a question about playing an adventure path for Society credit


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Dark Archive 2/5

The Guide says you can play an adventure path under rules that are not society legal and receive credit as if you are playing a pre gen character. Can you stretch a point on this and run a adventure path under a different rule system other than Pathfinder and get credit for it. I have a desire to run an entire adventure path using Savage Worlds and it would be easier for me to get players if they new there was a chronicle sheet in it for them

Liberty's Edge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

Forgive me for asking, but if you're anti-PFRPG to the extent that you're willing to convert an entire campaign, why are the chronicles of any value anyway?

Liberty's Edge

I would imagine that there is nothing wrong with doing this. Though I am curious if there is an official ruling. I have been known to convert adventures over to other systems, such as my conversion of Feast of Ravenmoor to World of Darkness.

Pathfinder isn't the only game I play and sometimes I really enjoy the tweaking and conversion.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Hawkwing wrote:
The Guide says you can play an adventure path under rules that are not society legal and receive credit as if you are playing a pre gen character. Can you stretch a point on this and run a adventure path under a different rule system other than Pathfinder and get credit for it. I have a desire to run an entire adventure path using Savage Worlds and it would be easier for me to get players if they new there was a chronicle sheet in it for them

Basically certain adventure paths have PARTS of them sanctioned for PFS play. Which means that bits of the AP are ripped out and set up as creditable as individual modules, not the entire AP.

Quite frankly, players who'd only show up because they're getting a PFS chronicle to apply to their other characters aren't the folks I'd want to GM an AP for.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

So everyone's clear, the Guide says this:

Quote:
Alternatively, if you are participating in a Pathfinder Adventure Path with an ongoing group undertaking the entire, six-book campaign, you may receive credit for playing the sanctioned portions of the adventure as if you had played a pregenerated character. In this case, GMs running the Adventure Path are not bound to the rules of the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign (such as 20 point buy, unavailability of hero points, etc...) when running the campaign or the sanctioned portion of the adventure. Pathfinder Society characters and characters from an ongoing Adventure Path campaign may not play in the same adventure.

There's nothing there that explicitly says you can't change game system. But if you're not using the Pathfinder RPG, is it still a Pathfinder Adventure Path? ;-)

Dark Archive 2/5

Paz wrote:
Forgive me for asking, but if you're anti-PFRPG to the extent that you're willing to convert an entire campaign, why are the chronicles of any value anyway?

I'm not anti PFRPG, I regularly run society games I some times enjoy a change. i have regularly run adventure for systems they were not originally written for as you often a interesting and rewarding experience. A good story/adventure should work for any system.

Some of my potential players actively play in PFS games but like to play other systems as well but playing a whole adventure path is a major time commitment and getting some society credit would be nice

In the absence of any official reply i will assume this is ok

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Online aka IronHelixx

Honestly - story wise & mechanically - Savage Worlds lends itself quite well to PF APs. Jerrod Gunning, of Sin City Savages, has converted material to SW with excellent results. (And playing the AP, if played in campaign mode, tells the full story, and gives the full experience, regardless of the system.)

As far as the PFS legality of that - I am not certain either way. My gut tells me that was not the intent of the rule though. Hopefully someone like John or Mike, et al, will drop by clarify for you.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Online aka IronHelixx

PS - Just to kind of illustrate the can of worms that could open and why it will most likely not be legal for PFS credit...

If Savage Worlds was allowed - what would keep someone from using Amber Diceless and claim PFS credit?

Or for that matter, as ridiculous as it sounds, what if someone said they used WOD LARP rules to complete Carrion Crown?

If they allowed one rule-set they would have to allow them all.

The boons, items, gold rewards, XP and Prestige on a chronicle are assumed to be earned at a certain challenge rating in the PFRPG ruleset. Outside of the ruleset there is no way to make sure that a similar challenge was applied. (I realize in a PF campaign outside of the PFS "House Rules" a GM could change the power of the encounters anyway, but the experience is likely going to be similar if the PFRPG ruleset is used, in most cases.)

Anyway - just food for thought.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Well the rule does say that you don't have to use PFS specific rules. Presumably that means system as well, but not sure why a PFS but would want to do something quite different from PFRPG.

Dark Archive 4/5 5/5 Venture-Agent, Australia—QLD—Brisbane aka YogoZuno

I think this is an example of being better to ask for forgiveness than permission...

If you were to go ahead and run the game in SW, and hand your players PFS chronicles, who is going to later question whether or not those chronicles were earned playing Pathfinder or not? It's not like you're just giving them certs and NOT running them through the AP.

The players will still know all about the AP, and would still be unable to really play through it again. What's the difference which rules they used to play it?

Dark Archive 2/5

Carrion Crown as a LARP ? What an excellent idea

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento aka FLite

Jesse Davis wrote:

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Or for that matter, as ridiculous as it sounds, what if someone said they used WOD LARP rules to complete Carrion Crown?

Explain to me again why we are discouraging this?

(Hmm... and it just says "participate in" so NPCs, assuming they stayed for the whole event, would get pfs credit too.... On the other hand the rules for pregens says that if the pregen dies, the character it is attached to dies... That would be the most death averse NPCs ever. Might make it *really* interesting.)

Shadow Lodge

It's a really strange request, but to be honest, the idea alone makes me more interested in wanting to try something like this - where I'm usually opposed to playing in APs at all.

If we're talking about playing by the intent of the rules, the biggest argument against is that the rule only seems to illustrate strict PFS rules vs Pathfinder houserules. It's a pretty big call to say they can be run in a whole new system, regardless of compatibility.

But then if everyone's had fun with a Pathfinder product, the Paizo crew might not mind, either.

5/5 5/55/5 Venture-Captain, Germany—Hamburg

I think if this results in a bunch of players who only played Savage Worlds up to that point joining PFS, I don't see any reason why it should be discouraged.
It does sound strange at first, but it effectively brings more people into the PFS campaign.

Oh, and if anybody actually ran an AP using LARP rules, I think that would really be awesome. Sound's difficult, though. But given enough money and space, I suppose it would be possible to build Sandpoint, for example. :P

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento aka FLite

There are apparently some Israeli larps, where you have to NPC 3 games for every one game you play as a PC. And there are some European Larps that take over whole castles for a weekend. They could probably pull this sort of thing off.

5/5 5/55/5 Venture-Captain, Germany—Hamburg

Sure, if they wanted, they might be able to pull it off. I know those events have lots of players and NPC. But unfortunately, those players mostly just play within their ruleset's world and aren't interested in Pathfinder (at least not as a LARP when there are lots of rulesets already in use). :(

Also, LARP at castles, forests, or similar locations can be quite expensive, they even charge the NPCs (a typical LARP in Germany can cost about 100 €, not including food. And you'll have to get there somewhere, which isn't free either.)

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Online aka IronHelixx

Mike Brock has now spoken on the topic - looks like that you can run the AP in campaign mode using a different system:

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qpm5?Running-AP-in-a-different-system#8

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