Let's build Luffy!


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I've seen requests before, but with the Bloodrager and the Abberant Bloodline, I think it's finally come close to having a shot.

Not quite sure how to go about it though, so here goes some spitballing.

Monk (Master of Many Styles)2/Fighter (Brawler) 4/Bloodrager 4

Feats:

Monk 1.) Power Attack, Lunge, Dragon Style
Monk 2.) Dragon Ferocity
Bloodrager 3.) Elemental Fist
Bloodrager 5.) Marid Style
Brawler 7.)Dragon Roar, Two-Weapon Fighting
Brawler 8.) Vital Strike
Brawler 9.) Improved Vital Strike
Brawler 10.) Devastating Strike
Brawler 11: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting

Magic Items required: Longarm Bracers

Not perfect, but kinda gets the point across sorta. I wanted to use Brawler (ACG class) as the other levels, but it wouldn't let me get Dragon Ferocity or Elemental Fist before 9th so I had to drop it.

Assume stat bonuses are a non-issue because that breaks it a bit.

So, Pros:

Reach. He's got a Natural 10 ft. Reach, and can go all the way to 15 ft. with Lunge. 20 ft. with Marid Style used to deal Cold damage (pretend it's Gear First or something) or with the Longarm Bracers, and a whopping 25 ft. reach with everything going at once. Good times.

Got a few of his techniques in there, most notably Bazooka/Axe (Vital Strike), Gatling (TWFing), and his Haki (Dragon Roar). Actually, I added the Haki as an afterthought but since that's post-timeskip maybe he could do with being higher level?

Cons:

He needs armor to survive, really, unless we're assuming he has natural 18's in Str/Dex/Wis and increase them with magic items. Which ties back into the main Con, like any PF character he needs gear to survive in an actual campaign.

Suggestions for improvement?


I feel like using a monk/fighter multiclass (especially because the Master of Many Styles monk forces Luffy to be lawful, which makes little sense) might not be the way to approach it. I'd suggest using the actual ACG Brawler as a baseline. (A high Wis monk also makes little sense for Luffy, as his Will save has been noted to be abysmal.) Some levels of barbarian might make sense.

Aside from that, reach is obvious. I might give him a longer reach than just 10 ft. The Deimavigga (Apostate Devil) from Book of the Damned #1 has an ability that lets it attack any space in its line of sight which I might use as a starting point for Luffy's abilities.

Rather than proper armor (though I think Luffy would indeed have a high Dex contributing to his AC) I would suggest that he has a significant amount of DR, potentially to the amount of DR all-damage/piercing or slashing (basically immunity to all bludgeoning damage, aside from that which pierces DR), and probably a good dodge bonus to AC in addition to his Dex bonus. Maybe a luck bonus to AC too. His Con is likewise probably ridiculously high, as he can take a huge amount of punishment.

Armament/Busoshoku Haki would be natural armor, as well as an ability to strike incorporeal (logia) opponents, or perhaps overcome a variety of types of DR.

Mantra/Kenbunshoku Haki would be an inherent dodge bonus.

Conqueror's/Haoshoku Haki would be an effect that overcomes an opponent's will save as a means of stunning them or outright knocking them out, similar to Color Spray, but on a grander scale.

Luffy would also have immunity to poison, though this is circumstantial (i.e. a result of what Magellan did) rather than something granted by his race or class. Alternatively, this could simply be represented by a high Fort save.


I think Eldritch Heritage (Aberrant) is one of the better possibilities to simulate being made of rubber, though it would probably need a tweak of some sort to be able to use the reach to make attacks.


Nah, he's not Lawful. He's an Ex-Monk. Brawler just doesn't work. Not enough Feats pull it off.

His Reach is a lot longer than 10 ft. (25 at max).

But yes, it's not a perfect Conversion. I was trying to stay within the bounds of class builds, though statting him up as a monster is quite an interesting idea.


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He is a member of what is referred to in-universe as the "Monster Trio". :P

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Gluttony wrote:
He is a member of what is referred to in-universe as the "Monster Trio". :P

I would put Zoro's strength in the 60's as a ball park guess, with Sanji not far behind.


What do you reckon the average weight of a house in Alabasta is? Plug that into the encumbrance rules and you'll find the minimum Str necessary for determining what it took for him to lift it over his head as he did.

