Daenerys Targaryen


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My wife wants to play Daenerys in the Carrion Crown campaign I am running, so I was thinking some sort of summoner-type build would work. I was considering either Druid or Summoner as the class.

I've never really looked into spellcasters before, and definitely not summoners, so I wouldn't mind some advice.

As a secondary role, any kind of party buffing would also be helpful, as she prefers to not get up into melee herself. She likes to stay in the back, away from danger.

Sovereign Court

Either option should work but Druid will probably be easier. The eidolon can be really confusing rules wise.


I see two options:

- Vanilla Summoner having an Eidolon look like and emualting a dragon.

- From 3rd party, the Dragonrider, which is the only class I know that will let you actually have a true dragon and not an imitation. Despite how it seems, it is actually not overpowered at all, on the contrary it is weaker than the standard classes that use a mount. Unfortunately it is about a martial class so she is bound to get in the thick of battle along with her mount. It does have some spellcasting though.

Druid has nothing to do with dragons so I rejected it. Daenerys is all about dragons anyway.

Another interesting option is taking one lvl of dragonrider and continuing with an arcane bloodline sorcerer. This way you can continue boosting your mount (along with boon companion) and the character will not be a martial but a caster. As a result she should be able to stand back and support the group while the dragon wreaks havoc.

The same could be done with a ranger if your wife prefers to be a competent archer.

Silver Crusade

Ranger, Horse Lord archtype.


I dont think Dragon Rider would do. I think Sorcerer might work, using summon spells and support spells for the party. With the right bloodline, she could get fire immunity as well


As far as I can tell, Daenerys always has a dragon around. This is why I believe that Dragonrider 1 / Arcane Sorcerer 19 is probably the closest match. Remeber that the dragon rider class states that you can substitute your familiar progression with the dragon progression at your sorcerer lvl -2. Take Boon Companion and you are fine too.

A PC that does not have a dragon following around cannot be called Daenerys IMO. There is nothing else unique going on with her that translates in a combat style.

Although a tattooed dragonic sorcerer could dip one lvl of Dragon rider to have a proper dragon progression, along with boon companion of course, at the cost of one caster lvl. It is interesting though. The closest match I can see.


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An wild blooded arcane and draconian bloodline sorcerer would have both fire resistance and a familiar. You can reflavor any of the small flying familiars to be a little dragon that hasn't learned to use it's breath weapon. Later on you could take improved familiar and pick faerie or pseudo dragon as familiars. Not exactly Daenarys but close. A Druid might not be a bad idea either.


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A tattooed draconic sorcerer with improved familair for a faerie dragon is a decent alternative, that is true. But it would certainly be a lesser version of Daenarys.


Hm. 1 dragon rider followed by 19 sorcerer does seem good. Is there a bloodline I could take alongside arcane as a crossblooded that would grant fire immunity? Draconic and elemental both get it at 20th, but she wont get it with the level dip, even if the campaign does make it to 20th.


If you go mythic there's the mythic bloodline archmage ability.


Hm. I just noticed that none of the summon spells can summon dragons. Thats kind of surprising. So it looks like the only options are to reflavor an animal companion, familiar, eidolon, or take dragon rider.

Would there be any way to make the dragonrider route work with a bard instead of sorcerer?


Look, while there are no decent summons, there are decent "improved familiars" that are draconic; faerie dragons, pseudo-dragons, tidepool dragons, shadow drakes, etc...

You could take a tattoed sorcerer (gets a familiar) with the draconic bloodline (for fire immunity). Afterwards, if you want your familiar to become a bigger dragon, you can use "form of the dragon" on them.

However, this only kick off past level 10-ish, so it will be problematic. Dragonrider/bard would be cool, and I think there is an archetype that can take a familiar (sea singer). Could work. No fire immunity though.


Here is a way. It needs a lenient GM, but you are the GM and it is about your wife, right? :)

Take the Eldrich heritage feats foe the Arcane Bloodline, chose a familiar for your Arcane bond and substitute it for the dragon progression. The only issue is that is progresses with effective character level -2 from the feat and another -2 from the substitution for a totall of -4. With boon companion you will almost make up for that though. You still need one lvl in dragon rider but the rest can be bard. Look at the Chelish Diva archetype (make it a Westeros Diva), a great archetype. Alternatively the Savage Scald is a good archetype for inspiring rage into the dragon.

