DTs and Shieldmates?


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I agree that the perk will have more impact if it was more of a flag that made you part of the "Shielmate Brotherhood", and anytime you partied with any other member of this Brotherhood, the perk would apply (for all party-members, flagged or not).

But isn't Ryan actually agreeing with this in his last post in this thread? That is what I thought.

The "any time two or more such characters are in a party" could be read as "two of the characters of that Shieldmated account are in a party" but that would be saying something like, "you better box with yourself in order to get the Shieldmate perk" and I do no think that is what Ryan wants.

So I am reading it is "any time two characters of *any* Shieldmated account are in a party together, the perk applies(to *any* shieldmate-enabled character in the party). I would prefer that even non-shieldmate marked characters in the party would get the perk but I guess that is not intended.

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from what i understand Joe and Bob are linked shieldmates. They party up and get a synergy. Smith has a shieldmate mark but is not linked to joe and/or bob. He joins the party, and because of the marks gets the synergy bonus.

However the next day Bob doesn't get online. Joe and Smith party up but because they are not the linked pair the synergy bonus is not activated.

Synergy applies to all marks in the party ONCE activated, however it can only be activated if the linked pair are in the same party, otherwise it is just nice decorations.

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Yes. However there was confusion about the actual implication of the Shieldmate mark because of this part in the Kickstarter description of Shieldmate:

Quote:
Characters on your Kickstarter accounts will bear the Shieldmate Mark. Any time two or more characters with the Shieldmate Mark are in a party, everyone with the Shieldmate Mark will gain a synergy bonus.

"Any time two or more characters with the shieldmate mark are in a party"

could easily read as *any* character that has the shieldmate mark.

It would have been much more clear if the description had read:

"Any time one of these shieldmate-pairs are in a party, everyone with the ..."

And then there was talk about what it would imply for Destinies Twin and how it would apply to the whole account, and how to invite, which confuscated the discussion imo.

So how would you interpret this quote from Ryans last post in this thread:

Quote:

The point of this perk being offered was to increase participation rates in the Kickstarter. It's essentially a "refer a friend" program. That is why the intention was monodirectional links - it is not designed to be a perk for backing the Kickstarter in general. It's designed to be a perk for getting someone else to back the Kickstarter.

I think it's mostly harmless if the mechanic is that all characters on accounts with the Shieldmate flag have Shieldmate marks, and any time two or more such characters are in a party all the characters with Shieldmate marks get the synergy bonus.

The intention of the Bonus was to pull a friend/acquaintance/someone over the line so PFO gets another backer(see Ryans last post). We all want that. However if the perk only applies if an actual Shieldmated *pair*(the inviter + invitee) has to be in the party, then the perk will apply much less frequent, since friends tend to stop playing. (See some math done earlier in the thread by Nightdrifter.)

Not only that, but some people already promised to Shieldmate someone they do not even know personally, because they wanted to help the KS and that person, and thought the Bonus had a wider implication, as per the above. If they had known the perk would only apply if the inviter+invitee are together in a party, they would have waited and given it to a friend they would actually play with.

People figured that the intention of getting people to join the game will work better if the Shieldmate Mark applies more widely, i.e. as per the above method of giving a perk when *any* of two characters that bear the Shieldmate mark are together in a party.

I think we have gone full circle now so I am done. :)

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BrotherZael wrote:

from what i understand Joe and Bob are linked shieldmates. They party up and get a synergy. Smith has a shieldmate mark but is not linked to joe and/or bob. He joins the party, and because of the marks gets the synergy bonus.

However the next day Bob doesn't get online. Joe and Smith party up but because they are not the linked pair the synergy bonus is not activated.

It sounds to me like Joe and Smith might get the synergy bonus.

I think it's mostly harmless if the mechanic is that all characters on accounts with the Shieldmate flag have Shieldmate marks, and any time two or more such characters are in a party all the characters with Shieldmate marks get the synergy bonus. That might actually make the programming less complicated too.

So consider that a reversal of intent from my previous comment, although I'll reserve the right to come back later and say that the designers intend to implement monodirectional links and I was wrong to suggest there would be a change.

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Pax Keovar wrote:
...'shieldmate' is just a perk for multiboxers...

I'm not sure I understand your statement. My brother and I will be Shieldmates, and when we party together we'll get a bonus (unless Ryan extends Shieldmate-bonus to not-pairs, in which case most of the whole discussion goes out the window); is that a valid counter-example to your thinking?

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Current plan is all characters in a party on a Shieldmark account get the Shieldmate bonus.

Subject to change, but that's the current plan.

Goblin Squad Member

Ryan Dancey wrote:

Current plan is all characters in a party on a Shieldmark account get the Shieldmate bonus.

Subject to change, but that's the current plan.

For the record, I think:

A "Shieldmate account" is either: 1) an account which has issued an Shieldmate invitation that was accepted; or 2) an account which received and accepted a Shieldmate invitation.

A "Shieldmate account" is not an account which is eligible to issue a Shieldmate invitation, but either has not done so or no such invitations were accepted.

Is that correct?

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Ok, I am going to read that as, when I party up with Nihimons shieldmate Robb, but not with Nihimon himself or my own shieldmate, Robb and I still get the bonus for being in a party together.

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Fulfillment tool shieldmate tooltip wrote:
Invite a friend with another Pathfinder Online account to be your shieldmate. Once the invitation is accepted, both accounts unlock a special bonus: All characters on both accounts gain the Shieldmate Mark. Any time two or more characters with the Shieldmate Mark are in a group, all characters with the Shieldmate Mark in that group gain a minor combat enhancement. You can only offer or accept one shieldmate invitation.

That pretty much confirms what Nihimon just said. Your whole account gets the Shieldmate Mark when you either issue an invitation that has been accepted OR you accepted an invitation yourself.

To get the party bonus, two characters need to have the Shieldmate Mark (it doesn't need to be you, nor a player from the account you invited).

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Shield mate is an account-level status, which is transitive to all characters.

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CaptnB wrote:
To get the party bonus, two characters need to have the Shieldmate Mark (it doesn't need to be you, nor a player from the account you invited).

I think that was a common understanding, but Ryan said something different upthread, then reversed himself a few posts later, so I think we're now back to this common understanding.

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Nihimon wrote:
CaptnB wrote:
To get the party bonus, two characters need to have the Shieldmate Mark (it doesn't need to be you, nor a player from the account you invited).
I think that was a common understanding, but Ryan said something different upthread, then reversed himself a few posts later, so I think we're now back to this common understanding.

Correct.

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