Need Opinions - the Blackros Scenarios as a linked theme series


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Grand Lodge 1/5

So as I read it the Blackros themed scenarios are as follows and in this order...

S0 -Mists of Mwangi
S1 -Voices in the Void
S2 -The Penumbral Accords (haven't played yet so spoiler light please)
S3 -Echoes of the Overwatched
S4 - The Blackros Matrimony (haven't played yet so spoiler light please)

Let me know if I have missed anything.

I haven't bought the ones I haven't played yet but am thinking of running a weekend of PFS for friends (who will soon have shiny level 2 characters) and think this may be a good theme to have linked scenarios leaving them as pissed at the Blackros' clan as I am (those bastards have put one of my characters through hell and back).

Have I missed anything, and is there a preferred order of play? For instance I figure that the PA can be moved after EotO which should then lead into BM.

Interested in your thoughts.

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There are a couple of others... some are more peripheral than others...

But, for sure, Hellknight's Feast is a Blakros one (hosted by Damien Blakros).
Day of the Demon has tie in to the Blakros Matrimony and others.
Storming the Diamond Gate also has tie in to this story line.

More peripherally, would also be The Disappeared and Fortress of the Nail (they deal with some of the NPCs in Blakros Matrimony, but not directly with the Blakros family, and come into the store before Day of the Demon (which deals with some more of this).

All a tangled web of stuff!

Grand Lodge 1/5

Nice. Any other suggestions or thoughts ?

Grand Lodge 4/5

Keep an eye on the level ranges, I think some of them may be 3-7 or 5-9.

Grand Lodge 1/5

Matrimony I think is 3. The rest are 1-2 / 4-5 etc

I won't push on to the indirect modules which until I hear otherwise, the HellKnight feast is. I could be totally wrong as I haven't played it. I think the Tier is a little high as well.

Any ideas on my bumping around the order?

Grand Lodge 4/5

Penumbral Accords should run before The Blakros Matrimony, which is before Day of the Demon and The Hellknight's Feast, for reasons you can probably figure out from the blurbs. I wouldn't expect extreme difficulties if you rearrange these, just some lost opportunity for players to see a consistent storyline.

The other three are not strongly tied to a chronological order or each other. edit: I think they could run in any order, with some advantage to running at least one of them before Penumbral Accords and/or Blakros Matrimony.

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I'd suggest running Mists of Mwangi first, because in that scenario, the characters are told the Blakroses don't want to cooperate much with the Pathfinders, which is then changed by the PCs' actions.

Then, run Voice in the Void, The Penumbral Accords, and Echoes of the Overwatched in any order. (They don't refer to each other, so it's just 3 seperate events at the museum.)

Then, you can run The Blakros Matrimony. Since your characters are already level 2 before you start the Blakros arc, they'll be level 3 when Blakros Matrimony comes up.
The Blakros Matrimony can be followed by Day of the Demon (But unless it has been released for Season 5 by then, you'll have to ask your VO to run it), which is thematically linked directly to what happens in The Blakros Matrimony.

After that, you'll need to play a few non-related scenarios, maybe Season 4, because the characters will be somewhere around Varisia anyway.
Another option would be to play a few non-related scenarios between The Blakros Matrimony and Day of the Demon, then you can go straight to Season 5 afterwards. (And it's good to give the Blakroses some time until they get back to the characters for help.)

You should run enough scenarios so your characters are level 5 after completing Day of the Demon, which will allow them to go directly to The Hellknight's Feast, where they'll meet old friends and find new ones ;)

Silbeg wrote:
Storming the Diamond Gate also has tie in to this story line.

No, Storming the Diamond Gate is from the Tapestry storyline, which is a completely different matter.

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Silbeg wrote:
Storming the Diamond Gate also has tie in to this story line.
Andreas Forster wrote:
No, Storming the Diamond Gate is from the Tapestry storyline, which is a completely different matter.

I think what he means is that events in Storming the Diamond Gate are referenced in the Blakros matrimony. They don't have to be, but the opening is there if your players have done Storming the Diamond Gate. (Made for a great introduction for my character: "Hey, are you related to that guy I killed last year? Well, he killed my husband first, so we should be even, right?")

