paizo.com Recent Posts in getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurrypaizo.com Recent Posts in getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurry2014-02-24T21:42:21Z2014-02-24T21:42:21ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryDurngrun Stonebreakerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#382014-02-26T06:28:51Z2014-02-26T06:28:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">gourry187 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Ok so I keep reading about monk dipping and how flurry works and then it hit me ... I have had a multiclass monk/ fighter for a while and as I am about to hit a +6 BAB, I want to get a grip on the number of attacks and bonuses I have.</p>
<p>For simplicity I'm onlyhoin to use base BAB and not include any bonus/penalty from attributes and feats</p>
<p>Monk 1/Fighter 5
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BAB = +5 flurry +4/+4</p>
<p>Monk 2/Fighter 6
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BAB = +6/+1 flurry +5/+5/+0</p>
<p>Does that look right? </blockquote><p><a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9naz" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Should have just checked the FAQs!</a>gourry187 wrote:Ok so I keep reading about monk dipping and how flurry works and then it hit me ... I have had a multiclass monk/ fighter for a while and as I am about to hit a +6 BAB, I want to get a grip on the number of attacks and bonuses I have.
For simplicity I'm onlyhoin to use base BAB and not include any bonus/penalty from attributes and feats
Monk 1/Fighter 5
BAB = +5 flurry +4/+4
Monk 2/Fighter 6
BAB = +6/+1 flurry +5/+5/+0
Does that look right?
Should have just checked the FAQs!Durngrun Stonebreaker2014-02-26T06:28:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryMojorat (alias of Brett Hodge)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#372014-02-25T07:49:10Z2014-02-25T07:49:10Z<p>why do people make this stuff unnecessarily complicated? you take your BABfrom monk monk levels add your full monk level. this gives you your bab for flurry. you then add -2 to all attacks and oneextra attack at highest BAB. the math should not be confusing once you have identified your bab for the flurry its mechanicallly identical to twf as far as the math goes.</p>
<p>but as others have said it isnt actually twf you cant multiweapon fight with it. but thats a discussionn for another thread.</p>why do people make this stuff unnecessarily complicated? you take your BABfrom monk monk levels add your full monk level. this gives you your bab for flurry. you then add -2 to all attacks and oneextra attack at highest BAB. the math should not be confusing once you have identified your bab for the flurry its mechanicallly identical to twf as far as the math goes.
but as others have said it isnt actually twf you cant multiweapon fight with it. but thats a discussionn for another thread.Mojorat (alias of Brett Hodge)2014-02-25T07:49:10ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryJames Risnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#362014-02-25T07:01:46Z2014-02-25T07:01:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shimesen wrote:</div><blockquote> bab grants you 4 attacks because its 19/14/9/4, your flurry is still just 18/18. </blockquote><p>No
<div class="messageboard-quotee">gourry187 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Monk 2/Fighter 6
</p>
BAB = +6/+1 flurry +5/+5/+0</p>
<p>Does that look right? </blockquote><p>Monk 2/Fighter 6 when Flurry:
<p>Attack = +2 (Monk Level) +6 (Fighter BAB) - 2 = +6</p>
<p>+6/+6/+1</p>
<p>Edit: Seems this was cleared up after I loaded the page but before I responded.</p>Shimesen wrote:bab grants you 4 attacks because its 19/14/9/4, your flurry is still just 18/18.
No gourry187 wrote: Monk 2/Fighter 6
BAB = +6/+1 flurry +5/+5/+0Does that look right?
