How does one report abuse?


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I just had a player quote PFS rules, and then some posts on the boards that support his interpretation of the rules. None of the posts on the boards were from official sources,, and no consensus was come to. I read the rules and the posts, told him I didn't agree with his interpretation, game him my more conservative interpretation.

I was told I was being a dick and that I should be reported for not following the PFS rules. So I am reporting myself. I did not follow his interpretation of the rules. How should I be punished?

Dark Archive

Now that is funny.


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You are punished by that player not liking your judgement.

I hope you can live with yourself

Shadow Lodge

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You should be punished by forcing yourself to drink this player's delicious tears.

Liberty's Edge

I do believe the leadership will revoke your GM privileges for that kind of infraction.


Joshua Goudreau wrote:
I do believe the leadership will revoke your GM privileges for that kind of infraction.

How? Do they come find you and tip your table over when you DM a game and steal your dice?

Organizers can stop you from GMing for them, but you can organize things yourself.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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Finlanderboy wrote:
Joshua Goudreau wrote:
I do believe the leadership will revoke your GM privileges for that kind of infraction.

How? Do they come find you and tip your table over when you DM a game and steal your dice?

Organizers can stop you from GMing for them, but you can organize things yourself.

I think I heard a whooshing sound.

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GM Hands of Fate wrote:

I just had a player quote PFS rules, and then some posts on the boards that support his interpretation of the rules. None of the posts on the boards were from official sources,, and no consensus was come to. I read the rules and the posts, told him I didn't agree with his interpretation, game him my more conservative interpretation.

I was told I was being a dick and that I should be reported for not following the PFS rules. So I am reporting myself. I did not follow his interpretation of the rules. How should I be punished?

Report to your VC for a stern lashing, drop and give them thirty... or twenty... or five... then take a lap (or even two, just to be safe), and promise to never ever ever do it again. Note that the last bit only applies if your fingers are crossed behind your back.

Grand Lodge

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YOU SHALL BE MADE TO SIT IN THE COMFY CHAIR!


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Finlanderboy wrote:
Joshua Goudreau wrote:
I do believe the leadership will revoke your GM privileges for that kind of infraction.

How? Do they come find you and tip your table over when you DM a game and steal your dice?

Organizers can stop you from GMing for them, but you can organize things yourself.

In the words of a dude I used to work with, "That didn't go over your head--that went over your house."


Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Finlanderboy wrote:
Joshua Goudreau wrote:
I do believe the leadership will revoke your GM privileges for that kind of infraction.

How? Do they come find you and tip your table over when you DM a game and steal your dice?

Organizers can stop you from GMing for them, but you can organize things yourself.

In the words of a dude I used to work with, "That didn't go over your head--that went over your house."

really?

I know people locally that have threatened that they will get PFS leadership to ban you for x, y, or z.

In text you can not pick sarcasism.

So umm yeah thanks for that.


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The Exchange 5/5

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refund 50% of your pay...

???

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Finlanderboy wrote:
Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Finlanderboy wrote:
Joshua Goudreau wrote:
I do believe the leadership will revoke your GM privileges for that kind of infraction.

How? Do they come find you and tip your table over when you DM a game and steal your dice?

Organizers can stop you from GMing for them, but you can organize things yourself.

In the words of a dude I used to work with, "That didn't go over your head--that went over your house."

really?

I know people locally that have threatened that they will get PFS leadership to ban you for x, y, or z.

In text you can not pick sarcasism.

So umm yeah thanks for that.

This entire thread is dripping so full of sarcasm, I'm not sure how you didn't get it.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Starfinder Superscriber

As the player in question, I would like to correct a couple of points in the original post that are factually incorrect.

(1) I did not tell the GM he was being a dick.

(2) I did not say I was going to report the GM to the VOs

(3) In fact, if you read the message board threads in question, there is a consensus, even though campaign leadership hasn't explicitly come by to bless that consensus.

I did say I was going to withdraw from the game. That may seem extreme, but really, the situation was that as a player, I thought the GM was making a ruling at odds with standard PFS rules that put my character at a disadvantage. As such, I was going to choose not to play at that table. I doubt most people would dispute the right of players to choose not to play at a table if they disagree with a GM's rulings before the game starts. (And, indeed, I did feel a little dickish pulling out of the game after the (online) table was put together, but it was myself I was saying was looking like a dick, not the GM, as the OP incorrectly states.)

If anybody in question interested in the actual question that came up, here's a post where I request clarity. If you read that whole thread, you'll see that in fact there is broad consensus on the matter.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

There isn't a need for clarity.

The rule is quite clear. You can choose to "rent" an NPC spellbook for 1/2 the cost of scribing a particular spell.