Start as a Human with Focused Study, take at your first lvl Skill Focus: Knowledge (whatever, probably arcana) and Lingering Performance. Second level should be Dragonrider (roleplay how she gains the dragon) and at 3rd lvl she should take Eldrich Heritage (Arcane) for the dragon progression. The feats should go like this:

1 Chelish Diva Skill Focus: Knowlege (Arcana), Lingering Performance
2 Dragon Rider
3 CD Eldrich Heritage (Arcane)
5 CD Boon Companion
7 CD Flagbearer
8 CD Skill Focus (Perform: Keyboard instruments)
9 CD Master Performer
11 CD Discordant Voice
13 CD Grand Master Performer
15 CD Improved Eldrich Heritage (Arcane)
16 CD Skill Focus (Perform: Sing)
17 CD Greater Eldrich Heritage (Arcane)
19 CD Improved Initiative

The aim will be to support at the best of her ability the team and her dragon. A banner of the old kings (how damn thematic is it?) is essential.

For the fire immunity she could add resist element or something similar from the improved eldrich heritage (new arcana).


I was actually just looking at using the Eldritch Heritage feat. Admittedly, that specific case isn't covered by the rules in Dragonrider, but I don't see any harm in allowing it. Especially because of the additional -2 level loss.

Bard is very fitting for Daenerys I think. She mainly just talks, but her talking inspires those around her to greatness.


RaizielDragon wrote:

I was actually just looking at using the Eldritch Heritage feat. Admittedly, that specific case isn't covered by the rules in Dragonrider, but I don't see any harm in allowing it. Especially because of the additional -2 level loss.

Bard is very fitting for Daenerys I think. She mainly just talks, but her talking inspires those around her to greatness.

It is very fitting indeed.


What is "Master Performer" and "Grand Master Performer"?


Faction feats.

Master Performer

Grand Master Performer

Along with flagbearer and the banner of the ancient kings they are amazing at raising the bonus granted by Inspire Courage.

Ignore or intergrate in your campaign the faction requirement.

The build I posted is actually not correct as I forgot the extra performance prereq. Here it is fixed.

1 Chelish Diva Skill Focus: Knowlege (Arcana), Lingering Performance
2 Dragon Rider
3 CD Eldrich Heritage (Arcane)
5 CD Boon Companion
7 CD Flagbearer
8 CD Skill Focus (Perform: Keyboard instruments)
9 CD Extra Performance
11 CD Discordant Voice
13 CD Master Performer
15 CD Grand Master Performer
16 CD Skill Focus (Perform: Sing)
17 CD Improved Eldrich Heritage (Arcane)
19 CD Greater Eldrich Heritage (Arcane)


Ok, those look pretty good, and I don't mind waiving the faction requirement. They seem like they should be regular feats anyway.

I think the feats I would do are slightly different though. In no particular order:

Skill Focus (Knowledge: Nobility)
Skill Focus (Perform: Oratory)
Skill Focus (???)
Eldritch Heritage
Boon Companion
Lingering Performance
Discordant Voice
Extra Performance
Master Performer
Grand Master Performer
Leadership
??? (Extra Performance again?)


Leadership can actually nab you a dragon

Spoiler:

Dragon, Young

With their varied natures and capacity for superhuman intelligence, it is perhaps unsurprising that adolescent dragons sometimes ally with humans long enough to be adopted as mounts, though the relationship is rarely one of subservience (except occasionally on the knight's part).

Dragons that serve as monstrous mounts are always young, and their various sizes means both Small and Medium knights may take them as mounts. Dragons usually only serve knights whose alignments match their own.

Cohort Level: A young dragon's effective cohort level equals its CR + 8. Dragons serving as cohorts do not advance via aging as normal dragons do, but by gaining class levels (typically in fighter or sorcerer).

A black Dragon wyrmling would be cohort level 11, which means it would be level 13 to attract. You could have a Rhamphorhynchus familiar, Then improved familiar to a Shadow Drake, Tidal Dragon, Faeries Dragon, or Pseudodragon (whatever you want), then a true dragon at 13, with your familiar filling in the role of one of the other smaller dragons, other than Drogo. Probably beg your DM to let you take Evolved familiar 4 times and get a breath weapon, even though thats not what the feat does by any means.


For the skill focus, take Oratory and Comedy instead. This way you cover Diplomacy, Sense Motive, Bluff and Intimidate. It is true that Oratory makes sense, while keyboard is irrelevant to the concept.