Monk 2/Fighter 6 when Flurry: Attack = +2 (Monk Level) +6 (Fighter BAB) - 2 = +6
+6/+6/+1
Edit: Seems this was cleared up after I loaded the page but before I responded.James Risner2014-02-25T07:01:46ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryTorbynehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#352014-02-25T05:39:44Z2014-02-25T05:39:44Z<p>Think of it as game balance or as a lack of rules to support multi armed characters, the same reason why there is no improved or greater multi-weapon fighting. It would make an ungodly over balanced character if you could flurry with each arm plus one extra hit just at level one. Even with the -1 penalty not much is surviving your five swings. Granted you can build characters that do things like this but usually not until the mid levels, around 7-10, and at that point there is enough other stuff going on that it's not as noticeably broken.</p>Think of it as game balance or as a lack of rules to support multi armed characters, the same reason why there is no improved or greater multi-weapon fighting. It would make an ungodly over balanced character if you could flurry with each arm plus one extra hit just at level one. Even with the -1 penalty not much is surviving your five swings. Granted you can build characters that do things like this but usually not until the mid levels, around 7-10, and at that point there is enough other...Torbyne2014-02-25T05:39:44ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryDurngrun Stonebreakerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#342014-02-25T05:13:02Z2014-02-25T05:13:02Z<p>Just to be clear:</p>
<p>Naturally four armed PC
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Monk level 1
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BAB +0</p>
<p>Can make one attack at +0 at 1x STR
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Can Flurry with two attacks at -1/-1 at 1x STR
<br />
Can multi-attack with one attack at -6 at 1x STR and three attacks at -10/-10/-10 at .5 STR (without feats)</p>
<p>Monk level 8
<br />
BAB +6/+1</p>
<p>Can full attack at +6/+1 at 1x STR
<br />
Can Flurry with four attacks at +6/+6/+1/+1 at 1x STR
<br />
Can multi-weapon attack with two attacks at +0/-6 at 1x STR and three attacks at -4/-4/-4 at .5x STR</p>
<p>Monk level 15
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BAB +11/+6/+1</p>
<p>Can full attack at +11/+6/+1at 1x STR
<br />
Can Flurry with six attacks at +13/+13/+8/+8/+3/+3 at 1x STR
<br />
Can multi-attack with three attacks at +5/+0/-5 at 1x STR and three attacks at +1/+1/+1 at .5x STR</p>Just to be clear:
Naturally four armed PC
Monk level 1
BAB +0
Can make one attack at +0 at 1x STR
Can Flurry with two attacks at -1/-1 at 1x STR
Can multi-attack with one attack at -6 at 1x STR and three attacks at -10/-10/-10 at .5 STR (without feats)
Monk level 8
BAB +6/+1
Can full attack at +6/+1 at 1x STR
Can Flurry with four attacks at +6/+6/+1/+1 at 1x STR
Can multi-weapon attack with two attacks at +0/-6 at 1x STR and three attacks at -4/-4/-4 at .5x STR
Monk level 15
BAB
...Durngrun Stonebreaker2014-02-25T05:13:02ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryDurngrun Stonebreakerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#332014-02-25T04:56:29Z2014-02-25T04:56:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shimesen wrote:</div><blockquote> I really don't want to get into another debate on the special line in mwf again, but the kasatha keeps brining it back into play. I would just like to point out that any creature with more than 2 hands can fight with all available hands as a full attack action. If a kasatha takes monk levels his flurry SHOULD modify his total attack modifiers for his attacks making all of them -1 at first level. Now weather he'd be granted the extra attacks from flurry at 8th and 13th, I'm still up in the air about, but using flurry shouldn't limit his total number of attacks in a full attack action to two because twf and mwf rules (not feats) are identical. </blockquote><p>Again, flurry of blows is its own ability. It has similar mechanics but is not connected to two weapon fighting or multi-weapon fighting. Flurry does not care how many hands you have. Flurry does only what it says it does. You get one extra attack at first level, two extra attacks at eighth level, and three extra attacks at fifteenth level. It cannot be combined with two weapon fighting or multi-weapon fighting.Shimesen wrote:I really don't want to get into another debate on the special line in mwf again, but the kasatha keeps brining it back into play. I would just like to point out that any creature with more than 2 hands can fight with all available hands as a full attack action. If a kasatha takes monk levels his flurry SHOULD modify his total attack modifiers for his attacks making all of them -1 at first level. Now weather he'd be granted the