Goblinworks Blog: The Map

[Nihimon]

Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:

... I would never advise anyone that their DT is safe.

I wholeheartedly agree. At the same time, I would never advise someone to just wipe away their tears and eat the loss if they accidentally mess up their Destiny's Twin benefit.

[Being]

Does anyone have DT actually working at the moment? I may have bolluxed mine.

Typical. I think I personify the single most resounding clue that this is an intelligent universe with a wicked sense of humorous design.

[Illililili]

Yes, pretty much everyone in our guild is training a combat main and a crafter/refiner DT. I would venture that every other guild in the game is doing the same.

[Caldeathe Baequiannia]

Mine appears to function, though I haven't been doing anything the XP is there.

[KarlBob]

I've been using, and training, both of my characters (the way the system has been implemented, it really doesn't make sense to refer to one of them as a DT and the other as a regular character.)

I'm in the group that have been too scared of losing our DTs to risk creating a third character.

[Jakaal]

I was one of the ones that noted the discrepancy in the DT xp upon creation and I think it won't actually start rolling XP until you log in to it. so basically you have to close and relaunch the game 5 times if you want it rolling XP right.

[Being]

Was there a way that you could select for destiny's twin? I never saw even a hint of it when creating either of my characters.

[Giorgo]

Being, that info was covered in the blog. Or are you referring to something else?

[Being]

Rechecking the blog.

You mean this line, Giorgio: "•Once you set two characters to train XP on an account with Destiny's Twin you can't make any XP changes without losing the Destiny's Twin perk." ?

I did set two characters to train. The second one never 'took'.

[Nihimon]

Being, read Managing Your Game Time, Game Client, Characters and Packs.

Hopefully, you haven't played around with Training XP at all. But yes, everyone I know that has a Destiny's Twin account has it working.

[Being]

I set training for my one character, entered game and logged out. I then created and set training for my second character, entered the game and logged out. I re-entered the game and only my first character had training set. So I attempted to set his training again.

So I am given to understand that I have eliminated my DT?

Allow me to express a bit of dismay. Politely. Quietly.

[Giorgo]

Being wrote:

So I am given to understand that I have eliminated my DT?

The instructions were clear on how to activate DT, posted on blogs and the patcher screen info. Don't guess, contact customer support email.

[Being]

It may be that my account was never set up for destiny's twin because there was never any kind of warning box I could cancel whatsoever.

[Being]

Already done Giorgio, both by email and in-game. My thinking is that somehow I wasn't set up as a Destiny's Twin account somehow.

In the instructions I believe I missed step 10:
"1.Create your first character
2.Enter the game world
3.Close the game client
4.Start the game client again and log in
5.Create your second character and enter the game world
6.Close the game client
7.Start the game client again and log in
8.On the character selection screen, click "Set Training"
9.Click the training selector button next to your second character so that it and your first character both say "Training"
10.Click the "Set Training" button a 2nd time to lock in your changes
11.Select a character to play and click "Enter World""

Other hand, I am reluctant to try it again until I hear back from customer service.

[Giorgo]

Being wrote:

Already done Giorgio, both by email and in-game. My thinking is that somehow I wasn't set up as a Destiny's Twin account somehow.

It's possible, let us know what gets worked out.

[Jakaal]

Also you said you set training on your first one as you created it. That should not have been done. You needed to create both characters first, THEN set them both to training at one time.

[Ravenlute]

Actually the training for the first character should have been set automatically after creating it, you shouldn't have had to set it. Then create the second character, log in and out, then set for the second as well and a box would pop up confirming that you wanted to use your DT ability for those two characters.

If you didn't get that confirmation box then something else happened.

[Being]

Thinking about it, if I have lost DT I cannot lose it more. Therefore I should assume my recollection is correct and I skipped step #10. If I'm right then going it to set training on character 2. I will hope the DT box confirmation box pops up, as Ravenlute suggests.

I'll let you know if this works.

[Neadenil Edam]

Being wrote:

Thinking about it, if I have lost DT I cannot lose it more. Therefore I should assume my recollection is correct and I skipped step #10. If I'm right then going it to set training on character 2. I will hope the DT box confirmation box pops up, as Ravenlute suggests.

I'll let you know if this works.

If you never set the second train it hopefully will work.

You may however miss the first weeks XP on the DT as I do not think it backdates like the main will.

[Caldeathe Baequiannia]

DT does backdate. As long as you have never "switched" training from one character to another, you should be Okay.

[Being]

It worked <happy dance!>

Essentially I clicked <set training>
Selected DT Character
Toggled from not training to training xp
Clicked set training again (step #10)
Logged DT char in
XP backdated correctly (given I didn't log in at all until just the other day).

[Neadenil Edam]

Being wrote:

It worked <happy dance!>

Essentially I clicked <set training>
Selected DT Character
Toggled from not training to training xp
Clicked set training again (step #10)
Logged DT char in
XP backdated correctly (given I didn't log in at all until just the other day).

Well done, good news.

Ok so to clarify ... your main backdated XP all the way back to the start of EE and the DT also backdated XP but only to the time you first logged in to the account ?

[Being]

Neadenil Edam wrote:

Being wrote:

It worked <happy dance!>

Essentially I clicked <set training>
Selected DT Character
Toggled from not training to training xp
Clicked set training again (step #10)
Logged DT char in
XP backdated correctly (given I didn't log in at all until just the other day).

Well done, good news.

