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Boxes are... highly problematic. The damage-during-shipping factor alone is prohibitive in cost for a company of our size (very tiny).

Shadow Lodge

Yeah, for whatever reason I never really have been nostalgic for boxes...even though I started out on the BECMI sets.

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And I do prefer hardcovers myself. And I love getting the PDF too.

These days I print the PDF and I run the game from a notebook. I like to highlight my stuff, so all my old 1e modules are highlighted but my newer books are pristine. I read them or can look something up but I highlight the printed PDFs and save my books the wear and tear. I love doing it this way.

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I do prefer hardcovers, but I got a ton of supplemental material for the RA KS (poster, module, PG, etc), a sturdy box to put it in would be a nice perk.

I guess I could try to use my Rappan Athuk Reloaded box (which is super-sturdy).

Shadow Lodge

Auxmaulous wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
I prefer hardcovers.

Hardcover, plus a box for all the maps and printed player guides.

Hey, I can dream right?

That's why you make a wooden box.

Trip to the hardware store!

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Not...helpful...


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Chuck Wright wrote:
Boxes are... highly problematic. The damage-during-shipping factor alone is prohibitive in cost for a company of our size (very tiny).

I'm not really suggesting it as the standard method of packaging - even Paizo balk at boxed sets.

I mean I'd like there to be a boxset option (wood would be my preference) for the higher tiers in some future campaign setting kickstarter. To receive the hardcover books and maps in. Given the pirate chest from the Razor Coast kickstarter (pretty remarkably over-specced!) I'd hope that was doable at some level.

Maybe the trick is for me to persuade Bill he wants one. :)

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There is an idea. Someone should make and sell wooden boxes specifically to hold collections of gaming stuff.

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Yeah my copy of Tunnels and Trolls will be arriving in a wooden box.


Shem wrote:

Justmebd

I believe someone somewhere said that Necropolis is owned by the Gygax estate and cannot be redone, but at the Frogs site you can download a copy of the PDF.

Yeah, I was hoping for a dead tree version without having to pay the Ebay price. I may just have to get the PDF and head to Kinkos.

Thanks for thinking of me, though! :)

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brvheart wrote:
pretty much all of my campaigns are all Lost Lands all the time! The exception being Freeport, but even that is going to be located in the Lost Lands.

It fits! Per the sidebar we did in Razor Coast in cooperation with Green Ronin. Though it is not official canon, there is totally an official place for Freeport in your Lost Lands campaign. :-)


Greg A. Vaughan wrote:


...So I'll keep firing back answers as long as my schedule will permit. :-)

Ok, if you really don't mind, I do have another one. How far will Quail Valley be from Bard's Gate?

I have started dropping hints about Larin Karn and PC's seem curious.

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justmebd wrote:

Thanks for all the updates, Greg!

Been a fan of your work for years and I like to think the few scenarios I did manage to get published would make you proud. Skeletons of Scarwall remains my favorite module/AP installment of the last 10 years.

Anyway, shameless brown-nosing aside, I'm already maneuvering my budget to be able to get Northlands later this year.

My big hole in the collection from the old stuff is Gary Gygax' Necropolis. Can you reveal if that is in the plans for a rework? Are you even able to? (No idea if that was a one-time license for his stuff or not)

You're making me blush, justmebd. ;-)

Necropolis is tricky. MY understanding from talking to Bill is that we do own the rights to the IP in that particular book but not, of course, Gary's name on the book. That said, I don't foresee us updating and reissuing it. Without Gary around to be in on it, it just doesn't feel right. Plus it is such a fully self-contained adventure of pure Gary feel, I just didn't want to disrespect it with an update, so it is one of the few NG titles that are not on our 5-7 year plan for an update. That said, Khemit is still a part of our world and there are even supplemental materials by NG that connect to it (Set's Daughters, anyone?). So we will be revisiting Khemit in the future and expanding upon it, probably with a reissue of Set's Daughters at some point, but I do not think we have plans to update and republish Necropolis itself.

You can always get the original pdf from us, but ebay or convincing Bill to open his personal vaults is probably the best bet of getting ahold of a physical copy. Sorry about that.

