Draconic life spans


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So although dragons are huge, powerful, and extremely long lived, in PF they are still mortal. Does anyone know of an upper age limit of a dragon? Has one ever been given? I know I can just make one up but I was curious if there was an "official stance".


IIRC they gave live expectancies for true dragons in the Dragonomicon. I'm AFB right now and don't remember what they actually were, though. That's the only setting-neutral source for dragon lifespans I know of.


137ben wrote:
IIRC they gave live expectancies for true dragons in the Dragonomicon. I'm AFB right now and don't remember what they actually were, though. That's the only setting-neutral source for dragon lifespans I know of.

Cool I'll have to see if I can track that down.


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Draconomicon gave the following age expectancies:
Wyrmling : 0-5 Years
Very Young : 6-15 Years
Young : 16-25 Years
Juvenile : 26-50 Years
Young Adult : 51-100 Years
Adult : 101-200 Years
Mature Adult : 201-400 Years
Old : 401-600 Years
Very Old : 601-800 Years
Ancient : 801-1000 Years
Wyrm : 1001-1200 Years
Great Wyrm : 1201+ Years

It then went on to say that the exact amount of years a dragon could live after reaching Great Wyrm stage was a matter of debate among scholars, with some even contending that dragons could live forever. However, it also stated that a pair of reputable scholars had found that white dragons could live up to 2100 years, while gold dragons could live up to 4400 years.

Those latter findings matches the life expectancy rules printed in one of the book's sidebars: For a chromatic dragon, multiply its Charisma score by 50 and add it to 1200. For a metallic dragon, multiply its Charisma score by 100 and add it to 1200.

Then, after reaching the computed maximum age, the dragon would have to make a DC 20 CON check. If it fails, it dies. If it succeeds, it loses 1 CON. The check is afterwards performed each year.


Are wrote:


Those latter findings matches the life expectancy rules printed in one of the book's sidebars: For a chromatic dragon, multiply its Charisma score by 50 and add it to 1200...

Unless it's a Red Dragon, because they're more badass than all the other chromatics combined.


Are wrote:
Then, after reaching the computed maximum age, the dragon would have to make a DC 20 CON check. If it fails, it dies. If it succeeds, it loses 1 CON. The check is afterwards performed each year.

So a Gold Dragon just needs +19 on its Con checks and it lives forever. Or +10 and the ability to take 10. Hmm, starting at 29 con, +5 inherent, +6 magic, that gives 40 con or a +15 check. Just need to get +4 more.

Pale Green Prism, and Flawed Pale Green Prism give +1 Competence and +1 morale. Stone of Good Luck gives +1 luck.

Hmm, well, there's that cheesy trait for the last +1. I am sure there are other methods.


Drachasor wrote:
Are wrote:
Then, after reaching the computed maximum age, the dragon would have to make a DC 20 CON check. If it fails, it dies. If it succeeds, it loses 1 CON. The check is afterwards performed each year.

So a Gold Dragon just needs +19 on its Con checks and it lives forever. Or +10 and the ability to take 10. Hmm, starting at 29 con, +5 inherent, +6 magic, that gives 40 con or a +15 check. Just need to get +4 more.

Pale Green Prism, and Flawed Pale Green Prism give +1 Competence and +1 morale. Stone of Good Luck gives +1 luck.

Hmm, well, there's that cheesy trait for the last +1. I am sure there are other methods.

Read it again. If you succeed you lose a point of CON. Your time is up.


Scavion wrote:
Drachasor wrote:
Are wrote:
Then, after reaching the computed maximum age, the dragon would have to make a DC 20 CON check. If it fails, it dies. If it succeeds, it loses 1 CON. The check is afterwards performed each year.

So a Gold Dragon just needs +19 on its Con checks and it lives forever. Or +10 and the ability to take 10. Hmm, starting at 29 con, +5 inherent, +6 magic, that gives 40 con or a +15 check. Just need to get +4 more.

Pale Green Prism, and Flawed Pale Green Prism give +1 Competence and +1 morale. Stone of Good Luck gives +1 luck.

Hmm, well, there's that cheesy trait for the last +1. I am sure there are other methods.

Read it again. If you succeed you lose a point of CON. Your time is up.

Oops. Oh well, I guess the Dragon will just have to use one of the many other immortality methods. Too bad.


Drachasor wrote:
Scavion wrote:
Drachasor wrote:
Are wrote:
Then, after reaching the computed maximum age, the dragon would have to make a DC 20 CON check. If it fails, it dies. If it succeeds, it loses 1 CON. The check is afterwards performed each year.

So a Gold Dragon just needs +19 on its Con checks and it lives forever. Or +10 and the ability to take 10. Hmm, starting at 29 con, +5 inherent, +6 magic, that gives 40 con or a +15 check. Just need to get +4 more.

Pale Green Prism, and Flawed Pale Green Prism give +1 Competence and +1 morale. Stone of Good Luck gives +1 luck.

Hmm, well, there's that cheesy trait for the last +1. I am sure there are other methods.

Read it again. If you succeed you lose a point of CON. Your time is up.
Oops. Oh well, I guess the Dragon will just have to use one of the many other immortality methods. Too bad.

I know right? Hehe. I have had 4000 years to think about how I'd prolong my life. It involves becoming a Ravener. Mwahahaha.


Entirely a matter of campaign setting/flavor/DM choice.


Scavion wrote:


I know right? Hehe. I have had 4000 years to think about how I'd prolong my life. It involves becoming a Ravener. Mwahahaha.

I'd never heard of that template before but that is f$@%ing terrifying.

"Oh, that dragon not buff enough for you? Let's triple it's HP and make it bestow a Negative Level with each one of its 6 attacks. And boost its caster level and casting stat. And beef up its breath weapon a tad while they're at it, and give them a potential 17-20 crit range on that already monstrous bite. Have fun with that."


It would make sense to have some limit to their lifespans. This way you have a reasonable incentive for dragons to agree to become a Dracolitch.


Democratus wrote:
It would make sense to have some limit to their lifespans. This way you have a reasonable incentive for dragons to agree to become a Dracolitch.

No, they just do that because the cool kids are doing it.


Are wrote:
Then, after reaching the computed maximum age, the dragon would have to make a DC 20 CON check. If it fails, it dies. If it succeeds, it loses 1 CON. The check is afterwards performed each year.

Once the dragon starts making these checks it has entered it's "twilight".

Some dragons would choose pass on by their own methods once they reached their twilight, such as swallowing their hoard and sleeping until they turned into a mountain.


Heh its gotta be annoying, a 1000+ year old dragon that gets killed by 20-30 year olds :)


Democratus wrote:
It would make sense to have some limit to their lifespans. This way you have a reasonable incentive for dragons to agree to become a Dracolitch.

But, but what's the incentive for liches to become demiliches?:)


137ben wrote:
Democratus wrote:
It would make sense to have some limit to their lifespans. This way you have a reasonable incentive for dragons to agree to become a Dracolitch.
But, but what's the incentive for liches to become demiliches?:)

There's no incentive. Liches become demiliches by their own apathy and decay, not because they want to :)

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It would make for a good story with a Good dragon passing into it's twilight years with only a little time left and needing some grand task done that it was the keeper of....Something the guardian of a gate that holds back some alien life form that could seriously screw up life on the planet if X,Y,Z isn't done...or he holds the knowledge to unlock the Thingy of Dosomethingcool and knows where it is at but wants an honorable death from the party in return for the knowledge. It could be interesting to use the extreme age in some way like that.

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