extra attacks from flurry at 8th and 13th, I'm...Durngrun Stonebreaker2014-02-25T04:56:29ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryShimesenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#322014-02-25T04:39:00Z2014-02-25T04:39:00Z<p>I really don't want to get into another debate on the special line in mwf again, but the kasatha keeps brining it back into play. I would just like to point out that any creature with more than 2 hands can fight with all available hands as a full attack action. If a kasatha takes monk levels his flurry SHOULD modify his total attack modifiers for his attacks making all of them -1 at first level. Now weather he'd be granted the extra attacks from flurry at 8th and 13th, I'm still up in the air about, but using flurry shouldn't limit his total number of attacks in a full attack action to two because twf and mwf rules (not feats) are identical.</p>I really don't want to get into another debate on the special line in mwf again, but the kasatha keeps brining it back into play. I would just like to point out that any creature with more than 2 hands can fight with all available hands as a full attack action. If a kasatha takes monk levels his flurry SHOULD modify his total attack modifiers for his attacks making all of them -1 at first level. Now weather he'd be granted the extra attacks from flurry at 8th and 13th, I'm still up in the air...Shimesen2014-02-25T04:39:00ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryDurngrun Stonebreakerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#312014-02-25T02:03:29Z2014-02-25T02:03:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shimesen wrote:</div><blockquote> ok, so what about a plain old monk kasatha? wouldn't it get 5 attacks with flurry at first level? </blockquote><p>No because flurry is it's own ability, not two weapon fighting or multi-weapon fighting. It merely uses similiar mechanics as two weapon fighting (extra attack for penalties to all your attacks) and that's why it references two weapon fighting.Shimesen wrote:ok, so what about a plain old monk kasatha? wouldn't it get 5 attacks with flurry at first level?
No because flurry is it's own ability, not two weapon fighting or multi-weapon fighting. It merely uses similiar mechanics as two weapon fighting (extra attack for penalties to all your attacks) and that's why it references two weapon fighting.Durngrun Stonebreaker2014-02-25T02:03:29ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryShimesenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#302014-02-24T23:25:31Z2014-02-24T23:25:31Z<p>ok, so what about a plain old monk kasatha? wouldn't it get 5 attacks with flurry at first level?</p>ok, so what about a plain old monk kasatha? wouldn't it get 5 attacks with flurry at first level?Shimesen2014-02-24T23:25:31ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryRynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#292014-02-24T23:12:01Z2014-02-24T23:12:01Z<p>Spell Combat And Flurry don't really mix. Spell Combat is a distinct Full-Round Action, not a Full Attack Action (even though it benefits from Haste).</p>
<p>As for a Kasatha, no you wouldn't. There is no "off-hand" for Flurry.</p>Spell Combat And Flurry don't really mix. Spell Combat is a distinct Full-Round Action, not a Full Attack Action (even though it benefits from Haste).
As for a Kasatha, no you wouldn't. There is no "off-hand" for Flurry.Rynjin2014-02-24T23:12:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryShimesenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#282014-02-24T22:51:41Z2014-02-24T22:51:41Z<p>But this still doesn't solve the problem of the flurry and spell combat. If you are using spell combat and making all of your attacks with the same weapon, why doesn't flurry count as one of those attacks? If your allowed 3 attacks with main hand (from bab) and one additional from flurry (also with that same hand), you arnt breaking any rules for spell combat. </p>
<p>Then again, I see the issue - the added attack from flurry is the same attack you are replacing with a spell. </p>
<p>I'm an idiot....its been a long day...</p>
<p>[Edit] but in the case of my character (a Kasatha) wouldn't I still be able to make my other two attacks (for my other two off-hands that I can now make using my main hand because im a monk)? I know this is really just a GM ruling at this point, but I'm curious. FYI I'm using mwf.</p>But this still doesn't solve the problem of the flurry and spell combat. If you are using spell combat and making all of your attacks with the same weapon, why doesn't flurry count as one of those attacks? If your allowed 3 attacks with main hand (from bab) and one additional from flurry (also with that same hand), you arnt breaking any rules for spell combat.
Then again, I see the issue - the added attack from flurry is the same attack you are replacing with a spell.
