Advice for a gestalt cleric / barbarian


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I am in need of some advice for creating a gestalt barbarian/cleric for an upcoming game. The concept behind the character is a religious fanatic who throws herself into the fray, relying on her god to protect her while she deals out steely judgement. Modus operandi would be the buff before combat, then use channel energy/heals afterwards.

I chose this combo because I wanted rage powers like invulnerable rager and I also wanted access to the full list of cleric spells. Battle oracle was an option, and still may be, but I don't need lots of spells per day with this character concept, as the cleric class is there to support the barbarian. If someone can convince me otherwise, I could go back to oracle of battle.

We are using 20 point buy, human character, 5th level. Some non-standard equipment buys, so I'm not too concerned about that right now, but if you know of a cheap "must-have" piece of gear under 2000, let me know.


I'd personally look into Oracle over Cleric. Better stat usage and some interesting tactical/mechanical possibilities depending on which Mystery you choose.

Or possibly Inquisitor. I just don't love Clerics all that much, I guess. Though I guess if you're specifically looking for Channel, Cleric is better than all but an Oracle of Life.


Oracle would synergize better.

You loose channel but since you intend for healing ot be after combat tht is not a problem.

Mysteries could be used to boost your feats (such as getting heavy armor or some manuevers).

One other advantage of a cleric over an oracle is the good fort save, but with Gestalt and barbarian you already have a good fort save so no real benefit there.


Plus, Lame curse means rage cycling at level 5, right? That seems like a win-win given that you're starting the game at 5.

... unless your DM frowns on rage cycling, i guess.

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Eben TheQuiet wrote:
Better stat usage and some interesting tactical/mechanical possibilities depending on which Mystery you choose.

Please qualify this with some examples. Either way, CHA or WIS is a very low priority stat for a barbarian, but at least with WIS as a primary casting stat, I get bonuses to Will saves, Perception, and survival

Eben TheQuiet wrote:
Though I guess if you're specifically looking for Channel, Cleric is better than all but an Oracle of Life.

Channel positive energy isn't a deal-breaker, but access to higher-level spells and having a wide spell list is important.

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Ok, upon re-reading Oracle of Battle, it is a serious contender because it will give me access to the Weapon focus feats.


Nebelwerfer41 wrote:
Eben TheQuiet wrote:
Better stat usage and some interesting tactical/mechanical possibilities depending on which Mystery you choose.
Please qualify this with some examples. Either way, CHA or WIS is a very low priority stat for a barbarian, but at least with WIS as a primary casting stat, I get bonuses to Will saves, Perception, and survival

Good question. The answer is the Superstitious rage power plus the human favored class bonus that boosts its effects. Basically, you can get away with only needing an okay to poor Wisdom, and while raging, your will saves (when using the good progression from the Oracle, plus the Rage boost, plus the bonus from Superstition) will be good to outstanding.

This means you can push Charisma, giving you some flexibility to play a barbarian in a way that you often can’t. Boosting Charisma means you can get some crazy good Intimidate modifiers (as well as other social skills if you want’em), and it means you can qualify for the eldritch heritage feat chain (hello inherent strength boost at level 11 from either Abyssal or Orc bloodline). Heck, even using the Focused study human alternate racial feature, you can pick up Skill Focus (whatever) to qualify for Eldritch Heritage for free, as well as another couple freebie Skill Focuses (Intimidate and Perception seem crazy useful) as you level up.

So now, instead of needing Strength, Con, Wisdom, and Charisma to do all that, you just need Strength, Con, and Charisma. Much more manageable on your meager stat buy. :)

Nebelwerfer41 wrote:
Eben TheQuiet wrote:
Though I guess if you're specifically looking for Channel, Cleric is better than all but an Oracle of Life.
Channel positive energy isn't a deal-breaker, but access to higher-level spells and having a wide spell list is important.

Eh. This is a play style difference, I’m guessing. I just generally prefer spontaneous casters over prepped ones. And I guess you mean “quicker” access to higher level spells, given that the Oracle and Cleric use the same spell lists.

Though it sounds like you’re interested in spending most of your combat time wrecking face in melee… how many of those “flexible” spell slots do you anticipate using in any given combat? Especially if you can’t cast because you’re raging. At least a race-cycle-capable oracle is free to drop rage, drop an appropriate spell, then resume raging whenever the situation demands.