I see ehy you prefer nobility bu tit is an ultra useless knowledge. remeber that you will have at least one point in Knw: Nobility and you will be able to make checks, I suggest instead a spell focus with a decent mechanical benefit. Arcane is thematic as it covers dragons too.

Extra performance is a feat tax, you will never run out of performance rounds with lingering performance. Just take it once for the Master Performer feat tree.

Flagbearer is a really great feat that IMO should be taken asap. It has both strong mechanical benefits and lets you take the banner of the ancient kings, it is like it was written for Daenerys.

The truth is that I struggled a bit to keep in time every essential feat I judged neccesary. It will not be easy to change them and keep it as effective, except from what I mentioned above of course.


I'd rather use the Dragonrider dip to get a true dragon by giving up the familiar.


I wouldn't really want to take a feat, based around using a magic item, until I have that magic item in hand. If I drop the extra Extra Performance, I have a slot open that can be used for Flag Bearer once the item is had


i <3 Daenerys.

That's all I have to add to the thread, sorry.


RaizielDragon wrote:
I wouldn't really want to take a feat, based around using a magic item, until I have that magic item in hand. If I drop the extra Extra Performance, I have a slot open that can be used for Flag Bearer once the item is had

Fair enough, but the Banner of the Ancient King is a cheap enough item to be bought pretty early and the Flagbearer feat is useful even without the flag.


Get a copy of the book of drakes by open design, there is a draketamer class in there.

It is an alternate summoner really but well done, the book also has some drake companions that are interesting and spells that fit the theme.


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Broodmaster summoner to get multiple little dragons?


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Mh that´s really interesting.

Probably Daenerys doesn´t fit any Pathfinder Class, since it´s kind of a low magic world. Let´s analyze what she can do and got:

-Stunning Looks
-royal blood making her (nearly) immune to fire
-holds great speeches to encourage people
-good at diplomacy and negotiating
-knows several languages
-Drogo as first "Companion"
-then dragons as companions
-not seen fighting herself

I would indeed recommend a CHA focussed class there that doesn´t directly fight and has access to some magic.
Either a sylvan sorcerer could be good or a bard. Bard has the animal speaker class, which allows a bard to summon and handle animals.
Not the big deal though.

Probably either leadership or getting a companion through animal ally feats can do the deal. In Pathfinder you don´t get a dragon though, so you would have to houserule that and i recommend you taming them a bit.


Each of these dragons needed to be treated separately, but it can work. At first they are all just going to be little dragons and aren't going to be very different or useful, but as you go up in level, they will each take on different roles.

According to this, Pseudodragons cost 200 GP.

Take the Wealthy Parents or Princess trait, and just buy two as gear.

Then, max out Diplomacy, treat them as NPCs and earn their full devotion over time.

There's no reason they even need to be familiars or anything yet. Just allies.

Dragon 1, the bruiser:

Be a Dragonrider, as mentioned above. Take the Huntmaster and Boon Companion feats to boost your Dragon's power and allow some multi classing so you can do the Chellish Deva thing, as previously mentioned.

This allows you to take up to 5 levels of Bard before your bruiser dragon starts dropping behind the power curve. (i'd recommend only taking 4 though. That +1 from Huntmaster is pretty amazing with Dragonrider)

This is your big one, and will be the only one which can actually breathe fire naturally.

Dragon 2, the scout:

At 3rd level, take the Squire feat (altered slightly to make one of your pseudodragons a little tougher. A few levels in Ranger will make this guy a great scout and an able combatant. At 7th level, graduate Squire to Leadership to boost your scout dragon even more.

Dragon 3, the trickster:

Take Eldritch Heritage to pick up a Familiar via Arcane Bloodline. Then take Improved Familiar. At 7th level, your pseudodragon ally magically becomes a faerie dragon familiar.

Have this one max out Use Magic Device and give it lots of wands and potions. Have it act as a support caster.

That's it. Nothing more is needed.

7th level is when this build really comes together, for obvious reasons.

You can make your smaller dragons more dragon-ish by investing in things like Potions of Firebreathing.

You'll want to max out Use Magic Device and pick up wands/potions of various Buff spells yourself because you'll have two companions with Share Spells. Also, its great just to have lots of trinkets to give you more options. It will give you things to do when you're standing back and maintaining Bardic Performance.