I'm an idiot....its...Shimesen2014-02-24T22:51:41ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryRynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#272014-02-24T22:18:04Z2014-02-24T22:18:04Z<p>Not a problem. Happens to everybody sometimes. =)</p>Not a problem. Happens to everybody sometimes. =)Rynjin2014-02-24T22:18:04ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryShimesenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#262014-02-24T22:16:08Z2014-02-24T22:16:08Z<p>Hmm...I see your point rynjin. I never saw it as being that simple I guess...I guess I just tend to overanalize.</p>Hmm...I see your point rynjin. I never saw it as being that simple I guess...I guess I just tend to overanalize.Shimesen2014-02-24T22:16:08ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryRynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#252014-02-24T22:07:34Z2014-02-24T22:07:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shimesen wrote:</div><blockquote><p> My conclusion doesn't invalidate the table because the table is only accurate if you never have levels in another class. </p>
<p>Flurry is its own special full attack action and cannot be combined with a normal full attack action, AFAIK. So the progression of added attacks from flurry do not get added into a normal full attack, and the same goes for the other way around. Unless I'm missing something. </blockquote><p>It says "one ADDITIONAL attack" as if using Two-Weapon Fighting.
<p>That's not ambiguous.</p>
<p>If you have 4 attacks, one additional attack makes that 5.</p>Shimesen wrote:My conclusion doesn't invalidate the table because the table is only accurate if you never have levels in another class.
Flurry is its own special full attack action and cannot be combined with a normal full attack action, AFAIK. So the progression of added attacks from flurry do not get added into a normal full attack, and the same goes for the other way around. Unless I'm missing something.
It says "one ADDITIONAL attack" as if using Two-Weapon Fighting. That's not
...Rynjin2014-02-24T22:07:34ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryShimesenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#242014-02-24T22:00:59Z2014-02-24T22:00:59Z<p>My conclusion doesn't invalidate the table because the table is only accurate if you never have levels in another class. </p>
<p>Flurry is its own special full attack action and cannot be combined with a normal full attack action, AFAIK. So the progression of added attacks from flurry do not get added into a normal full attack, and the same goes for the other way around. Unless I'm missing something.</p>My conclusion doesn't invalidate the table because the table is only accurate if you never have levels in another class.
Flurry is its own special full attack action and cannot be combined with a normal full attack action, AFAIK. So the progression of added attacks from flurry do not get added into a normal full attack, and the same goes for the other way around. Unless I'm missing something.Shimesen2014-02-24T22:00:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryDurngrun Stonebreakerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#232014-02-24T21:47:54Z2014-02-24T21:47:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">CKorfmann wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Shimesen wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Flurry states "as a full attack" and not "while making a full attack" which indicates that it is not in fact a normal full attack and thus should be treated as a seperate action.</p>
<p>I see what you guys are saying, and I'm glad to know that this is the general RAI, but I've never seen any ruling stating that flurry is NOT its own FAA.</p>
<p>If you guys are correct, then by all rights there is nothing stopping someone from combining flurry with spell combat because the added attack from flurry would still be an attack "you could normally make with a full attack" as spell combat states. But everything I've seen on other threads says otherwise. </blockquote><p>Take a look at the table. (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk) I see where you are coming from, but your conclusion would invalidate the table. I think you're reading too much into the RAW. I doesn't invalidate the normal attack progression.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">CKorfmann wrote:</div><blockquote> So that same character at Monk 2/Fighter 18 would have a BAB of +19/14/9/4 and would flurry at +18/18/13/8/3/-1, right? </blockquote><p>I'm counting two.
</p>
Your flurry BAB would be +18/+18/+13/+8/+3. Your four attacks from high BAB plus one extra attack from flurry for a total of five attacks, not the six you have listed. </blockquote>You're right. He would get the extra -1 attack the next time he gained +1 to his BAB though. </blockquote><p>Unless Pathfinder has changed it, you don't get a fifth attack from BAB.CKorfmann wrote:Shimesen wrote:Flurry states "as a full attack" and not "while making a full attack" which indicates that it is not in fact a normal full attack and thus should be treated as a seperate action.
