Expeditious retreat and paladin mount


Rules Questions


If I have my paladin UMD expeditious retreat on a wand, can I apply it to my paladin mount through "share spell"? My understanding is that I can redirect it to my mount, giving it a 50+30=80 base move speed. Justice is swift!

Bonus question 1: If my mount is going to die in combat, can I use http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/h/hero-s-defiance to keep my horse alive? If you can replace "you" with "horse" when using share spell, it seems like the horse would be able to trigger it.

Bonus question 2: What kind of action is used to "catch" something being dropped or thrown to a nearby ally? I am planning to use my horse as a utility animal and have helpful items like wands/potions strapped to him that allies can grab and use. I was wondering if I could have the items attached by a rope and have the horse "bite it free" while moving past allies and they could grab it (or have the horse simply toss them the item with his mouth). Basically the idea is to have the horse act as 1,500 pound saint bernard, aiding allies however he can.

Thanks in advance for the help!


How do you have share spell?

Shadow Lodge

@thebigragu: Paladin's mount works as an Animal Companion and thus gets Share Spells.

Answer: No. You can only Share Spells with spells you cast. Using a spell from a magic item is not the same as casting the spell.

Also Share Spells only lets you share spells from the class granting an animal companion, and the Paladin doesn't get Expeditous Retreat. You'd need to multiclass into Inquisitor with the Animal domain, Cleric with the Animal and Azata or Exploration domains, or Sorcerer with the Sylvan bloodline.

1) I think that works.

2) This one's not in RAW but either a ranged attack roll by the thrower, a Dex check by the catcher, or both would probably be required. One or both participants would need to spend a move action (for "manipulate an object"). The GM may even require the catcher to ready an action to catch. The thrower and maybe the catcher would provoke AoO.

Liberty's Edge

PRD wrote:
The second type of bond allows a paladin to gain the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve her in her crusade against evil. This mount is usually a heavy horse (for a Medium paladin) or a pony (for a Small paladin), although more exotic mounts, such as a boar, camel, or dog are also suitable. This mount functions as a druid's animal companion, using the paladin's level as her effective druid level. Bonded mounts have an Intelligence of at least 6.

and

PRD wrote:
Share Spells (Ex): The druid may cast a spell with a target of “You” on her animal companion (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on herself. A druid may cast spells on her animal companion even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the companion's type (animal). Spells cast in this way must come from a class that grants an animal companion. This ability does not allow the animal to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.

To reply to the OP question:

your paladin levels grant the Expeditious retreat? I don't think so, as you speak of using UMD, so you can't use Expeditious retreat with your mount.
PRD wrote:


Hero's Defiance
School conjuration (healing); Level paladin 1

You can if it come from your paladin class, so you can use it with your mount if it is a spell you have memorized, you can't if it is in some kind of magic item (wand, scroll, etc.).


Cool, I'd overlooked that. I'm glad this thread came up.

Shadow Lodge

Weirdo wrote:

Answer: No. You can only Share Spells with spells you cast. Using a spell from a magic item is not the same as casting the spell.

Also Share Spells only lets you share spells from the class granting an animal companion, and the Paladin doesn't get Expeditous Retreat. You'd need to multiclass into Inquisitor with the Animal domain, Cleric with the Animal and Azata or Exploration domains, or Sorcerer with the Sylvan bloodline.

Realized this might be unclear.

You have to cast the spell (not from a wand) AND the spell needs to be on the list of the class that has the companion with Share Spells.

So if you want to cast Expeditious Retreat on your paladin's mount, you need to multiclass into a class that has Expeditious Retreat on their spell list and grants an animal companion (stacking levels from both classes to determine the strength of your companion/mount). Then you need to cast the spell yourself, not from a wand.

Or, Horseshoes of Speed.


Would the feat Unsanctioned Knowledge by pass that?


Thanks for the answers guys!

In any case, if I really want to move far I think technically I can still have the mount move/run using HIS movement and then just use a swift dismount when it ends its movement (and then use my own expeditious movespeed).

Unrelated aside: saddest discovery while researching how to use my mount was learning I can't give him skill focus UMD so he can use a wand. I really liked the idea of my horse running around with a wand in its mouth cure moderating everyone. Will have to settle for him tossing tanglefoot bags at people.


Parmadon wrote:
Would the feat Unsanctioned Knowledge by pass that?

Yea unsanctioned knowledge would work as long as it is one of the spells you chose, and you memorized it.

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