As far as progression goes, I recommend the following:

1st) Dragon Rider (take Boon Companion and Skill Focus Knowledge Arcana as your 1st level feats)
2nd) Chellish Diva
3rd) Chellish Diva (take Squire)
4th) Chellish Diva
5th) Chellish Diva (take Eldritch Heritage)
6th) Dragon Rider
7th) Dragon Rider (take Huntmaster. Squire changes to Leadership)
8th+) Continue Dragon Rider. (take Evolved Familiar at 9th level to give your Familiar a +8 bonus on Use Magic Device with its Evolution points)

Past that, take whatever feats you want.

Dark Archive

Good ideas here.

She doesn't have to be human.

Bear in mind she barely thinks she is herself. She is Targaryen, blood of dragons! She may be nicer than most of her family but she still thinks she is better than anyone else and destined. Sure she is genocidally insane but she is also kind of right and one of the good guys.

Make her an Aasimar. Give her white hair and fire resistance from the alternate traits, chop a few around.

Dany IS special. And so is your darling wife.


Is there a bard archetype or prestige class that foregoes spellcasting for more/ better bardic performance? My wife is new to tabletop rpgs, and I would rather keep her character a little simpler. Activating inspire courage and keeping it going is pretty simple. If there was something else she could do every turn that was mainly just a general party buff, that would be good. I just dont think she would be interested in keeping up with what all her spells do, and would just not end up using them.


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Nope. All bards have spells.

That being said, they tend to have very small spell lists, especially in the early game (1st level bards know 3 spells)

If you pick her spell list for her, and make them good, easy to understand spells, she should have no problems.

For this character I recommend Cure Light Wounds, Feather Fall and Ear-peircing Scream.

Sczarni

Keep in mind she doesn't start with dragons. Until she is married off, she doesn't even have eggs. Even then it is quite a bit of life before they hatch, then a good long time before the dragons are a threat. No need to get everything at level 1.


Aristocrat up to lvl 7, CHA as highest stat, grab Leadership and get a dragon cohort. Done.

Ruyan.


Davick wrote:
Broodmaster summoner to get multiple little dragons?

Exactly what I was thinking.

I'm really disappointed that more people haven't mentioned it, since it seemed so obvious to me.


At comparable levels, which would be more useful in combat: the dragonriders single mount or the broodmasters eidolon(s)?


RaizielDragon wrote:
At comparable levels, which would be more useful in combat: the dragonriders single mount or the broodmasters eidolon(s)?

If you can, I'd really look into the book of drakes. The dragontamer is practically inspired by Daenerys. There is a lady on the cover with three small drakes. Can't say I have playtested it but the book seems to be good quality. It also allows you to summon drakes and other dragon related abilities.


Closest to her would probabally be a Broodmaster Summoner. If you want only one dragon, just go vanilla summoner.


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Broodmaster summoner with Eldritch Heritage feats and Improved Familiar for a Faerie Dragon familiar - closest to Core that I can think of.


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Okay, here is how I would emulate Daenerys' career as an effective adventurer. Start her out as an ifrit with the Fire in the Blood alternate racial trait. For class, make her a plain vanilla summoner with a biped eidolon (her warrior husband) for the first seven levels. When she reaches 8th level, her "husband" is killed during downtime and she retrains to the broodmaster archetype, at which point she can arrange to have three quadruped eidolons, one size Medium and two size Small (she could instead have two size Small eidolons as early as 2nd level if she does not feel the need to have all three dragons at once -- maybe one of them is just not effective in combat before 8th level?). She can bump them all up one size category at 13th level.

For spells, have her focus on spells that heal and buff her eidolons, or pick a 3rd party archetype that exchanges spells for further boosts to the eidolon's power -- I think Necromancers of the Northwest came up with one that would be suitable.


Ok, had to find someone at our FLGS to borrow Book of Drakes from.

Drake Tamer does look pretty interesting. Allows for summoning dragons (well, drakes, but practically the same), which no other class can do. Also get's a dragon(drake) companion, so that's cool.

So, if the Drake Tamer takes a dip in Dragon Rider, then takes Eldritch Heritage (arcane) + Boon Companion, she'll have a level-equivalent Dragon Mount, then can get the Drake Tamers drake companion at almost full power (only 19 levels instead of 20), then can also take the Willful Companion Drake for ANOTHER drake. So, she can end up with 3. The last one will just start to get expensive.

Are there any suggestions for off-setting the 1GP/HD/day of the Willful Companion Drake?

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