I see what you guys are saying, and I'm glad to know that this is the general RAI, but I've never seen any ruling stating that flurry is NOT its own FAA.
If you guys are correct, then by all rights there is nothing stopping someone from combining flurry with spell combat because the...Durngrun Stonebreaker2014-02-24T21:47:54ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryCKorfmannhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#222014-02-24T21:39:52Z2014-02-24T21:39:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shimesen wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Flurry states "as a full attack" and not "while making a full attack" which indicates that it is not in fact a normal full attack and thus should be treated as a seperate action.</p>
<p>I see what you guys are saying, and I'm glad to know that this is the general RAI, but I've never seen any ruling stating that flurry is NOT its own FAA.</p>
<p>If you guys are correct, then by all rights there is nothing stopping someone from combining flurry with spell combat because the added attack from flurry would still be an attack "you could normally make with a full attack" as spell combat states. But everything I've seen on other threads says otherwise. </blockquote><p>Take a look at the table. (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk) I see where you are coming from, but your conclusion would invalidate the table. I think you're reading too much into the RAW. I doesn't invalidate the normal attack progression.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">CKorfmann wrote:</div><blockquote> So that same character at Monk 2/Fighter 18 would have a BAB of +19/14/9/4 and would flurry at +18/18/13/8/3/-1, right? </blockquote><p>I'm counting two.
</p>
Your flurry BAB would be +18/+18/+13/+8/+3. Your four attacks from high BAB plus one extra attack from flurry for a total of five attacks, not the six you have listed. </blockquote><p>You're right. He would get the extra -1 attack the next time he gained +1 to his BAB though.Shimesen wrote:Flurry states "as a full attack" and not "while making a full attack" which indicates that it is not in fact a normal full attack and thus should be treated as a seperate action.
I see what you guys are saying, and I'm glad to know that this is the general RAI, but I've never seen any ruling stating that flurry is NOT its own FAA.
If you guys are correct, then by all rights there is nothing stopping someone from combining flurry with spell combat because the added attack from...CKorfmann2014-02-24T21:39:52ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryShimesenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#212014-02-24T21:25:01Z2014-02-24T21:25:01Z<p>Flurry states "as a full attack" and not "while making a full attack" which indicates that it is not in fact a normal full attack and thus should be treated as a seperate action.</p>
<p>I see what you guys are saying, and I'm glad to know that this is the general RAI, but I've never seen any ruling stating that flurry is NOT its own FAA.</p>
<p>If you guys are correct, then by all rights there is nothing stopping someone from combining flurry with spell combat because the added attack from flurry would still be an attack "you could normally make with a full attack" as spell combat states. But everything I've seen on other threads says otherwise.</p>Flurry states "as a full attack" and not "while making a full attack" which indicates that it is not in fact a normal full attack and thus should be treated as a seperate action.
I see what you guys are saying, and I'm glad to know that this is the general RAI, but I've never seen any ruling stating that flurry is NOT its own FAA.
If you guys are correct, then by all rights there is nothing stopping someone from combining flurry with spell combat because the added attack from flurry would...Shimesen2014-02-24T21:25:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryZanThraxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#192014-02-24T20:58:00Z2014-02-24T20:58:00Z<p>Flurry works exactly like the TWF chain (one extra attack at 1st level, 2 at 8th, and 3 at 15th, and all attacks take a -2 penalty), except that you count the monk level as BAB instead of the monk's actual BAB.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">the rules wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action.</p>
<p>When doing so, he may make one additional attack, taking a –2 penalty on all of his attack rolls, as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat…</p>
<p>For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus from his monk class levels is equal to his monk level…</p>
<p>At 8th level, the monk can make two additional attacks when he uses flurry of blows, as if using Improved Two-Weapon Fighting … At 15th level, the monk can make three additional attacks using flurry of blows, as if using Greater Two-Weapon Fighting</blockquote><p>The final column of the monk table is just the results of the above with the math done for you. The table does not add any further rules beyond what the text of the ability says. It does not invalidate how iterative attacks work. If your BAB when flurrying is 16 or higher, then you have four iterative attacks, plus one, two, or three extra from the flurry, depending on what level of monk you are. This is true for a sixteenth level monk, and it's true for a fifteenth level fighter with a one level monk dip.Flurry works exactly like the TWF chain (one extra attack at 1st level, 2 at 8th, and 3 at 15th, and all attacks take a -2 penalty), except that you count the monk level as BAB instead of the monk's actual BAB.
the rules wrote:Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action.