Unless the Cleric jumps through sme hoops to get access to rage cycling, the Cleric version simply can’t do this very consistently (at least beyond the once or twice made available by Roused Anger and Moment of Clarity, but dang would I want to be able to pick up more fun rage powers, were I in your shoes).


Domains can be pretty big. Travel, for instance, gives freedom of movement. Animal(Feather) gives a bonus to Perception and an animal companion.

Grand Lodge

2 words: rage prophet

barbarian/oracle into rage prophet. You will finally make the PrC good being a Gestalt.

Lame Curse- will let you Rage cycle early which will make your 1 use per Round abilities into pure awesome sauce. I know people Go into the pounce tree typically but with rage cycling starting at Level 5 then screw pounce.

You will get by with a so so Charisma as you can get a headband to increase it so you can cast higher level spells. Tho with a Higher Charisma you will be an Intimidate King for sure.

Moment of Clarity- Sadly you have to work it into your Build =( but since your Part Oracle it won't be such a wasted rage power but actually a pretty amazing one.

Spells- Since your not stacking Charisma you will avoid Save-or-suck spells meant for pure casters. Your going to focus on heavy buffs, cure/remove X, and no-save spells. This kind of removes a need for a ever changing spell list a cleric has. If you don't have the spell you need then buy a scroll. Since you are only targeting yourself and your allies you can avoid spell Pen and most meta magic feats.

Feats of Notice for this build:
Divine Intervention (Negate Critical Hits take at 11), Power attack (DUH), Raging Vitality (freaking awesome have a 15 con), Raging Brutality (level 13 or 15), Dreadful Carnage or Cornugon Smash (nice Charisma/intimidate to make it work for you)

Now another Option if I could Tempt you for a powerful monstrosity.

Paladin/Oracle

You said invulnerable rager....How about the unkillable Knight?

Lay on hands/mercies, SMITE (reason 1 to stack Charisma), Full Armor/Weapon proficiency, DIVINE GRACE (best saves in the game bar none! #2 reason for stacking Charisma), Immune to certain status (another reason your saves are stupid good)

Half-elf- Paragon Surge will be an awesome Friend getting a free feat and +2 to Dex and Int....2 stats I'm sure you are not going to touch with enhancement bonus items. Even without Arcane Heritage feat this spell will go a long way for you.

Spells- Your stacking Charisma with this build for Spells and SMITE. You will have good casting stat so you can take better spells.

You don't have to be Battle Mystery anymore! That is big! Life oracle is insane with this build. Oradin FTW! But other mysteries will be good too. Time & Flame also come to mind.

Your Curse isn't going to be going to Lame to allow you to rage cycle. Haunted becomes less of a curse and adds Telekinesis and reverse gravity to your spell list. Both are great spells.


Fruian Thistlefoot wrote:
Moment of Clarity- Sadly you have to work it into your Build =( but since your Part Oracle it won't be such a wasted rage power but actually a pretty amazing one.

If he uses the Lame curse to get fatigue immunity and rage cycling, why would he need Moment of Clarity? If he needs to cast a spell, simply drop rage, cast it, then resume rage. That seems like a waste of a (precious) rage power.

Grand Lodge

Pre req for rage prophet

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The reason I wanted access to a wider breadth of higher level spells is for access to the situational spells like remove disease, restoration, etc. I will be the party's main healer out of combat. I won't be doing much, if any, healing during combat.

I do expect to be in melee most of the time, but I will be fulfilling a striker role (we have a inquisitor/paladin who is doing the tanking). Lame is not an option because it gimps my speed too much.

Grand Lodge

Well I suggest the Paladin/oracle of Life then.

You can heal yourself as swift actions since you will be on the front line. Lay on Hands....You also get mercies to remove other Situation based aliments.

Your Mystery spells are: Lesser restoration, Neutralize Poison (Paladin's Bane is Poisons), Restoration, Breath of Life, Heal, Greater restoration, Mass heal, true resurrection. All seem to be the healer your looking for. The Revelations are awesome. Safe curing, Life Link, Enhanced Cures. You will actually have a hard time choosing what you want to take Revelation wise.

You auto gain Cure spells. You also will have channel energy and lay on hands to heal with. You will most likely never run out of Curing potential.

You are stacking Charisma as your main stat follow by Str so your are smiting. that covers Striker/Hammer role. and your swinging a Big 2 handed weapon+power attack so you are putting out good numbers on non-smited targets.

Your curse can be something like Haunted and it never effect you and only add good spells to your list.

Honestly you will be very hard to stop and so will your team.

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