Half-Elves and Favored Class Bonuses


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So, getting away from the recent questions about half-elves and their FCB's, I was looking at their Multitalented ability. Here it is for reference.

Multitalented:
Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes.

So, my question is if the +1 hit/skill point is in addition to the one they normal gain from level up in a favored class? If not, should the language have been cleared up to state that, and add in the alternat FCB's they can choose from when the Advanced Race Guide came out?


It is just redundant language. The +1 is the same regular bonus you get when adding a level of your favored class.

Grand Lodge

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There's nothing ambivalent about the ability.

It just means you get to choose two classes to get favored bonuses instead of one. If you aren't multi-classing, the ability has no effect.


And that's one way, and honestly most likely the RAI way. RAW though, if the half-elf barbarian and rogue, the whenever he takes a level in either he could get: 2 hit points, 2 skills points, or one of them and the alternate favored class bonus.


Azten wrote:
And that's one way, and honestly most likely the RAI way. RAW though, if the half-elf barbarian and rogue, the whenever he takes a level in either he could get: 2 hit points, 2 skills points, or one of them and the alternate favored class bonus.

Nope.

You're just being obstinate. I've been a professional editor for 25 years (in English) and the language is unambiguous.

How do you get +1 for your rogue class when you take a level in your ranger class? You do not get one. You did not take a level in rogue as well as ranger; you took ONE level of Ranger so you get the +1 one time. Next level, you take a level of Rogue, explain to me how you get the +1 for taking the ranger level when you took one level of rogue.

Have no idea why you're trying to twist this to your personal advantage other than ego or English isn't your first language.

This is the only place where a character can have two favored classes (without feat). You declare it at character generation (permanently). Just because you have two favored classes does not mean you get the +1 (skill/hp) more than once PER LEVEL. There is no implication of this whatever.


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Azten, I will have to admit that I do not see how you could read the RAW to mean that you get either 2 points to skills or hit points for a single level in one of your favored classes.

As has been mentioned, every time you take a level you may chose ONE benefit from the list of benefits that pertain to that class and your race. It really is that simple.


heliodorus04 wrote:

Nope.

You're just being obstinate. I've been a professional editor for 25 years (in English) and the language is unambiguous.

How do you get +1 for your rogue class when you take a level in your ranger class? You do not get one. You did not take a level in rogue as well as ranger; you took ONE level of Ranger so you get the +1 one time. Next level, you take a level of Rogue, explain to me how you get the +1 for taking the ranger level when you took one level of rogue.

Have no idea why you're trying to twist this to your personal advantage other than ego or English isn't your first language.

This is the only place where a character can have two favored classes (without feat). You declare it at character generation (permanently). Just because you have two favored classes does not mean you get the +1 (skill/hp) more than once PER LEVEL. There is no implication of this whatever.

It's not about ego, and English is my first language. This is an honest question that I've admitted in my first post is not likely RAI.

Perhaps I'm not explaining it well.

I know normally you only get one +1 or other bonus. It's like that for Dwarves, Gnomes, Vanaras, etc. That's from just leveling up.

But half-elves have a racial feature that adds not only a second favored class, but seems to add an additional +1 hit or skill point on top of that.

Lv1: Rogue and Ranger are picked.
First level is Rogue, so you get the normal favored class bonus and, as a racial feature, an extra +1 hit point it one extra skill point.

Why not just say they get two favored classes and not anything more?


Look, dude, I'm not going to entertain you on this.
Sit at my table with a character with +2 hit points per level, and I'll throw you out for being a cheater.

The fact that you're STILL being obstinate about a simple sentence says you're probably not the kind of player I would enjoy being with anyway. I can't help you because you've decided to be irrational and only accept an answer that agrees with you.

Good luck.

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Azten wrote:
Why not just say they get two favored classes and not anything more?

Because it's pretty common for the rules to remind you of how X works when describing a rule that interacts with X.


heliodorus04 wrote:

Look, dude, I'm not going to entertain you on this.

Sit at my table with a character with +2 hit points per level, and I'll throw you out for being a cheater.

The fact that you're STILL being obstinate about a simple sentence says you're probably not the kind of player I would enjoy being with anyway. I can't help you because you've decided to be irrational and only accept an answer that agrees with you.

Good luck.

You must hate how FCB's work with Toughness. ;)

ob·sti·nate
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adjective
1.
stubbornly refusing to change one's opinion or chosen course of action, despite attempts to persuade one to do so.

Azten wrote:
So, my question is if the +1 hit/skill point is in addition to the one they normal gain from level up in a favored class? If not, should the language have been cleared up to state that, and add in the alternat FCB's they can choose from when the Advanced Race Guide came out?

My questions was if it was in addition(I explained how it could be and you misread it) and if the language should be cleared up. Jiggy has a better explanation than you did.


Azten wrote:

You must hate how FCB's work with Toughness. ;)

ob·sti·nate
ˈäbstənit/
adjective
1.
stubbornly refusing to change one's opinion or chosen course of action, despite attempts to persuade one to do so.

nit·pick [nit-pik] Show IPA

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1.
to be excessively concerned with or critical of inconsequential details.


Touché.

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