When doing so, he may make one additional attack, taking a –2 penalty on all of his attack rolls, as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat…
For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's...ZanThrax2014-02-24T20:58:00ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryDurngrun Stonebreakerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#182014-02-24T20:42:39Z2014-02-24T20:42:39Z<p>Click my previous link. Flurry is a full attack.</p>Click my previous link. Flurry is a full attack.Durngrun Stonebreaker2014-02-24T20:42:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryShimesenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#172014-02-24T20:39:28Z2014-02-24T20:39:28Z<p>The problem I'm seeing (and in turn why I've always seen it the way I do) is that flurry is its own special full round action, not a normal full attack action. Because of this, it doesn't benefit from your extra attack made with a FAA. Full attack actions can't be combined with each other. You can't flurry of blows with spell combat for example. You also can not flurry of blows with a full attack action, because they are two sperate actions.</p>The problem I'm seeing (and in turn why I've always seen it the way I do) is that flurry is its own special full round action, not a normal full attack action. Because of this, it doesn't benefit from your extra attack made with a FAA. Full attack actions can't be combined with each other. You can't flurry of blows with spell combat for example. You also can not flurry of blows with a full attack action, because they are two sperate actions.Shimesen2014-02-24T20:39:28ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryDurngrun Stonebreakerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#162014-02-24T20:34:56Z2014-02-24T20:34:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">CKorfmann wrote:</div><blockquote> So that same character at Monk 2/Fighter 18 would have a BAB of +19/14/9/4 and would flurry at +18/18/13/8/3/-1, right? </blockquote><p>I'm counting two.
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Your flurry BAB would be +18/+18/+13/+8/+3. Your four attacks from high BAB plus one extra attack from flurry for a total of five attacks, not the six you have listed.</p>CKorfmann wrote:So that same character at Monk 2/Fighter 18 would have a BAB of +19/14/9/4 and would flurry at +18/18/13/8/3/-1, right?
I'm counting two.
Your flurry BAB would be +18/+18/+13/+8/+3. Your four attacks from high BAB plus one extra attack from flurry for a total of five attacks, not the six you have listed.Durngrun Stonebreaker2014-02-24T20:34:56ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryCKorfmannhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#152014-02-24T20:29:53Z2014-02-24T20:29:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:</div><blockquote> A second level monk would only get one extra attack with flurry. </blockquote><p>He only has one extra (+18). At Monk 6 with a BAB +4 his flurry shows on the chart as +4/4/-1. He is treated as if he has Two-Weapon Fighting.Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:A second level monk would only get one extra attack with flurry.
He only has one extra (+18). At Monk 6 with a BAB +4 his flurry shows on the chart as +4/4/-1. He is treated as if he has Two-Weapon Fighting.CKorfmann2014-02-24T20:29:53ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryDurngrun Stonebreakerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#142014-02-24T20:18:53Z2014-02-24T20:18:53Z<p>A second level monk would only get one extra attack with flurry.</p>A second level monk would only get one extra attack with flurry.Durngrun Stonebreaker2014-02-24T20:18:53ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: getting a grip on monk dipping and the number of attacks with flurryCKorfmannhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qq77?getting-a-grip-on-monk-dipping-and-the-number#132014-02-24T20:14:33Z2014-02-24T20:14:33Z<p>So that same character at Monk 2/Fighter 18 would have a BAB of +19/14/9/4 and would flurry at +18/18/13/8/3/-1, right?</p>So that same character at Monk 2/Fighter 18 would have a BAB of +19/14/9/4 and would flurry at +18/18/13/8/3/-1, right?CKorfmann2014-02-24T20:14:33Z