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DaveMage wrote:

I'm looking forward to all of it!

Greg - Do you intend to incorporate new Pathfinder material (such as the upcoming class book) or are you going to stick to more traditional (core) rules?

The upcoming class book is certainly available for use in our stuff. I think we historically tend to stick with the more traditional stuff, but it certainly won't be off limits from our end. I would guess we would tend to use it sparingly, but you can certainly use it in your own campaign; it won't break anything in the Lost Lands as far as I know (haven't looked at all the classes yet, though). The only PF classes that I know of currently that are specifically not supported in Lost Lands are ninja and samurai, and that is because we don't have an Asian-themed area developed with which to support their background yet. I suspect that will change eventually.

DaveMage wrote:


And, what happens if...

D&D 5E is open?
Pathfinder 2E comes out during this time?

(Personally, I hope you stay away from D&D 5 and I hope Pathfinder 2E is a long way off.)

Those are good questions, and I don't know the answers to them yet. That would require a company meeting before we could make a determination. As of this time I do not know of any plans to support 5e, but I don't know what Bill has in mind for it. I don't believe we would abandon either PF or S&W for it, though.

(And I personally agree with you on both points.)

DaveMage wrote:

Finally, Greg, I noticed you are not an author for the Mummy's Mask AP. I was a bit saddened by that, but congratulations on your long AP run!

Yes, med school finally became too invasive in my life to be able to support writing two AP adventures each year. :-( The guys at Paizo have been super supportive about it though. I have ended my AP adventure streak but my overall AP streak stands. I wrote an article and one of the forewords for Mummy's Mask, so you'll still see me around. I wrote an ecology for Iron Gods, and I'm working on an assignment for the as-yet-unrevealed AP following Iron Gods, so that streak should continue into the foreseeable future. Thanks, though!

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Grimmy wrote:
Greg A. Vaughan wrote:


...So I'll keep firing back answers as long as my schedule will permit. :-)

Ok, if you really don't mind, I do have another one. How far will Quail Valley be from Bard's Gate?

I have started dropping hints about Larin Karn and PC's seem curious.

You caught me at school, Grimmy, so I don't have my maps handy. I'll have to go from memory to try and answer you.

Quail Valley lies in the Green Mountains of the Westmarches of the Grand Duchy of Reme. Its more or less due west of Eamonvale (which can be seen on the sample map linked to update 5 of the Barakus KS) and I'm going to guess its about 800-1,000 miles from there. The Grand Duchy of Reme is actually pretty big in its new treatment and Eamonvale is on its extreme eastern edge while Quail Valley is at its western end.

Like I mentioned previously in regards to the old NG titles, The Vault of Larin Karr will be one that gets an AP treatment. A cool thing about that adventure as an AP, though, is it finally gives us something to do with that cool stat block of Larin Karr that is in the back of the adventure and is way too high level to really use with the adventure very easily. Look for Mr. Karr to play a more active role in things when the Vault gets updated as an AP set in western Reme.

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That is cool news!


That is beyond cool news.

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What can I say, I've been given excellent material to work with from what Bill and Clark put out back in the NG days. I just get to play with it and have some fun. :-)

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Greg A. Vaughan wrote:
Like I mentioned previously in regards to the old NG titles, The Vault of Larin Karr will be one that gets an AP treatment. A cool thing about that adventure as an AP, though, is it finally gives us something to do with that cool stat block of Larin Karr that is in the back of the adventure and is way too high level to really use with the adventure very easily. Look for Mr. Karr to play a more active role in things when the Vault gets updated as an AP set in western Reme.

That is excellent news.

VoLK was one of the best mini-campaigns/sandbox adventures written. I hope you guys can rope in Mr. Kenower to revisit Quail valley and write some support material for the super-module format of this.


Greg A. Vaughan wrote:


DaveMage wrote:


And, what happens if...

D&D 5E is open?
Pathfinder 2E comes out during this time?

(Personally, I hope you stay away from D&D 5 and I hope Pathfinder 2E is a long way off.)

