Wiggz |
Even though I don't have the rule in front of me, I know that its presumed that anytime rules say 'your allies', its meant to include you unless it specifically rules you out. With that understanding, is there any reason to think that the trait Community Minded wouldn't apply to you?
Community-Minded: Any morale bonuses you confer upon your allies through your own abilities or spells last 2 additional rounds.
I'm asking because I see some potential breakage and I want to make sure I'm interpreting it right.
Claxon |
I don't know that I would call it game breaking. Potent buffs can last two rounds longer than normal. It's good, but not alarmingly so.
It could shine however, if you have a bard with lingering performance and everyone took the trait. Make the bard's performances last 5 rounds for every 1 he performed.
Imbicatus |
I don't know that I would call it game breaking. Potent buffs can last two rounds longer than normal. It's good, but not alarmingly so.
It could shine however, if you have a bard with lingering performance and everyone took the trait. Make the bard's performances last 5 rounds for every 1 he performed.
Everyone wouldn't need to take the trait, just the bard. If you a giving a morale bonus to allies, it lasts two rounds longer than normal.
Claxon |
Claxon wrote:Everyone wouldn't need to take the trait, just the bard. If you a giving a morale bonus to allies, it lasts two rounds longer than normal.I don't know that I would call it game breaking. Potent buffs can last two rounds longer than normal. It's good, but not alarmingly so.
It could shine however, if you have a bard with lingering performance and everyone took the trait. Make the bard's performances last 5 rounds for every 1 he performed.
Yeah, my bad. Didn't think it all the way through.
I think the big issue would be Barbarians getting extra rage from the trait if you abuse allies to include you. It's the same thing as twfing with a kukri and a pick to yo butterfly sting x4 crits for yourself.
Now see, that brings up an interesting point. Certainly, the bonuses would continue from rage, but wouldn't you still take fatigue from dropping rage? Which would some nullify the bonuses.
Imbicatus |
Imbicatus wrote:I think the big issue would be Barbarians getting extra rage from the trait if you abuse allies to include you. It's the same thing as twfing with a kukri and a pick to yo butterfly sting x4 crits for yourself.Now see, that brings up an interesting point. Certainly, the bonuses would continue from rage, but wouldn't you still take fatigue from dropping rage? Which would some nullify the bonuses.
Yeah, but there are lots of ways to get immunity to fatigue, and Rage-cycling is already very powerful.
Wiggz |
Imbicatus wrote:Claxon wrote:Everyone wouldn't need to take the trait, just the bard. If you a giving a morale bonus to allies, it lasts two rounds longer than normal.I don't know that I would call it game breaking. Potent buffs can last two rounds longer than normal. It's good, but not alarmingly so.
It could shine however, if you have a bard with lingering performance and everyone took the trait. Make the bard's performances last 5 rounds for every 1 he performed.
Yeah, my bad. Didn't think it all the way through.
Imbicatus wrote:I think the big issue would be Barbarians getting extra rage from the trait if you abuse allies to include you. It's the same thing as twfing with a kukri and a pick to yo butterfly sting x4 crits for yourself.Now see, that brings up an interesting point. Certainly, the bonuses would continue from rage, but wouldn't you still take fatigue from dropping rage? Which would some nullify the bonuses.
The Rage thing occurred to me, but the two places I'm seeing it used right now is allowing Touch of Rage from the Orcish bloodline to be self-applied or to last triple the time when applied to others, and the Aura of Heroism from the Heroism Domain getting extended pretty much indefinitely. Both are incredibly potent uses gained from this trait.
Also, Bardic Inspire Courage bonuses are competence, not morale. Good Hope would benefit though.