Can a lvl20 Wizard replicate the feats of the Judo-Christian god YHWH?

[Mort the Cleverly Named]

Additional castings stack. By my calculations the Wizard would just need to cast it 96,686,489,000 times to create the Earth, which he could do in a mere 66,223,623 years or so. Or instantly, if he could fine some way to cheese Augmented Mythic Time Stop and cast it and Permanency from items.

Did I mention this would require immortality?

[Odraude]

Kazandra wrote:

A JUDO-Christian God?

It reminds me of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, and makes me think he is in a grapple with several different opponents at once....and winning. xD

Sweep the leg, God-san!

[Ravingdork]

Aranna wrote:

An army of 20th level wizards are like tiny ants compared to God.

And I think that is being highly generous to the 20th-level wizards...

...but that doesn't mean we can't have a little creative fun. :P

[Tacticslion]

Tarondor wrote:

Tacticslion wrote:

A Man In Black wrote:

This is the worst idea for a thread in the history of bad threads.

Oh my, no. There are far worse ideas. This one is just very potentially problematic due to the possible offense it may generate.

Not -may-. It's very offensive.

But nobody cares about offending Christians. Right?

First, it's Christians and Jews. We started talking about the Old Testament (the Hebrew Bible) and have now moved on to the New.

Second, you clearly mistake me, sir, and take my statement in the wrong way.

I am a Christian - a very devout one, in fact.
As Paul once noted, I could go over my credentials, but that would probably result in nothing - no credentials are really "proof" of anything. Instead, I'll simply note that, as Fundamentalist, I accept the accuracy of scriptures to a degree that most - probably even most Christians - would find odd. I wholeheartedly believe that the only way to Heaven is through the grace by the sacrifice of the Son, that is Jesus. Just so we're clear where I'm coming from.

I have chosen not to be offended by this thread, though. Instead, I am taking it as an interesting exercise in how Pathfinder and its relative power levels compare to the general "strength" displayed by the miracles that I, personally, believe truly and literally happened as a sign of divinity.

In other words, I'm using this to measure the fantasy of Pathfinder, not the accuracy of the scriptures that I adhere to.

There is nothing in this thread that can threaten me or my faith. If anyone attempts to do so, they have clearly chosen to attempt something foolish - to engage me in a matter of faith over matters of a game. The latter will lose every time.

You are not necessarily wrong to find it offensive - that's entirely your choice, and I understand it.

However, if you read my earlier posts, you'll see that I, in fact, note that you can't perform the miracles of the Bible, presuming a standard PF universe and any reasonable limitations... the greatest of which is Time.

There are some ways around this (by excessive use of a mythic Timestop or Simulacra, perhaps), but ultimately, a wizard - any wizard - cannot compete in a one-to-one match with the miracles of the scriptures. The God of the Bible is far, far, far stronger, and there is nothing in PF that can compare to His personal power or come anywhere close to it.
Interestingly, even the most powerful elements in all of the d20 rules systems, the Epic Level Handbook combined with the Deities and Demigods, it's not really comprehensibly feasible to imitate the power of the God of All within the Judeo-Christian traditions - the numbers would get so large that it's impossible to comprehend, mathematically, much less to note on paper. The two "closest" comers are Pun-Pun and the Omnificer, and neither are quite there, either.

But similar effects can be generate in lesser scales. And that, to me, is interesting.

Aranna is entirely correct. But, as Ravingdork notes,

Ravingdork wrote:

...but that doesn't mean we can't have a little creative fun. :P

... which is how I take it.

Also, it helps me to realize just how powerful our God truly is. It's... really mindblowing; especially when you hear all these people referring to mages of all sorts as "gods" and "unbelievably powerful" and so on. Even the largest and most ridiculous powers we, as people, could think to ascribe to ourselves don't begin to cover the power of God (or any other part of Him).

And that's an awesome point to enter into the realms of worship.

[Ravingdork]

Amen!

[ericthetolle]

Aranna wrote:

No.

The area of effect of greater create demiplane cast at 20th level is 400 10' cubes. About the size of a small office building.

Scaling is arbitrary. The second Wish is for a universe at a scale of 10e^-9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999. Of course since this is a Wish outside of the normal boundaries of Wish, it goes horribly awry. Which explains the world we have today.

Quote:

God created the earth and heavens. God has an infinite area of effect. An army of 20th level wizards are like tiny ants compared to God.

Actually, properly phrased, Wish has an infinite area of effect- especially in 2nd. edition. Just be verrry verrry careful how you phrase things. Otherwise you end up with nipples for men.

[RJGrady]

I guess it depends. Is the entire universe the result of one modify memory spell cast on a 1st level commoner? If so, the problem becomes much simpler.

[Aranna]

There was an old rules list for wishes from a DVD set of old Dragon magazines. It made a lot of sense, one of the rules was "A wish is a 9th level spell and cannot create an effect greater than a 9th level effect."

[Buri]

I'm actually surprised to see this thread turned a tad religious.

[Mudfoot]

Buri wrote:

I'm actually surprised to see this thread turned a tad religious.

It was either that, paladins or how rogues suck.