Those are good questions, and I don't know the answers to them yet. That would require a company meeting before we could make a determination. As of this time I do not know of any plans to support 5e, but I don't know what Bill has in mind for it. I don't believe we would abandon either PF or S&W for it, though.

(And I personally agree with you on both points.)

Thanks, Greg. I just hope that nothing cancels the titles that are planned - like what almost happened with Slumbering Tsar when 4E was announced (although that did turn out OK :) ).

Seems like Pathfinder 2.0 is several years away (especially since Lisa Stevens reported on EN World that Pathfinder Core books sales continue to grow from quarter to quarter) so hopefully it won't be an issue.


Greg A. Vaughan wrote:
justmebd wrote:

Thanks for all the updates, Greg!

Been a fan of your work for years and I like to think the few scenarios I did manage to get published would make you proud. Skeletons of Scarwall remains my favorite module/AP installment of the last 10 years.

Anyway, shameless brown-nosing aside, I'm already maneuvering my budget to be able to get Northlands later this year.

My big hole in the collection from the old stuff is Gary Gygax' Necropolis. Can you reveal if that is in the plans for a rework? Are you even able to? (No idea if that was a one-time license for his stuff or not)

You're making me blush, justmebd. ;-)

Necropolis is tricky. MY understanding from talking to Bill is that we do own the rights to the IP in that particular book but not, of course, Gary's name on the book. That said, I don't foresee us updating and reissuing it. Without Gary around to be in on it, it just doesn't feel right. Plus it is such a fully self-contained adventure of pure Gary feel, I just didn't want to disrespect it with an update, so it is one of the few NG titles that are not on our 5-7 year plan for an update. That said, Khemit is still a part of our world and there are even supplemental materials by NG that connect to it (Set's Daughters, anyone?). So we will be revisiting Khemit in the future and expanding upon it, probably with a reissue of Set's Daughters at some point, but I do not think we have plans to update and republish Necropolis itself.

You can always get the original pdf from us, but ebay or convincing Bill to open his personal vaults is probably the best bet of getting ahold of a physical copy. Sorry about that.

Thanks, and no worries about re-doing it. Everything you said makes perfect sense.


@justmebd,
If I may make a suggestion. You may want to check Noble Knight Games before you try ebay. Here is their link. I think I have found 2 copies of Necropolis over the years at a reasonable price.


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Greg A. Vaughan wrote:
What can I say, I've been given excellent material to work with from what Bill and Clark put out back in the NG days. I just get to play with it and have some fun. :-)

You're being humble. ST was the only mod in a looooong time that reeled me in enough to want to read it even when I didn't have a group to run it for.

You're a buy on sight author, no reviews needed.


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silverhair2008 wrote:

@justmebd,

If I may make a suggestion. You may want to check Noble Knight Games before you try ebay. Here is their link. I think I have found 2 copies of Necropolis over the years at a reasonable price.

There's two copies there at the moment - one for $45 and one for $30 (though that one is missing the poster map).

I'd definitely recommend Noble Knight Games also based on ease of transaction and reliability.


I note that some necromancer books are available as print on demand on drivethrurpg. Is there any likelihood that others (I'm guessing not necropolis) may be available by this means in the future?

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Steve Geddes wrote:
silverhair2008 wrote:

@justmebd,

If I may make a suggestion. You may want to check Noble Knight Games before you try ebay. Here is their link. I think I have found 2 copies of Necropolis over the years at a reasonable price.

There's two copies there at the moment - one for $45 and one for $30 (though that one is missing the poster map).

I'd definitely recommend Noble Knight Games also based on ease of transaction and reliability.

Noble Knight has been a GREAT friend to the frogs over the years.

SG

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And to the fans.

Pathfinder Lead Developer, Frog God Games

Grimmy, I just checked my map. Quail Valley is 850 miles due west of Eamonvale. Just wanted to confirm it for you since I was just guessing earlier.


I am new to FGG and the Lost Lands setting. I'm getting my feet wet with the Barakus KS. So far from what I've seen I'll probably want more gear in this setting.

I run my own homebrew but I think the LL regions have a lot of really cool stuff to incorporate. If nothing else from everything I've read FGG really does old school megadungeons well and Barakus has a good one. Consequently my homebrew is currently focused on a developing megadungeon so I'll pilfer my KS material for ideas.

