Paladin= game ruiners

[sword n' board]

In my group, one of the pcs is a paladin who uses detect evil constantly. my problem with this is that i cant have anybody to be evil without him knowing and killing him. so is there a way that i can prevent the paladin from ruining every quest with an evil person.

[XMorsX]

1st of all: He cannot actually detect evil auras of creatures of 4 HD or less.

2ndly: there is the spell Undetectable Alignment and the item Ring of Mind Shielding

3rdly: Just because someone rings as evil, does not mean it is killing material. There are cities that are governed by lawful-evil people, starting to slaughtering people just because they are ringing evil is generally an evil act just be itself. What a LG PC would do is trying to change his aligment, make sure you remind this at your paladin.

However, for the times that you want to keep the evil identity a surprise, there are spells and items that let you keep your aligmnet secret.

[rorek55]

sounds like a good paladin to me. No, if you have quests with evil quest givers that are asking them to do potentially evil things the paladin pretty much will smite them. Although, just because they ping evil is not a free mass homicide ticket.

[Beating A Dead Horse]

OOH a paladin thread

[Verteidiger]

Make a much more powerful evil character.

[sword n' board]

hey guys, i accidentally posted this thread twice. so could you post your comments here:

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qr72?Paladin-game-ruiners#9

[B.A. Ironskull]

XMorsX wrote:

1st of all: He cannot actually detect evil auras of creatures of 4 HD or less.

2ndly: there is the spell Undetectable Alignment and the item Ring of Mind Shielding

3rdly: Just because someone rings as evil, does not mean it is killing material. There are cities that are governed by lawful-evil people, starting to slaughtering people just because they are ringing evil is generally an evil act just be itself. What a LG PC would do is trying to change his aligment, make sure you remind this at your paladin.

However, for the times that you want to keep the evil identity a surprise, there are spells and items that let you keep your aligmnet secret.

Not sure where you get the '1st of all' rule- and I might be wrong, but I think paladins in Pathfinder have no HD restrictions on the ability. That said, the rest, OP, is gold. Use your resources to confound the paladin.

Is the paladin using detect evil in civilized lands and just chopping the poor evil sods down?

Many civilized lands consider that Murder, a punishable offense, entitlement or not.

To answer your question, maybe use some CN baddies. CN is almost-Evil; it's about as close to evil one can get without poking the hive.

[mswbear]

The paladin gets to use detect evil as a spell like ability at will. Him being a paladin doesn't change how it works. So the while 4 HD thing is totally valid.

[insaneogeddon]

sword n' board wrote:

In my group, one of the pcs is a paladin who uses detect evil constantly. my problem with this is that i cant have anybody to be evil without him knowing and killing him. so is there a way that i can prevent the paladin from ruining every quest with an evil person.

After he smites an old lady or child (or one disguised/polymorphed as something nasty with a suggestion to act suspicious cast on it)etc etc

and looses his paladin-hood he might think twice!!

Real evil is insidious after all. That kindly old lady and all the orphans in her orphanage... nothing like getting a paladin to kill them all and burn down an orphanage just because they detect as my puppet master evil gnome bard who likes a joke! Why so serious paladin?

I still miss the ole days when command was a command word of your choice- when the paladin brushed his horse down in the morning in his night shirt, or was training an aspiring youth the command: sodomise was always amusing.

MISDIRECTION
School illusion (glamer); Level bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one creature or object, up to a 10-ft. cube in size
Duration 1 hour/level
Saving Throw none or Will negates; see text; Spell Resistance no
By means of this spell, you misdirect the information from divination spells that reveal auras (detect evil, detect magic, discern lies, and the like). On casting the spell, you choose another object within range. For the duration of the spell, the subject of misdirection is detected as if it were the other object. Neither the subject nor the other object gets a saving throw against this effect. Detection spells provide information based on the second object rather than on the actual target of the detection unless the caster of the detection succeeds on a Will save. For instance, you could make yourself detect as a tree if one were within range at casting: not evil, not lying, not magical, neutral in alignment, and so forth. This spell does not affect other types of divination magic (augury, detect thoughts, clairaudience/clairvoyance, and the like).

[CalebTGordan]

Okay... posted it in the other thread.