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This is some serious b%%~!~@@. Spend some time on the internet and you'll see that, frankly a lot of people are into that, at least in theory.
Additionally, more people than have it as an interest might be able to muster some interest if the creature in question was a real person who they fell in love with. Some wouldn't, but it wouldn't be unheard of.
And finally, a lot of the creatures that have been discussed are shapechangers. Do you really care if the beautiful woman (or handsome man) you love happens to be able to turn into a snake or a spider, or whatever? I wouldn't.
A lot of people "on the internet" are into a lot of things, but I would argue that what one finds on the internet in regards to a great many things is still not normative. The internet simply allows obscure groups and subcultures to interact with relative ease. In the physical world, folks who have a borderline bestiality fetish are still very, very few and far between.
I stated that I could wrap my brain around romance between human and those who can take human form. I would just wonder why such a creature would find humans sexually attractive. I didn't say there was anything wrong with a fetish, I just think that such pairings would be very, very, very rare. That is unless monster/inhuman fetishists are common in Golarion.
Love? Really? I love my cat, but even if my cat started chatting with me like Puss n' Boots I'm not going to want a sexual relationship with him...1.) he's male and 2.) he's a cat....HE'S A TALKING CAT. Love is one thing, but the desire to be physically intimate with an individual is another often unrelated thing. I think it's a mistake to conflate the ability to love someone with the desire to have sex with someone. I could imagine loving a female gnoll as a dear friend but I wouldn't have sex with a even the sexiest gnoll female because the idea of such an encounter is unappealing...because she's a hyena person...with "hyena" being the operative word. She's a furry animal-person....
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There are no doubt people who would find animalistic or abberrant monsters sexually or romantically attractive. But the internet is a bit of an echo chamber, and the actual proportion of the population who are into that population is probably very very small. If anything, it would be even smaller if some of those races existed in real life and acted like they do in Golarion. If a gnoll eats your neighbors, that might be a quick mood killer
Then consider the fact that the number of gnoll that are likely to consider humans attractive is probably also pretty small (again, assuming the Golarion default portrayal). So what are the odds that the one guy who finds minotaurs hot and the one minotaur who finds people hot would actually cross paths and have the opportunity to romance.
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In my interpretation of Golarion, the half-orc and half-elf races simply indicate a person of mixed heritage in which some of the racial traits of both races are exhibited. So, a half-elven child could have parents that were both half-elves themselves, or one human and one half-elf, etc.
I don't want to pin down how distant an ancestor has to be, or how much "blood" an individual has to have, because I don't want to constrain storytelling possibilities-- either my own or my players'. (And also to avoid Jim Crow style racial definitions by ancestry.)
I do like the idea that half-elven or half-orc traits can skip a generation or two. So, for example, two humans (both with an orcish ancestor shomewhere in the past) could have a half-orc child. That in itself could cause the typical half-orc difficulties in upbringing, even with two parents who loved each other.
You also avoid three-quarter elves and the like.
Also...wow I need to wake up more before posting...my last comment was a grammar horror show
There is in humans in real world, who
- try transform themself in to animals by mechanically or surgigally.
- have a serious and sexual relationship with dogs or ponies. There was even one guy, who had long term sexual relationship with his neighbours car.
- are adopted by animals and growed with them.
I'm sure that there would be people in golarion, who are amored by some monsters or see even themselves as a particular monster.
Honey, you don't mind me reproducing with this bandit I found in my hunting area, do you?
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No, hun, go right ahead! Better him than me...
In the Legacy of Fire AP you can pursue a relationship with a harpy.That was really a joke though. She was a hideously ugly, smelly creature with rotting buck teeth and so on, who flirted with the male pc's. They could flirt back to manipulate her but that was about it. She wasn't presented as a serious romance option.Play results and her portrayal later in the AP say otherwise.
Also, can't recall that description being used for Undrella.Here's a refresher.
"Undrella believes herself to be a stunning beauty, and is shocked that someone might find her unattractive"
"she says with her crooked-toothed grin"
"she says batting her crusty eyelids"
"she traces the cheek of her favorite PC with a talon-like fingernail, getting close to seductively smell his scent"At the end of the book she is listed as a contact in the section Crime and not in the section Romance if you have allied with her.
I remember a blog of someone who Played LoF and one PC hooked up with her and they even had a kid.