But I also just bought a new place; one with a basement. In said basement is a room for gaming and in said gaming room are big, white walls with nothing for me to decorate them with. Yet.

I would love to get my hands on a big, beautiful map of the Lost Lands to get on one of those walls. I have hand-drawn material that will also be going up for my home campaign. Hopefully I'll get a chance to grab this map through the KS?

Publisher, Frog God Games

Mark--if you like mega dungeons...get Rappan Athuk--not sure there is a larger dungeon in the game

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If the Barakus KS hits 55k, you will have the opportunity to buy the regional poster map that covers the area of Barakus (The Sinnar Coast Region). If you buy the Sword of Air later this summer it will include another regional poster map that covers the area just north of the Sinnar Coast (The Gulf of Akados Region--you can see an early hand-drawn version of it linked to Update 5 in the Barakus KS). Each of these two covers something like 2.25 million square miles I think (roughly 1500 x 1500), so they're big areas. Other regional maps will be coming out with other books in the future. However, to get the entire Lost Lands Campaign Setting map (encompassing the above-mentioned regions and much, much more) you'll unfortunately have to wait until the Lost Lands Campaign Setting comes out in a couple years. That material is all still under development.


Bill Webb wrote:
Mark--if you like mega dungeons...get Rappan Athuk--not sure there is a larger dungeon in the game

Oh yes...the "Granddaddy..."

One of the nice things about FGG's Kickstarters is that if they do well enough the company GRACIOUSLY discounts their other stuff after the thing closes. I don't know what the discount will be on Rappan Athuk, but I'm going to use it to afford this dungeon.

THE dungeon.

I have a couple old-school megadungeons. I have lots of Greyhawk stuff (I repurposed the map of Castle Greyhawk's 3 hills for the Ruins of Flamenwing Castle megadungeon I made up) and buried in my gear is a boxed set of Undermountain. But neither of these has the real grit that I want.

RA does though.

I started stalking one GM's RA online campaign. Not playing mind you, just watching from afar. It's gross I know but I had to see what the fuss was about. After watching ONE delve I was completely hooked!

Then I heard about Barakus and the KS. I jumped on it at once. Even as a mini megadungeon it's still bound to have the flavor I want. Then when the excellent Bill Webb announced that, as with other KS campaigns their survey would offer discounts on other gear, I KNEW there had to be a copy of RA out there somewhere with my name on it.

I HOPE there is at least. If I can't get it from FGG in hardcover I'll grudgingly take it in PDF, though I might still have to grab an HC of it used from Paizo. There's just something satisfying about a hardcover game book in my hand and one that size has to be felt to be believed.

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And if you think that is a monster grab Slumbering Tsar. It is about 1000 pages of Greg Vaughn goodness or badness depending on what side of the screen you are on.

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Shem wrote:

And if you think that is a monster grab Slumbering Tsar. It is about 1000 pages of Greg Vaughn goodness or badness depending on what side of the screen you are on.

When I got the original manuscript for The Slumbering Tsar Saga I was scrolling through it I decided to hop on to the project doing layout after I read the following two words:

Spoiler:

Flayed Angel.

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I have glanced at it but I have not read it... But you tempt me oh Chuck, you tempt me sir...


Shem wrote:
I have glanced at it but I have not read it... But you tempt me oh Chuck, you tempt me sir...

It is not easy reading, but it is glorious!


Yeah some of Slumbering Tsar is downright disturbing....

...but it's probably the best adventure I've ever run.

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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

I am sorely tempted to get all the individual single section modules so it is easier to read, I eman the book weighs a ton!

" Lost Lands Campaign Setting comes out in a couple years." Couple of YEARS! Ah well nothing to do but wait...

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Pual wrote:
I note that some necromancer books are available as print on demand on drivethrurpg. Is there any likelihood that others (I'm guessing not necropolis) may be available by this means in the future?

Pual - we are not releasing things specifically for POD through FGG, because we don't like the current quality available. If the quality improves in the future, then it might be something for us to reconsider, as we have heard this every once in a while. I don't believe there is anything to keep you from getting the pdf printed on your own, if thats how you choose to go.

