In 1952, he was convicted of being a homosexual and sentenced to chemical
castration by hormone injection, leading to his suicide a few years later.
The Queen just officially pardoned Turing for his non-crime.
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So, hooray for Turing... but what about all the other UK citizens convicted for the same unjust charges? When do they get justice? When does their unjust convictions become too much of a public embarrassment to Queen and Country?
So, hooray for Turing... but what about all the other UK citizens convicted for the same unjust charges? When do they get justice? When does their unjust convictions become too much of a public embarrassment to Queen and Country?
I don't know. How can we find out?
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F@+! Her Majestry and f!!@ this.
Being pardoned for a bullshiznit crime 60 after you've been driven to suicide ain't any kind of justice.
Tookem long enough.
And, ironically Britain invented & owned computer science, and all its "computational
wonder," but failed to keep it and develop it just because they
thought it was gay. Now look at them... useless.
Kind of like how Xerox invented the mouse for computer-input, but top
executives thought it would never be useful.
"It" didn't just slip through their fingers, they intentionally dropped it.
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Anyone else fail to see the point of pardoning someone 60 years after they're dead?
So, hooray for Turing... but what about all the other UK citizens convicted for the same unjust charges? When do they get justice? When does their unjust convictions become too much of a public embarrassment to Queen and Country?
IIRC GLBT folks were considered mentally ill or defective the which reminds me of this and so many other human rights violations committed in the name of mental health and the people.
[Trading under the name of the Ghost of Oscar Wilde]
They asked me if I wanted a pardon and I said, "Dearie, if I were the Queen of England, I certainly wouldn't pardon any of them."
Oh, excuse me...
[Seduces passing ghost of young Britishiznoid aristocrat]
He was in Cryptoanlysis, the british secret service was going to destroy him sooner or later.
He was in Cryptoanlysis, the british secret service was going to destroy him sooner or later.
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Is this a sekrit code?
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He was in Cryptoanlysis, the british secret service was going to destroy him sooner or later..
Is this a sekrit code?
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No. Not by a long shot. Alan Turing was big in cryptoanalysis during World War 2. His academic in the 40s and intellectal achievements in the 50s made him the Father of Artificial Intelligence. But being a code writer and a code breaker pretty much scrutinized his private life.
No. Not by a long shot. Alan Turing was big in cryptoanalysis during World War 2. His academic in the 40s and intellectal achievements in the 50s made him the Father of Artificial Intelligence. But being a code writer and a code breaker pretty much scrutinized his private life.He was in Cryptoanlysis, the british secret service was going to destroy him sooner or later.Is this a sekrit code?
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hmm... but why would they destroy him eventually? Seems like he should
have been treated nicely and as an unsung hero?.
hmm... but why would they destroy him eventually?They don't leave top secret information lying around.
Of course "they" don't leave loose sheets of paper, and laptops with
files on them lying around to be swept up by casual surveillance. Butthat's not what is being implied here.
The implication is murder.
So, it seems some of you are saying the British secret service knew
Turing was gay, and filed this knowledge away for future use. And
after "they" decided his work was done, and he now needed to be
"deleted", a campaign was launched to destroy him.
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You think no one has ever been killed to keep them quiet?
You think no one has ever been killed to keep them quiet?
No. (Or is it Yes.) Of course humans kill other humans;
some of us love war and killing the enemy.But you are casting a wide net to obfuscate that charge (above) the
British secret service guys would have eventually "deleted" Turing
whether he was gay or not.
I think this all points to their ignorance -- They Had The Father Of AI
working for them, and they literally gave that advantage away.
"Uuugh. Icky gay man invented computer science, so it must be bad."
So much for god save the queen.
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My favorite Gay Britishiznoid Intelligence Agents
Did the Queen pardon Sir Anthony Blunt?
> They < made a movie about him.
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Fergurg: Everybody has a sexuality. Everyone indulges it. Conscientious people may not do so if their sexuality is directed to those who could not consent, but two people who want to share their sexuality and are able to consent, no. There is no choice, and people WILL indulge. That some moron set rules for what others did in bed is a deeply black mark on the rule-setters, not the victims of their inane policies.
And please, do not refer to homosexual sex as a drug again.
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So because Turing was a patriot and worked to defend his country during the War and afterward, he's not entitled to love a significant other, while his compatriots are? I know it's the UK, but he's not entitled to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and protection from unjust and immoral laws?
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Fergurg: Everybody has a sexuality. Everyone indulges it. Conscientious people may not do so if their sexuality is directed to those who could not consent, but two people who want to share their sexuality and are able to consent, no. There is no choice, and people WILL indulge. That some moron set rules for what others did in bed is a deeply black mark on the rule-setters, not the victims of their inane policies.
And please, do not refer to homosexual sex as a drug again.
This too.
This reminds me of the Catholic Church pardoning Galileo.
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So because Turing was a patriot and worked to defend his country during the War and afterward, he's not entitled to love a significant other, while his compatriots are? I know it's the UK, but he's not entitled to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and protection from unjust and immoral laws?
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This too.Fergurg: Everybody has a sexuality. Everyone indulges it. Conscientious people may not do so if their sexuality is directed to those who could not consent, but two people who want to share their sexuality and are able to consent, no. There is no choice, and people WILL indulge. That some moron set rules for what others did in bed is a deeply black mark on the rule-setters, not the victims of their inane policies.
And please, do not refer to homosexual sex as a drug again.
I agree completely with both of you. And I'd add that sexuality is largely biologically determined; it's not a matter of having an addictive personality or other personal lifestyle choice. Slightly off topic, I know, but personally, [begin/polemic] I regard people who are transgender to be the victims of a horrendous biological injustice - a male person who is born in a female body, and vice versa. If a person needs to change his/her body to reflect his/her actual identity, then I will - and, actually, I have - cheer(ed) him/her on. [/end/polemic]
No. Not by a long shot. Alan Turing was big in cryptoanalysis during World War 2. His academic in the 40s and intellectal achievements in the 50s made him the Father of Artificial Intelligence. But being a code writer and a code breaker pretty much scrutinized his private life.
Actually, GCHQ had known for more than a decade that he was gay,... And didn't care.
This wasn't a conspiracy, just a gung-ho local cop and a set of stupid laws. Once Alan was charged GCHQ couldn't really order the local magistrate to look the other way, esp. with the political situation across the Atlantic. Shielding Turing would have jeopardized relations with Hoover, who was basically running US security policy.