...I have a feeling the point-buy necessary to build these characters is going to be ridiculous. Perhaps it'd be more prudent to assume the encumbrance rules are different in One Piece's world.


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I'd stat up devil fruit users as unique monsters (aberration or monstrous humanoid, probably), perhaps with a few class levels thrown in.

Also, a LOT of people in the One Piece world would have mythic tiers - it's arguably a "mythic is common" world, where any pirate ship worth respecting has at least a captain who's either at least somewhat mythic, a devil fruit user, or both.


Fair enough. Could be fun scavenging the books to see if any extant monsters have abilities that fit a bunch of them.


They're beyond mythic. Maybe mythic AND ridiculously statted up.

The Doriki system of rating strength just came to mind for me. Apparently an average soldier has a score of 10 (which makes this easy for Pathfinder conversion).

Rob Lucci has a score of 4000. Luffy beats Lucci, so lets assume he's on a similar level. Perhaps a bit lower in score, since he had trouble at first and won through determinator powers.

...That'd place Luffy's Str score in the high 3000s. His Str modifier is presumably somewhere around +1900 to +1950.

It's a whole different world from Golarion. No doubt about it.


I believe that wasn't strength in PF terms though, just overall raw combat ability. So, roughly, Lucci is worth about 400 regular soldiers in combat, which can line up pretty well with high levels + Mythic on someone with a high AC and a decent DR (5/- at least), able to kill multiple soldiers a round (especially with something like Whirlwind Attack thrown in...should probably be a Bonus Feat for people with the "One Piece Character" Template =p), but pretty much untouchable by them as well, with even lucky shots just pissing them off more often than not.

And he's probably FAR above Lucci by this point. I stopped reading soon after the Timeskip (end of the Fishman Island arc, went up to the start of the Punk Hazard arc...really should pick it back up) and at this point he could probably kill Lucci in a few well placed blows.


Jabra/Jyabura comments (in chapter 379) that Doriki is a measure of nothing but raw physical power, so I'd say it might actually be an accurate representation of a Str score.

If it's not however, Lucci is definitely worth more than a mere 400 soldiers. Earlier in the arc Luffy took down 500 soldiers with very little effort, so based on that Luffy's got to be worth significantly more than 500, and his struggles against Lucci would suggest that Lucci is worth even more than that.

...Which I guess means that Doriki score isn't additive? 400 people each with a score of 10 doesn't compare to a single person with a score of 4000. Makes a bit of sense I suppose. Hundreds of attacks against you each round means basically nothing if your opponent can only hit on the natural 20s or can't pierce your DR.

And then yeah, as you said, they're significantly tougher now. I'm sticking to calculations around Enies Lobby at the moment because that's where the Doriki system came up, and it's probably the most reliable measurement of power of those characters that we've got.


Going by the rules of mass combat, in Ultimate Campaign, a CR 14 can take down 1000 soldiers.

Something else to talk about. A strength score of 3000? 3000?! Are you trying to build Luffy or Silver Age Superman?


Eh, it's difficult. The only reliable measure of strength in the One Piece world that we've really gotten numbers out of has given us ridiculously huge numbers, but it sits on the same base point of average people having a score of 10 as Pathfinder does.

Only other explanation I can think of is that the Doriki system is on a curve, with lower Pathfinder Str scores close together on the Doriki scale, and higher Pathfinder Str scores having wider gaps between them. Certainly possible, but that makes the only numerical measurement of Str the One Piece world has ever given entirely useless, and forces us to use Pathfinder's encumbrance rules to determine his stats instead, which at best can only give us his minimum Str score by finding what the heaviest thing Luffy's ever lifted is.


Well, to be fair, MOST of these scales are useless. "Power Level" very quickly became meaningless in DBZ too.

I suppose we could attempt to reverse engineer a useful scale from the Bounties, since they're supposed to be a rough measure of how tough a crew member is...though even that's not perfect since Marines obviously don't have them, the Warlord's Bounties were frozen, stuff like Chopper's tiny bounty, etc.


Well based off of the numbers you were mentioning, comparing strength scores shouldn't be too difficult.

If Rob has 4000 and the average soldier has 10, that makes him 400 times stronger, right? Using the carrying capacity rules, every 10 points higher means you're 4 times stronger. Bumping your strength score to 53-54 can represent being around 400 times stronger than your average soldier.