Skeeter

PS we did not set up anything specifically with drivethru for print on demand. If that's a service they offer, I don't think we have anything to do with that, but Ill verify.

Shadow Lodge

I know that a softcover Rappan Athuk Reloaded was offered at some point, as I got it...maybe a year or so before you guys announced you would be doing the reprint.


Mark Hoover wrote:


I started stalking one GM's RA online campaign. Not playing mind you, just watching from afar. It's gross I know but I had to see what the fuss was about. After watching ONE delve I was completely hooked!

I totally used to lurk RA and ST PbP's for a while when I couldn't get my players to buy into them :D

I was that excited about those adventures, that if I couldn't play them or run them I was going to watch other people do it. haha! That's quite a testimonial if you think of it.

I've run them since (well not to completion, but lot's of sessions). My players just needed to get a little more practice first before they were ready to take on something so hard.

Which PbP did you watch, Mark Hoover? I'd like to take a look at it if it was good enough to get you hooked.


Baldwin the Merciful's campaign was where I had been creeping. I don't know if it's as epic as this material gets but just the fact that the thing was SO huge and some of the battles seemed so, I don't know; angry I suppose.

My own homebrewed megadungeon is the ruins of a castle (site one), a trio of outer support tower ruins (site 2, 3 and 4), remnants of a ruined town scattered within the battlements (sites 5 and 6), as well as four external zones: an old graveyard with crypt levels below (site 7), a dark bog concealing more ruins (site 8), a huge kobold delve carved below an outlying hill (site 9) and a large, wooded hollow surrounded by rugged hillsides pierced by many cave entrances (site 10).

Instead of being a dungeon that goes down Flamenwing Castle is the ruined remains of a castle and walled town that sprawls outward. Oh of course it delves down too. When I was designing it I just kept thinking I wanted it to be immense and then I heard of RA. I seemed to be re-inventing a wheel. A spiked torture wheel that's always on fire and infused with profane energy, but a wheel nonetheless.

Back to the thread: I love the hand-drawn map in the KS notice and I can't wait for this to be available!

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I got my PDF of this map today. Printed and taped to the previous regional map, a bit weird as they do not line up well. But what I want to know is where is Bard's Gate. It is supposed to be close to Tsar I thought.

And from what I saw in Stoneheart Valley it was supposed to be close to there too. I am confused about it location.

Being that is where the poor kids are right now and I am going to be taking them for a ride next week I would like to know where I am in the world.

Thank you somebody.


Shem, I did the same and using photoshop I squeezed the Sinnar Valley Map a bit and then it lines up. I was a bit surprised it didn't line up correctly on its own.

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I found Bard's Gate. The maps printed on letter sized paper are a bit hard to read, but I am good now.


This is a intense necro, but I was reading Barakus and "Legends of Hawkmoon" is referenced... and this was the first result google spat out.

Can anyone tell me which old necromancer games modules are involved in that?


I sent an email to the Frogs. Hopefully someone will come answer your question.

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Hawkmoon is in the Lance Hawvermale modules for Necromancer Games - The Bonegarden, Elemental Moon, and Lamentation of Thieves. Material in Dead Men's Chest also has ties to Hawkmoon.

Lance also worked on What Evil Lurks and Raise the Dead, but I don't recall either being tied to Hawkmoon.

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What davrion said with the addition of:
What Evil Lurks is set in Hawkmoon and was in fact the original Hawkmoon title, I believe.
Raise the Dead is multiple scenarios that do not necessarily tie in directly with Hawkmoon, but I think one or more of them might be associated with Hawkmoon. Can't remember for sure offhand.

Alright back into my working pit. Maybe they'll leave the lid open just a crack for me. :)

P.S. Legends of Hawkmoon to definitively connect and flesh all those titles out…just as soon as I get finished with The Blight…and The canon review of Bard's Gate…and the Lost Lands Campaign Setting...
I'm saying it may still be a little while. ;)

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I do not think I have heard of Legends of Hawkmoon. Now you have me excited about something all new.

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