Link here
How about the old "It's magic, I ain't got to explain it!"
Seriously, Miracle and Wish are things people <.<
I'd imagine more good-aligned monstrous creatures would attempt to find polymorph spells to allow them to be with the person they love. I'd imagine that would help out in the jorogumo case.
And now we know how centaurs and minotaurs came to be.
Unlike here where we talk about the birds and the bees, they talk about the Elves and the Dwarves...
Yeah, mom, we're married. Yes, I know she's big. But really, don't say the words cow, milk, bull or cattle so she can hear them.
"Undrella believes herself to be a stunning beauty, and is shocked that someone might find her unattractive"
"she says with her crooked-toothed grin"
"she says batting her crusty eyelids"
"she traces the cheek of her favorite PC with a talon-like fingernail, getting close to seductively smell his scent"
Those descriptions fits for almost every woman over 30 and many teens too in real history. The modern hygiene, food with nutrients for all year and having beauty products not containing mercury do makes wonders.
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Like in many things, I find myself agreeing with Mikaze. Although I haven't had anything like that come up in a game.
I greatly dislike the Always Chaotic Evil BS that has been a holdover (that should be thrown in the garbage) since the first Monster Manual back in the 1970s. I also greatly, greatly dislike the "monster races are tribal in nature and not civilized" trope abundant in fantasy RPGs, and reinforces the extremely flawed European conqueror mentality. But that's for a different discussion.
As for the talk about sexual attraction is concerned, you would be surprised how many people would actually be into some of this stuff. If you take real world human attraction, you would have people who are attracted to the tentacled aberrations, people who want a sexual relationship with the various giants (and the bigger the better for their "macro" fetish), people into gnolls and goblins and orcs, those who want to get it on with vampires or werewolves or even some golems, even some into the more animal creatures (normal animals, animal-intelligence magical beasts, humanoid-intelligence magical beasts). And don't forget the demons, devils, angels, and other outsiders.
And there is no reason why a gnoll couldn't find a human sexy (even a female gnoll, if you fashion them after the matriarchic hyenas, could find a strong and aggressive human to be sexy), or a giant that's into the "micro" fetish, though anatomy (without polymorph-type spells) would be problematic if the giant was male. Hell, even a super intelligent magical beast could be attracted to a humanoid.
There is also no reason why a human that's into a more animal-anatomy creture couldn't find a (for example) blink dog that has the hots for humans. Why? Because this is fantasy and fiction, and you can make anything happen. Have a player who's character wants to marry a blink dog as part of their character? There's no reason to deny him/her their blink dog partner, other than your preconceived notions.
Same with a nation of lawful good orcs or goblins. This would be my hope for Arcadia, in that they have tribal humans, with civilized nations of orcs that aren't chaotic evil, and gnolls and hobgoblins and all the other "enemy races" from the original Monster Manual.
The rape origin gets old. Or the background of a half-elf being despised by his human peers because he has "pointy eared hippy" in him, and also being despised by his elven peers because he has "barbaric short-lived monkey" in him.
I don't think that the klu-klux clan or nazies of golarion or anyone sharing their opinions are any less active than their earthly comparisons. So, there is surely someone, who think that halfelf is as much abobination than any squidfaced giant rising from sea.
What is tolareted and not, can be anything, but if both GM and players have same idea, that could make great game whatever excites you.
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Love will find a way, whether it comes to looks or biological hang-ups like eating your mate's face off. Especially with the options available in a fantasy universe.
Regarding Undrella being a "joke" option because she's not written as beautiful(her actual artwork in LoF and Mythological Monsters Revisited aside), it's odd to call that out as such when the earlier complaint was that all of the "beauty and beast" couplings were female-beauty/male-beast.
(especially when one considers Undrella mostly needs to be introduced to bathing as far as physical presentation goes)
Yeah why would not being pretty make her unlovable?
Bathing is not a typical activity for birds, ya? Add some soap and flying gets difficult. A sand bath could be done, though?
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I'd imagine more good-aligned monstrous creatures would attempt to find polymorph spells to allow them to be with the person they love. I'd imagine that would help out in the jorogumo case.
There's a comment in the above mentioned Pathfinder Tales novel about quid pro quo being needed. Basically, "we've done it as humans when do we do it as naga?"
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Squid-pro-quo?