Using Mythic rules, you can easily boost your carrying capacity with abilities like Display of Strength or Mules Strength.

This is just strength alone, though. I didn't even know the system you mentioned even existed. So I don't know if it's for strength only or not.


Well it's really just a measure of how dangerous a crew is (how much they're worth to the government to capture or kill). And it's not perfect. A normal guy who manages to do a buttload of property damage is likely to have a high bounty, but isn't personally very dangerous.

Silver Crusade

Rynjin wrote:

Well, to be fair, MOST of these scales are useless. "Power Level" very quickly became meaningless in DBZ too.

I suppose we could attempt to reverse engineer a useful scale from the Bounties, since they're supposed to be a rough measure of how tough a crew member is...though even that's not perfect since Marines obviously don't have them, the Warlord's Bounties were frozen, stuff like Chopper's tiny bounty, etc.

As far as bounties as a measure of power, not so sure that's accurate. If I recall that's discussed at some point while discussing the 11 supernovas that Kidd's bounty may be higher than Luffy's but that was in part that he was more willing to harm civilians. Of course that could be misremembering or just a translation error or something.


I remember Oda confirming it in one of the AMA pages in a fairly early volume, though I couldn't really quote you anything.

But I'm pretty sure even he said it's supposed to be a rough measure at best.


http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v21/c194/17.html - Here is Zoro lifting a house early in the Manga.

http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v59/c582/11.html Here Luffy tossing a huge rock/smallmountain

http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v66/c647/8.html Here is Luffy punching a hole into Arc Noah. That thing is huge http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v66/c647/5.html Pay attention how thick it's walls look.

Physically overpowering that giant Kraken etc. Even with mythic rules One Piece Feats are nigh impossible to replicate.

I'd stick with some normal Build. Maybe one could toss a few levels of Bloodrager in(could also simulate Gear 2) or take Eldritch Heritage to gain the Abberrant Bloodline for extra Reach.


I3igAl wrote:

http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v21/c194/17.html - Here is Zoro lifting a house early in the Manga.

http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v59/c582/11.html Here Luffy tossing a huge rock/smallmountain

http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v66/c647/8.html Here is Luffy punching a hole into Arc Noah. That thing is huge http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v66/c647/5.html Pay attention how thick it's walls look.

Physically overpowering that giant Kraken etc. Even with mythic rules One Piece Feats are nigh impossible to replicate.

I'd stick with some normal Build. Maybe one could toss a few levels of Bloodrager in(could also simulate Gear 2) or take Eldritch Heritage to gain the Abberrant Bloodline for extra Reach.

So with Mythic rules where you could potentially lift tens of thousands of tons, jump miles in the air, get strength checks up to or over 100, or send enemies flying up to 100 feet in a single attack regardless of their size and weight, Mythic still isn't enough?

I know the Kraken is big, but you know what I can overpower from just being high level and not mythic? This!

I wasn't able to see those links for some reason, though.


I can think of only one way to make this work ...

Think of the character's stats as only being relative to other 'big name' characters. So, say, someone with an 18 STR is slightly stronger than someone with a 16 ... but every unimportant thing or person in the universe is just a background element for the Name characters to obliterate.

A fireball might only do 20 damage to a Name Character ... but it reduces entire swaths of forest to ash in an instant. You might deal 1d8 damage with your weapon, but unless you're fighting in your weight class, that guy goes sailing off into the sunset through a wall or two.


Sure, maybe you're not able to recreate everything you see 100%, but it's not impossible like most people seem to think.

That was always my issue. Whenever someone sees something impressive from a video game, comic, show, or whatever, they are instantly beyond the power of anything that pathfinder or D&D is capable of. I didn't mind if at first because I know it's incorrect, but I've seen it so many times that it became one of my bigger pet peeves, haha.


I have a different build for luffy its a crossblooded bloodrager with abberrant and verdant bloodlines and eldritch heritage for shapechanger sorcerer bloodline.

The "verdant" is reflavored as rubber from trees.

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs431zl?Monkey-D-Luffy-build-help-to-polish


See my Leveled Mutations in homebrew. At higher levels they can bounce back bullets and inflate. I still had to dilute some of the powers. Otherwise it just becomes the Mutant show, like One Piece.

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