Grand Lodge 5/5

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Major spoilers for Storming the Diamond Gate and various season 4 scenarios which are tied to it:

In Storming the Diamond Gate, the bad guy at the end is of seeming little importance. The Taldor faction mission is to plant something on the guy's corpse which will make the Chelaxians mad. At the time, it seems slightly amusing.
Later, enough is revealed through scenarios to see that the dead guy from Storming is the brother of Tacred Desimire (who is an npc in Blakros Matrimony), and the thing that was planted on the body by the Taldans is the cause of Tancred's hated of the Paracountess, setting off the entire Desmire plot line that went through Season 4.

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Same topic as Seth's post:
Seth Gipson wrote:

In Storming the Diamond Gate, the bad guy at the end is of seeming little importance. The Taldor faction mission is to plant something on the guy's corpse which will make the Chelaxians mad. At the time, it seems slightly amusing.

Later, enough is revealed through scenarios to see that the dead guy from Storming is the brother of Tacred Desimire (who is an npc in Blakros Matrimony), and the thing that was planted on the body by the Taldans is the cause of Tancred's hated of the Paracountess, setting off the entire Desmire plot line that went through Season 4.

Ah, that makes sense.

I did notice I remembered the name Desimire when I played Storming the Diamond Gate, and checked the name in The Disappeared (which I had still lying around as a print-out).
I didn't however remember that Tancred also showed up in The Blakros Matrimony, mostly because A. my character didn't talk to him, and B. I hadn't played The Disappeared or Storming the Diamond Gate then, so I didn't recognize the name as being familiar.

Anyway, this doesn't have anything to do with the actual Blakros storyline. It is a rather nice link to the interesting Dralneen storyline from Season 4, though.

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All this discussion got me thinking. I am going to be playing Fortress of the Nail tonight, and was going to use my Conjurer. However, my rogue has played Mists, Penumbral Accords, The Disappeared, Day of the Demon, Hellknight's Feast, and has GM credit for The Blakros Matrimony.

Just seems "right" to play him in Fortress (even though he's at level 7, and will be playing down).

Grand Lodge 1/5

Seth Gipson wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Interesting, so in what order would you slot those scenarios in with the above.

Scarab Sages 5/5

Silbeg wrote:

All this discussion got me thinking. I am going to be playing Fortress of the Nail tonight, and was going to use my Conjurer. However, my rogue has played Mists, Penumbral Accords, The Disappeared, Day of the Demon, Hellknight's Feast, and has GM credit for The Blakros Matrimony.

Just seems "right" to play him in Fortress (even though he's at level 7, and will be playing down).

I am not discouraging you from playing the lower level character, I'm just informing you that Fortress is not a scenario you want to play down in.

I realize this post is a little late so i hope all went well.

Scarab Sages 5/5

Helaman wrote:
Seth Gipson wrote:
** spoiler omitted **
Interesting, so in what order would you slot those scenarios in with the above.

Mists of Mwangi 1-5

Voice in the Void 1-7
Penumbral Accords 1-5
Echoes of the Overwatched 1-5
Storming the Diamond Gate 3-7
Blakros Matrimony 3-7
The Disappeared 1-5
Fortress of the Nail 5-9
Day of the Demon 3-7
Hellknight's Feast 5-9

Tancred Desimire:
#05-09 The Traitor's Lodge (3-7) also has a tie into the Tancred Desimire Arc. It should be played after Hellknight's Feast.

Grand Lodge 1/5

Big Thanks everyone. Appreciated.

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Kristen Gipson wrote:
Helaman wrote:
Seth Gipson wrote:
** spoiler omitted **
Interesting, so in what order would you slot those scenarios in with the above.

Mists of Mwangi 1-5

Voice in the Void 1-7
Penumbral Accords 1-5
Echoes of the Overwatched 1-5
Storming the Diamond Gate 3-7
Blakros Matrimony 3-7
The Disappeared 1-5
Fortress of the Nail 5-9
Day of the Demon 3-7
Hellknight's Feast 5-9

** spoiler omitted **

What? Another? Guess my rogue will need to play that as well... and it has to be his next scenario, since he's at 7.2 now, I think.

