Buccaneer's Grit (Ex): Question


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Paizo SRD wrote:
Grit (Ex): Like the sea itself, a buccaneer is a force of nature. Instead of using her Wisdom modifier to determine the number of grit points she gains at the start of each day, she uses her Charisma modifier. This ability works in all other ways like the gunslinger's grit class feature.
Paizo SRD wrote:
Grit (Ex): A gunslinger makes her mark upon the world with daring deeds. Some gunslingers claim they belong to a mystical way of the gun, but it's more likely that the volatile nature of firearms simply prunes the unlucky and careless from their ranks. Whatever the reason, all gunslingers have grit. In game terms, grit is a fluctuating measure of a gunslinger's ability to perform amazing actions in combat. At the start of each day, a gunslinger gains a number of grit points equal to her Wisdom modifier (minimum 1). Her grit goes up or down throughout the day, but usually cannot go higher than her Wisdom modifier (minimum 1), though some feats and magic items may affect this maximum. A gunslinger spends grit to accomplish deeds (see below), and regains grit in the following ways

First off, I have copied and pasted these lines from the Paizo SRD purely for them to be read as they were written and so that everyone is on the same page! If this question has been answered already then I apologise, my Google-Fu has failed me on this day and I will hang my head in shame as I go back to lurking on the boards instead!

I am asking this as I intended to play a Buccaneer and the GM of the game is using the 3d6 roll method (ironically, not a fan of rolling dice for character creation when this is a game that involves a whole lot of dice rolling...), I thought to myself that the Buccaneer might be an interesting choice, firstly because it is a Skulls & Shackles game and secondly as I like characters to have a decent Int & Cha score regardless of the class I'm playing.

Now, the Buccaneer's grit, as written, states that the Buccaneer gets to use his Charisma to determine "the number of grit points" that it gets at the beginning of each day. But it doesn't say anything about the Buccaneer getting to use Charisma instead of Wisdom to determine the maximum amount of Grit points. It says that the ability "works in all other ways like the gunslinger's grit class feature".

Is this a matter of intention, or a mistake? Not that I intend to dump the score anyway, unless I get awful dice results, but if I had a 10 Wisdom and a 16 Charisma (for example) I'd still only get 1 Grit to use at the beginning of the day.

It seems that this isn't the intended result but I wouldn't want to infer something that isn't true. It would otherwise make a Gunslinger go from Wisdom and Dexterity dependent (at the very basics, Wisdom for Grit and Dexterity for Ranged Attacks) to Wisdom, Dexterity, Charisma and, arguably, Constitution (Wisdom for Maximum Grit, Dexterity for Ranged Attacks, Charisma for Daily Grit and Constitution for Grog Points).

So, intended or not? A case of Read as Written, or Read as Intended? Again, if this had already been covered I apologise, I simply couldn't find it! I would love a link to an answer if it's out there!


Its worded a little funny but I believe the intention is just take the word wisdom whenever it pops up in the grit heading and replace it with charisma.


Kadrion wrote:
Its worded a little funny but I believe the intention is just take the word wisdom whenever it pops up in the grit heading and replace it with charisma.

That's my thought too, I just wondered if it was answered elsewhere or by anyone on the boards as an actual yes or no to be honest. The GM I'm playing with is very Read As Written and with that in mind he's very unlikely to allow it to be interpreted as other than it says.

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