They gave up after trying to mate with gelatinous cubes. Consensually of course.
I'd imagine more good-aligned monstrous creatures would attempt to find polymorph spells to allow them to be with the person they love. I'd imagine that would help out in the jorogumo case.There's a comment in the above mentioned Pathfinder Tales novel about quid pro quo being needed. Basically, "we've done it as humans when do we do it as naga?"
This is true. I was mostly talking about the jorogumo to prevent the husband from getting killed by his spider babies.
A jorogumo who doesn't want to kill her mate could probably lay the egg in an animal that was at hand.
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Love will find a way, whether it comes to looks or biological hang-ups like eating your mate's face off. Especially with the options available in a fantasy universe.
Regarding Undrella being a "joke" option because she's not written as beautiful(her actual artwork in LoF and Mythological Monsters Revisited aside), it's odd to call that out as such when the earlier complaint was that all of the "beauty and beast" couplings were female-beauty/male-beast.
(especially when one considers Undrella mostly needs to be introduced to bathing as far as physical presentation goes)
I introduced her to bathing if you know what I mean.
You're not Aku.
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Bathing is not a typical activity for birds, ya? Add some soap and flying gets difficult. A sand bath could be done, though?Prepare yourself.
My birdie Stitch gets bathed with natural soap once a week.
You learn something new every day. :-)
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This thread is Mikaze's Spirit Animal.
Of course when a harpy does it it's probably a bit less straight-up adorable. :)
especially if it's their first in years, in which case that water is going to turn into a reinactment of the Valdez oil spill as soon as she dips in a leg D:
Isn't that what Prestidigitation is for?
Start with that first, and then work your way in. :)
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In Planescape (a "darker and edgier" setting if there ever was one) the leader of one of the factions that ran the multiversal hub city of Sigil was a half-orc (despite them not being a Player's Handbook race at the time) with a refreshingly different backstory.
In this case, the character's parents were a loving couple who had fled their home prime material word to escape persecution over their unusual choice of spouse. As I recall, the orc parent was his mother as well, which is a little unusual in-and-of itself.
As I recall, the couple had been forced to settle down in the poorest part of the city and had died as victims of some kind of violence while their son was only an infant, so he grew up an orphan and never knew his origin. So, it's still a "gritty" story, but with more of a Romeo and Juliet (or perhaps Westside Story) angle rather than the typical inter-species rape scenario.
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As for OPs original three
1) Yes. With all the strange fetishes and predilections people in our rather ordinary world are prone to, how could it be any other way?
2) Yes.
3) Yes. Half-orc fighter was reincarnated as a centaur in my Kingmaker game. Now she has a centaur bard husband from the Nomen tribe. They may be the same species now, but in her head, and soul?, she's still a half-orc. Her mental differences were one of the things that attracted him to her, and that she can arm-wrestle ogres and win. For her, she has no issues being, and being with, someone of a different body than what she was surrounded by. Her background actually made the possibility of loving someone of a more or less orc-shape somewhat difficult.
Perhaps not monstrous in the way you where thinking, but I think it still applies. It's actually caused some issues with certain individuals. With the local prejudice against centaurs, some in the area actually skin and tan their hides, the thought of someone willing turning into one of them, mating with one, and intending to bear centaur children is beyond obscene.
It's been really interesting playing the reactions of swordlords who where growing to accept, even like in a certain way, the centaur general of the kingdom to the south. She managed to forge peace between the humans and centaurs after all, so she certainly deserves respect. Only to have them find out that she's was once human!
Man, how did I not see this?
Anyway, dot for later. Short version: what Mikaze said.
Yeah, mom, we're married. Yes, I know she's big. But really, don't say the words cow, milk, bull or cattle so she can hear them.
Mom: "I made meatloaf, so...."
Regarding Undrella being a "joke" option because she's not written as beautiful(her actual artwork in LoF and Mythological Monsters Revisited aside), it's odd to call that out as such when the earlier complaint was that all of the "beauty and beast" couplings were female-beauty/male-beast.
(especially when one considers Undrella mostly needs to be introduced to bathing as far as physical presentation goes)
Maybe Undrella has a bit of Northern White-faced Owl in her harpy genome? If so, she might just be putting on a more fearsome "ugly" appearance (good part starts at 1:42) in front of those dangerous adventurers?