Grand Lodge 1/5

Well thanks to Paizo's 12thMan sale I bought most of these.

Blackros Scenario Flow

Get players to level 2 (Already in progress... 1st steps, confirmation and infernal vault)

Level 2

Mists of Mwangi 1-5
Silent Tide 1-5 (Simply because I own it and its also set in Absolom)
Echoes of the Overwatched 1-5 *Out of order but this is played here because a) it fits better tier wise for me and b) Voices ties into a direct family member which makes a better lead into Penumbral)

Level 3

Voice in the Void 1-7
Penumbral Accords 1-5
Song of the Sea Witch 3-7 (I needed a filler that I already own and hey, it has a NPC from Silent Tide)

Level 4
Blakros Matrimony 3-7
Non related Scenario (need a filler but don't really have an idea. I own a few other scenarios but open to ideas)
Day of the Demon 3-7 (not out yet) *Will have to buy it later :(

Level 5
Hellknight's Feast 5-9
The Disappeared 1-5
Fortress of the Nail 5-9

*** Not sure where I will fit this.

#05-09 The Traitor's Lodge (3-7) also has a tie into the Tancred Desimire Arc. It should be played after Hellknight's Feast make it a bit distinct and can give the players some political motivation as she was helping the society with the war - or it will be when I am finished)

Scarab Sages 2/5

Helaman wrote:


#05-09 The Traitor's Lodge (3-7) also has a tie into the Tancred Desimire Arc. It should be played after Hellknight's Feast make it a bit distinct and can give the players some political motivation as she was helping the society with the war - or it will be when I am finished)

I've recently played 3-14: Wonders in the Weave—Part II: Snakes in the Fold and it has a little relation with the Desmirne Arc. It's just a mention to his brother

Shadow Lodge 2/5

Just FYI S06-02 The Silver Mount Collection (3-7) deals with the Blackros Museum.

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And, just FYI, I'd avoid it, as it's unnecessarily lethal. Seriously, my local group has yet to crack it.

Silver Crusade 2/5

Andrew Shumate wrote:
And, just FYI, I'd avoid it, as it's unnecessarily lethal. Seriously, my local group has yet to crack it.

We almost got toasted in the first encounter, but then we found another way. It is doable.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Andrew Shumate wrote:
And, just FYI, I'd avoid it, as it's unnecessarily lethal. Seriously, my local group has yet to crack it.

I disagree, while the opening fight is certainly rough it is not insurmountable. Once they get past that, the rest of the scenario is not nearly as murderful.

The final fight can be a bit awkward if the PC's haven't gone through PFS 101, but most of the people in my area have learned the hard way that they need to be able to deal with certain types of enemies. When I played through this and when I GM'd it party members found creative ways to deal with the final enemy.

As a side note, I don't think "This is a dangerous/lethal scenario" is a good reason to avoid a scenario. "This is a dangerous/lethal scenario" is a good reason to be prepared going into a scenario.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

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6th season problem solving basics: Can't crack it? Grapple it!

Shadow Lodge 2/5

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not necessarily in the order they should be played but here is my progression for my Blackros character.

XP - (Title) (Lvl Range) (Scenario Number)

13 - Mists of the Mwangi 1-5 S00-05
14 - The Disappeared 1-5 S04-11
15 - Voice in the Void 1-7 S01-35
16 - Blakros Matrimony 3-7 S04-09
17 - Day of the Demon 3-7 S05-14
18 - The Silver Mount Collection 3-7 S06-02
19 - Storming the Diamond Gate 3-7 S03-25
20 - Fortress of the Nail 5-9 S04-13
21 - Hellknight's Feast 5-9 S05-03
22 - The Blakros Connection 5-9 S07–09
23 - Cairn of Shadows 5-9 S05-23 (this is here because the Character is from Cheliax)

Not sure if I caught them all still looking to make sure.

Hope this helps others

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