You don't need to roleplay finding the NPC wizard.

you don't need to make that NPC wizard friendly.

You just need to tell your GM what you are purchasing, how you are purchasing it, and mark it on your ITS sheet.

That's it.

There is no ambiguity. There is no room for wiggling.

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rknop wrote:


If anybody in question interested in the actual question that came up, here's a post where I request clarity. If you read that whole thread, you'll see that in fact there is broad consensus on the matter.

This seems like a relatively minor rules dispute - it affects your character outside of the adventure for the most part. I would suggest in the future that for issues like this, it's best to just agree to disagree and play under that GM for the adventure. You can always choose to scribe new spells on your next adventure (under a different GM).

I have found that usually when I disagree with a GM it is best to let it go. If it is a clear rules error, bring it up (because you can point to a spot in the PRD that supports your position). But if it is disruptive to the game, and won't have a major impact (affect the outcome of the adventure, character death, faction mission success), it's not worth interrupting the game or walking away from a table. You can always have a discussion after the session if you think it warrants it.

tl;dr: Pick your battles.

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Starfinder Superscriber

Yeah, I could have just waited to get additional spells. The character did just reach 5th level, and this was the first chance to buy 3rd level spells; I wanted to have a few in there, and the cost difference is pretty significant for 3rd level spells. I wasn't going to fight it at great length; but, the cost difference was enough that I decided it made more sense just to pull out of the game (which hadn't started yet) rather than take the money hit.


grandpoobah wrote:

tl;dr: Pick your battles.

While I agree sometimes if you find DM making crazy choices in the beggining. They usually get worse.

When the DM said the rules in the books do not matter becayse they apply different to monsters when i was playing bonekeep should have caused me to walk away.

Grand Lodge

It is interesting how these threads so often go black and white.

The biggest problem with these boards and differing opinions is that you don't always have all circumstances.

Let's start about what is clear:

Can you write spells 1 1/2 scribing cost?

Yes - between adventures. You approach the GM after the game and he signs it off.

Can you do the same while an adventure already has started?

This is a completely different question !!!

I would always allowso before the briefing. After the briefing I would make it dependent on circumstances. You are woken up by Drendle Dreng after midnight - no chance in hell - the clock is ticking - no time for hours of scribing. You are in the Grand Lodge and have half a day to prepare before boarding a ship - off course.
You are somewhere else with no lodge around - maybe.

So I can't comment as I don't have all information.

Liberty's Edge

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Andrew Christian wrote:
Finlanderboy wrote:
Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Finlanderboy wrote:
Joshua Goudreau wrote:
I do believe the leadership will revoke your GM privileges for that kind of infraction.

How? Do they come find you and tip your table over when you DM a game and steal your dice?

Organizers can stop you from GMing for them, but you can organize things yourself.

In the words of a dude I used to work with, "That didn't go over your head--that went over your house."

really?

I know people locally that have threatened that they will get PFS leadership to ban you for x, y, or z.

In text you can not pick sarcasism.

So umm yeah thanks for that.

This entire thread is dripping so full of sarcasm, I'm not sure how you didn't get it.

No, I'm serious. PFS leadership will fly someone out from Washington to your event (this is is double rude in home games because they don't knock), demand a copy of your GM card, and tear it up in front of everyone. If you have a second infraction they will do the afore-mentioned table flip.


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grandpoobah wrote:
This seems like a relatively minor rules dispute - it affects your character outside of the adventure for the most part.

I agree. It's certainly not something I would've cared about as a player.

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I would suggest in the future that for issues like this, it's best to just agree to disagree and play under that GM for the adventure.

i disagree. Every player is free to prioritize aspects of their experience, and I am actively delighted to see someone standing up for his (or her) priorities by simply saying, "I'll pass, then." If everyone acted like that kind of adult, 90% of the conflict on these boards would exist only in theory.

OP wrote:
sarcasm

Would you care to comment on the disparity between your initial post and the report by the player in question? This thread seemed like it was going to be fun, but if the followup is accurate, you've made us all complicit in your attempt to mock someone for doing the right thing, which I find distasteful.

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Seems that when it's a player starting a thread and honestly asking what to do about something they think their GM got wrong, people quickly point out the correct course of action and caution against any public "airing of dirty laundry". But when instead it's a GM coming out for the sole purpose of publicly demonizing and mocking a player, there are folks who happily jump right onto the public-mockery bandwagon without even asking what happened.

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Locking. Let's not do this thing, please. On topic: reporting abuse should be directed at your local Venture Officer or Mike Brock at mike.brock@paizo.com.

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