantern Lodge

So, perhaps instead of the word "troll", which often has very negative connotations on the internet, you should use the phrase "friendly mess withs".

Way I see it, there's two ways: First, playing a broken class. The Second friendly jest is to use roleplaying. Does your DM know how to get your character motivated to go on a quest? True neutral characters, or characters who simply don't care, can be great in this case.

Broken classes are broken, but if you play a broken class then your DM will adjust for that. Instead, play a broken class but don't use it to it's full potential. Then, when he's spends an hour or two preparing an encounter, dominate it in one round :). Or just let your true power shine out every now and then. Purposely miss a lot (aka fake your dice rolls for a lower amount... It's not cheating if it hurts you right?)


FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:
Broken classes are broken, but if you play a broken class then your DM will adjust for that. Instead, play a broken class but don't use it to it's full potential. Then, when he's spends an hour or two preparing an encounter, dominate it in one round :)

Ooo, now that's... that's really, really, truly evil. Almost on par with Throw Anything and the cookie ninja stars. :D

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Just spend most of the evening during the game showing youtube videos to the other players and texting with a loud annoying "text received" sound. Those two things alone are some of the most annoying, game disrupting things I know of....

No character mods necessary :)

Liberty's Edge

TrollingJoker wrote:

The other players and I agreed on the fact that we should troll the GM a bit. I wouldn't go as far as to spoil it for others.

Like I said, I'm not planning on spoiling any fun at all. I just want to annoy him at some small moments where my class would entirely prevent him from screwing us over royally.

Yeah, troll the heck out of him. GMs don't count as players, so you can spoil his enjoyment of the game as much as you want. As long as you aren't spoiling any fun for other players, it's all good. Trolls gots to be trolls after all, yo.

Maybe he did spend hours and hours preparing for a game. So what. That's his problem that he wasted all that time.


Play a gnome... that's all I got, I've never seen one but a tiny thing with anime style hair, maybe an inquisitor to any of the gods of trickery (let's say Nivi Rhombodazzle and get offended when people don't pronounce it), sounds a lot like a troll.

"Nobody expects the Gnomish Inquisition!"


The single best way to troll a GM is to build a summoner who's built just slightly wrong.

A little mistake here or there, don't be afraid to misinterpret things in ways that reduce your power as well as ones that raise it.

Your GM will be pulling his hair out by the time he finishes the 4th or 5th sheet audit.


probably the best way to annoy your DM is: ask questions, to which he was not prepared...
do action, to which he was not prepared


Spend ten minutes devising your action, and then just say, "F++! it, I strike with my dagger."


@Jaelithe : i think it's not a good idea, because that will slow party's play...


Play a paladin. Play it to the hilt. Do not compromise your morals, ever. Pick fights with powerful NPCs you can't defeat, because it is the right thing to do. Never worry about getting killed. Give everyone second chances. Max out sense motive. Be a genuinely nice person. Don't accept rewards. Give treasures the party finds back to their rightful owners whenever possible. Lecture the other players on morality when they are being chaotic. Guilt trip everyone. Hold yourself to a higher standard. Pray constantly in public and in private. Your GM will either love you or hate you but you should have fun either way.


You can tell what people think of paladins by how they describe playing one "to the hilt." :)


The Worst Of The Plagues wrote:
@Jaelithe : i think it's not a good idea, because that will slow party's play...

If the other players are in on it, and you dither in such a way as to amuse everyone but the DM, it'll work like a charm. ;)


redcelt32 wrote:
Just spend most of the evening during the game showing youtube videos to the other players and texting with a loud annoying "text received" sound. Those two things alone are some of the most annoying, game disrupting things I know of....

ARRGGG! How do you know our fourth, occasionally missing, player?!

On the goblin and ninja bread man... They might be too much comedy gold to annoy the storyteller. Of course, if you disrupt the game with several minutes of shared, genuine laughter, you may fail at your intended goal but still win very hard.


Well, if you're going to insist on doing this, I can think of one way to frustrate your GM AND help your fellow players: Maximize your Perception skill. Make sure it's a class skill, play a half-elf (keen sense), take Skill Focus (Perception), Pick up the Sharp-Eyed and Sharp Senses feat, and when you've got the gold, invest in Eyes of the Eagle. At first level, you're looking at a +11 Perception Bonus. If there are any other ways to crank up your Perception skill, do it. As an added bonus: When the GM asks your group to roll for Perception checks, make sure you're the last one who rolls. That makes it more fun.


Why not look to have a palate cleansing one shot, perhaps set in the spirit of Paranoia. You could role play the AI as having a lot of the same personality defects as the previous GM. Done well, I think he might appreciate the roast and it would be a blast.

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