Ok so to clarify ... your main backdated XP all the way back to the start of EE and the DT also backdated XP but only to the time you first logged in to the account ?

That is what it looks like... but I haven't done the math. So let me think... Character 1 began with 6000 xp. Character 2, created the same night, began with 1000 xp. I trained character 2 to where he had between 250-300 xp unspent, ran him down to Phaeros, then let him lie fallow until I might figure out what I did wrongly. When this evening, with the help of the community (thank you Ravenlute your response was the key) I succeeded in establishing him as the twin he suddenly had in excess of 17000 xp. I think that may calculate out to equal what I have put into character 1.

That is close enough for the Navy.

[Ravenlute]

Glad it worked out. Now just remember to never ever remove training from either character. :)

[Neadenil Edam]

Ravenlute wrote:

Glad it worked out. Now just remember to never ever remove training from either character. :)

Yeah whats with that ? Is that permanent or will we eventually be able to swap one characters training to the third character ?

Also regarding Character 3 can we create and train the 1000 Xp to make a throwaway troll char to annoy Golgotha or TEO or whatever or can we never use that slot ever?

[Ravenlute]

So far it's permanent until the GW folks decide they want to do it another way.

From what other players have said, yes you can make and use a 3rd character. So long as you never set it to train xp you should be fine.

[Guurzak]

Once we have the option to purchase XP credit and apply it to individual characters, you should be able to buy and apply that credit to a third character on that account without making any changes to your DT pair.

[<Kabal>vtgamergirl]

I am having a lot of fun playing this game for sure.

but I just learned today that the 3rd charcter is only getting 1000 xp
and I must say this makes me EXTREAMLY angry.

why is it set up this way?

I understand about the destiny's twin only being on two characters and earning xp when not logged on, either of those characters and that you can change which characters this is on. I have no problem with that.

my PROBLEM is why is the third getting no additional xp when I am logged into it? this does not make sense to me at all and I find it extreamly frustrating that there is a 1000 xp limit. I also don't like the idea of above this post of having to PAY for more xp if I want it on the third.

[Hardin Steele]

The whole point of GWs business plan is to sell subscriptions, which means training time. $15 for one month's worth of XP generation or $150 for a year (2 months free). They have payroll and bills to pay, and that will be one of their revenue streams. Pay for that, and you get an XP generating character.

In fact, you can see why the Destiny's Twin has been retired. It is a benefit of $150 per year, every year, forever. Pretty damn good bonus is you ask me! (You didn't). But GW needs to earn money.

[<Kabal> Daeglin]

For accounts WITHOUT Destiny's Twin, they can create 3 characters. They can set one of them to earn xp and change which character at any time. The xp is regardless of logged in or off, based on subscription only. Pay for one month subscription, you get one month xp as it goes by.

For people with a Destiny's Twin, they gain the xp on 2 of the three characters. They can create a third character limited to the usual starting 1000 xp. The downside to preserving the Destiny Twin perk is they CANNOT change who trains xp so the third character is forever stuck at 1000. If you change it, the Destiny Twin perk is lost and at this point it is unknown if it would ever be restored. It has happened this way due to technical difficulties getting DT to actually work and be available in the Minimum Viable Product at EE.

[<Kabal>vtgamergirl]

if this 1000 xp cap changes due to an active subscription that's fine,

but not if its an additional cost on top of an active subscription.

[Jakaal]

That cap is only there b/c that character can't train XP without breaking DT. So that character gets the xp of a fresh built toon and that is IT.
UNLESS you buy an item that has already been said will come that will be available for purchase with real money that adds XP.

Maybe some day we'll get a better tool for DT and move it around but imagine that is WAY off, and rightly so.

[<Kabal> Daeglin]

One account allows you to have max 3 characters. Once we get beyond January (and the bonus backdated xp for your first created character), whenever you create a character, it will start with 1000 xp. It will never gain anymore xp unless you turn on Set Training for it which then turns OFF xp on every other character.

Most of us are unwilling to do this if we have a Destinys Twin for the reasons outlined above.

There are currently no definite statements from GW about any other method of getting xp for a character other than paying a monthly sub, which gives you one month of xp to divide among your three characters as you see fit (but don't if you have the DT). So the 1000 xp is not a cap if you don't have Destinys Twin, or if you are willing to wreck your Destiny's Twin (which wouldn't make a lot of sense - the value of 2 characters gaining xp for the price of one means you could probably sell that account and use the money to get a "regular" account and have money left over for bonus time if you really wanted the ability to move xp around freely among all three characters).

I think most people with a Destiny Twin will use there third character slot as a disposable killer or spy, as a temporary porter, or for role-play.

[Ravenlute]

Each monthly subscription pays for 1 character on your account to gain xp. If you want to have all 3 gaining xp at the same time you will need to pay for 3 subscriptions. The ability to do so isn't in yet.

[<Kabal>vtgamergirl]

I hate to say this but the fact that a third character cannot gain any
more than 1000 xp actually almost makes me NOT want to play this game.

As of now I am undecided.

[Neadenil Edam]

<Kabal>vtgamergirl wrote:

I hate to say this but the fact that a third character cannot gain any

more than 1000 xp actually almost makes me NOT want to play this game.

As of now I am undecided.

Just get a normal account without a DT and you can train all three.

[Caldeathe Baequiannia]

Or make a second account and pay a sub for that one. Having two characters that get to earn XP for one price is a pretty powerful bonus.

[Ryan Dancey]

This is the wrong thread for this discussion.